MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

[proudofLU]

Might be time for you guys to start talking about Waffle House again.   Unless you are a bunch of lawyers.

If Tharp goes to IWU that will be a sad day in Appleton.  The Fox River might start flowing south.

[Gregory Sager]

I think it would be great Board fodder if he stayed. Although (and I haven't seen him play, so don't take this too seriously), but what if he gets cut by the new coach? Can he transfer then?

The rule says "participated in another sport". If a player gets cut before the season starts, then he won't be participating in that sport.

Right, but then his participation still counts by the letter of the rule, because its done by the withdrawal date.  Theoretically, a player could play the fall semester games his freshman year at Millikin, not play another game for a year and a half, transfer to IWU after two years and still have to sit out a year before he can play again.  Am I reading that wrong?

No, because that's exactly what the rule says. The calendar year of ineligibility isn't measured from when the player ceased to play basketball for that school (if, indeed, he ever did). It's measured from the student's withdrawal date from his first CCIW school.

Might be time for you guys to start talking about Waffle House again. Unless you are a bunch of lawyers.

No lawyers needed here. The rule is pretty cut-and-dried.

If Tharp goes to IWU that will be a sad day in Appleton. The Fox River might start flowing south.

There's also a Fox River in Illinois, POLU, and it does flow south. In fact, it cuts right through Illinois Wesleyan's prime recruiting territory (and most other CCIW schools' prime recruiting territory, for that matter).

[matblake]

Might be time for you guys to start talking about Waffle House again.   Unless you are a bunch of lawyers.

Wasn't the Great Waffle House Debate of 2006 on the MWC Board?   

[matblake]

Although from last year, here is an interesting article on applicants to schools being put on waiting lists.  The article infers more students are applying to more colleges.  Hence more applications.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/education/2005-05-03-waitlist_x.htm

[The Roop]

The transfer rule started prior to the NCAA axing non-medical redshirting at the DIII level. I bet it would be modified to allow a transfer these days. Only other option would be to just stay out of school for a year. And that kinda goes against the DIII philosophy doesn't it ?

[devildog29]

Agreed April.  I thought I was anal retentive until I started reading this board.  Makes my Marine Corps days seem right brained.  By the way, I don't think I even know what 'espousing' means, but I thought it sounded fancy there.  Gotta show off that pretentious IWU education.

[titan2000]

Might be time for you guys to start talking about Waffle House again.   Unless you are a bunch of lawyers.

Wasn't the Great Waffle House Debate of 2006 on the MWC Board?   

Yes it was.  The levity on the MWC board exceeds this board substantially. 

[Mr. Ypsi]

Might be time for you guys to start talking about Waffle House again.   Unless you are a bunch of lawyers.

Wasn't the Great Waffle House Debate of 2006 on the MWC Board?   

Yes it was.  The levity on the MWC board exceeds this board substantially. 

As a participant in the Great Waffle House Debate, I'll say you've never been around when a Cubs v. Cardinals (not to mention White Sox, Tigers, Twins, and Royals) debate breaks out!

But when it REALLY goes off-topic, I'll take the levity of this board over any other (plus this board's levity includes Spinoza, Euripides, et.al.)!

Just in case there hasn't been a previous reference to Euripides:

Greek tailor: Euripides?
Greek customer: Yes, Eumenides?

[advoice]

Is Raridon's son on a tuition waiver at North Central? I don't know that he is for sure, but I imagine as a sibling of a NC employee that he is...Will he/would he have the same tuition waiver at IWU?

I believe that the normal process for these sibling waivers is that the employee would have to have worked at the institution for a minimum amount of time before being eligible for the waiver.

If his son does have to sit a year, does he lose that year of eligibility also?

I have no inside info on it Raridon getting the IWU job other than the two people (coaches) who contacted me telling me that they are preparing resume's for North Central because it is going to open by the end of the week.

[Greek Tragedy]

Keep in mind that I saw the terrific Stevens Point teams of the past 3 years......they were good...IWU had more talent this year. 

I won't argue with that.

Well, maybe.... but I hope you're not also suggesting that IWU was the better team as well. When Jason Kalsow and Nich Bennett left and Coach Bennett retired I literally mourned the loss of what will probably be the best team in basketball for a long, long time.

I was agreeing that IWU had more talent this year than Point did during their two championship runs.  Point had the better team. There were times during the Lawrence game, when IWU was down, that I saw Titan players just kind of standing around, hoping Dauksas, Freeman or K.A. (I won't embarrass myself by trying to spell his last name and I'm too lazy to look it up) to "take over the game".  Though Kalsow and Bennett had the ability to do so, players on the Pointers rarely stood around and hoped that Jason and Nick could bail them out.  Kalsow had the talent to take players on one-on-one, but Bennett did not.  But, you give Bennett the ball off a screen, he'll hit the shot.

IWU is probably one of the most talented teams I've seen.  In the WIAC, I think Stout has a lot of talent, but their downfall is that they don't always play like a team.  In the sectional, I think Lawrence had the better team.

[Gregory Sager]

The transfer rule started prior to the NCAA axing non-medical redshirting at the DIII level. I bet it would be modified to allow a transfer these days. Only other option would be to just stay out of school for a year. And that kinda goes against the DIII philosophy doesn't it ?

The transfer rule isn't an NCAA rule. It's a CCIW rule, and it applies only on an in-house basis; in other words, a student-athlete only has to sit out a year when he or she transfers from one CCIW school to another.

In other words, it's a self-imposed sanction on the part of the CCIW, just as your MWC has self-imposed sanctions of its own concerning off-campus recruiting and length of schedule.

I like the rule. In my opinion it's an instrument of peace within the CCIW community. The quickest way to destroy league harmony is if one school accuses another school of poaching players. Over the years it has certainly helped keep the number of student-athletes who transfer from one CCIW school to another at a very low level.

Dennis can probably name more, but I can think of only three men's basketball players who transferred from one CCIW school to another: Grant Grastorf and Terry Egan, who both transferred from North Central to North Park (and picked up national championship rings as a result), and Tim Windt, a JV player at North Park who transferred to Elmhurst and became a starter there back when the Bluejays were one of the league's doormats. These three examples are all more than twenty years old.

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

Is Raridon's son on a tuition waiver at North Central? I don't know that he is for sure, but I imagine as a sibling of a NC employee that he is...Will he/would he have the same tuition waiver at IWU?

advoice,

I assume you meant family, not sibling as obviously Rairdon's son is not his sibling (hopefully).

K.A. (I won't embarrass myself by trying to spell his last name and I'm too lazy to look it up) to "take over the game".

We all struggled with that, which is why I went with "Keelan" most of the time.  Sadly, we won't have to worry about it much anymore.

[Gregory Sager]

The CCIW transfer rule could quite rightly be called the "Grastorf Rule".  Grastorf was a promising freshman starter for the Cardinals who transferred to North Park after that year and was a three-year starter on two NCAA championship teams and a senior team that went to the NCAA tournament.

If Grant Grastorf was the catalyst for the CCIW's adding the transfer rule to the league bylaws, then there was a definite delay involved. Grastorf was a member of the class of '81; Windt was a member of the class of '84, and Egan was a member of the class of '85.

[emeritusprof]

Tuition waivers are institutional as well as cooperative.  At Carthage, for example, full time faculty qualify for tuition remission upon employment.  And, there is a cooperative arrangement whereby tuition is waived to the extent of Carthage tuition at member institutions.  The cooperative arrangement gets complicated, as there are trade-off concerns and a kind of balance sheet as to numbers of students in and out under the waiver program.

Obviously, these are arrangements outside the conference and NCAA.

[joehakes]

Re-hiring Prikkel year after year = Anal retentive