MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

[joehakes]

Friends,

Let's drop this conversation now.  And if anyone is just routinely giving negative karma points to anyone, let's not do that either.  I know some of you well, and I have gotten to know some of you on this board.  Hoops Fan is a CCC graduate that has admitted disliking me when he was a student and that's fine.

But this is not why this website was created and it frankly drives people away in the summer.  No one should take Karma points for more than what they are, but no one here is in junior high and shouldn't act like it.

As I have said before Greg and Dennis bleed NPU blue and gold more than any two people I know, they just disagree on how to get back to the Glory Days.  Disagreement is what makes the board (especially the CCIW) go, but personal attacks have never led to anything positive.

Get back to basketball or the Cubs, or something else.  Let's not repeat mistakes we've made in the past.

Thanks, friends.

[emeritusprof]

And speaking of the Cubs, miserable as they are, they again put my beloved Cards to the test.

How can the Cubs be so bad, so often, but still play the Cards competitively?

[Knightstalker]

How could Tampa Bay be so bad yet be so tough on the Yankees last season?  This is like trying to find out how many licks it takes to get to the center of a tootsie pop, the world may never know.

[Cardsfan4life]

I would watch out for the 2009 class that North Central College will be bringing in. They have a very talented guard out of Lousiville named Nick Lutes who is a 6' 4" point guard and is only 15. He played on the varsity team at St. Xavier. The other one they are bringing in is coach Todd Raridon's nephew out of lincoln Nebraska. He is too a 6' 4" wing player that is a very talented shooter. Everybody watch out for the Cardinals in the next few years.

[dansand]

I would watch out for the 2009 class that North Central College will be bringing in. They have a very talented guard out of Lousiville named Nick Lutes who is a 6' 4" point guard and is only 15. He played on the varsity team at St. Xavier. The other one they are bringing in is coach Todd Raridon's nephew out of lincoln Nebraska. He is too a 6' 4" wing player that is a very talented shooter. Everybody watch out for the Cardinals in the next few years.

[emeritusprof]

Knightstalker --
With the Cubs and Cardinals it isn't just a single season, a couple seasons, or when Jenkins and Gibson faced each other--it's an ongoing phenom.

Cubs consistently fall far short and "wait 'til next year," while the Cards are consistent contenders (old term was 'first division'), yet the two teams have played essentially even over the years.  Thru the entire rivaly the Cubs have won more than the Cards, even tho the Cards have the overall league record superiority.

[titan2000]

Nepotism at NCC.  wonder if these 15 year olds have taken their ACT test yet?

Seems that must just be a formality at such an academic showplace like NCC.

[Knightstalker]

Knightstalker --
With the Cubs and Cardinals it isn't just a single season, a couple seasons, or when Jenkins and Gibson faced each other--it's an ongoing phenom.

Cubs consistently fall far short and "wait 'til next year," while the Cards are consistent contenders (old term was 'first division'), yet the two teams have played essentially even over the years.  Thru the entire rivaly the Cubs have won more than the Cards, even tho the Cards have the overall league record superiority.

Then you just have to look at the American League version, Yankees Red Sox.  Even when one team is really bad they are a thorn in the side to the the other team.  The Cubs biggest problem is they need to open the wallets a little more and perhaps make some wiser personell decisions.

On another note, I just watched the end of the Yankees Orioles game on the yankees encore presentation and due to a shortage of arms Chien Ming Wang had to pitch the tenth for the save.  They showed replays of his pitches to Tejeda using the centerfield camera shot and his sinking fastball had a nasty almost corkscrew motion to it, it seems to tail down and away from righties and back in towards them.  It was cool to watch in slow motion.  It is only on his hard fastball though, at about 93 94 mph.  Anyone else ever see a ball move this way?

[cardinalpride]

Nepotism at NCC.  wonder if these 15 year olds have taken their ACT test yet?

Seems that must just be a formality at such an academic showplace like NCC.

It's good to know NCC is such a special place that even the very young are quite interested!   

[titan2000]

Maybe those young NCC recruits  are brainwashed.

[cardinalpride]

Maybe those young NCC recruits  are brainwashed.

I'd rather have them brainwashed than brainless. 

[dansand]

Seeing as I'm the curious sort, I decided to look into it. No sign of a Nick Lutes on the St. Xavier roster:

http://www.saintx.com/roster.asp?Sport=Basketball&Team=Varsity&ID=13&Season=Winter

[Gregory Sager]

Friends,

Let's drop this conversation now.  And if anyone is just routinely giving negative karma points to anyone, let's not do that either.  I know some of you well, and I have gotten to know some of you on this board.  Hoops Fan is a CCC graduate that has admitted disliking me when he was a student and that's fine.

But this is not why this website was created and it frankly drives people away in the summer.  No one should take Karma points for more than what they are, but no one here is in junior high and shouldn't act like it.

As I have said before Greg and Dennis bleed NPU blue and gold more than any two people I know, they just disagree on how to get back to the Glory Days.  Disagreement is what makes the board (especially the CCIW) go, but personal attacks have never led to anything positive.

Get back to basketball or the Cubs, or something else.  Let's not repeat mistakes we've made in the past.

Thanks, friends.

Well said, Joe. Thank you.

Then you just have to look at the American League version, Yankees Red Sox. Even when one team is really bad they are a thorn in the side to the the other team. The Cubs biggest problem is they need to open the wallets a little more and perhaps make some wiser personell decisions.

The two rivalries really aren't a good comparison in that regard. As Clayton mentioned, the Cubs own the lead in the all-time series against the Cardinals. Head-to-head through this past weekend the Cubs have won 1,124 and lost 1,062 against St. Louis since the Cards entered the National League in 1892. However, in contrast the series between the Yankees and Red Sox is fairly lopsided. Since the two teams first squared off in the nascent American League in 1901, when the Yanks were known as the Baltimore Orioles and the Red Sox were the Boston Somersets, the Bronx Bombers have enjoyed a 1,063-883 advantage over their archrivals. That's approximately a 55/45 split, which isn't very close.

The closest long-term rivalry of which I'm aware in the majors is the Cubs and Dodgers. Since 1890 only one game separates them in head-to-head play; the Dodgers have a one-game advantage over the Cubs after somewhere around 2,000 games played against each other. I guess that they're the Hope and Calvin of the National League. 

"Opening the wallets a little more" isn't really the issue for the Cubs. Their payroll is already $100m, which puts them in the top five in the majors. The issue is, as you next suggested, how they spend their payroll. Within the context of all 30 teams, the Cubs have fared very poorly most seasons in terms of value for their investments in players.

Seeing as I'm the curious sort, I deceided to look into it. No sign of a Nick Lutes on the St. Xavier roster:

http://www.saintx.com/roster.asp?Sport=Basketball&Team=Varsity&ID=13&Season=Winter

Color me skeptical that a 15-year-old kid can make it at the CCIW level. It'd perhaps be different if Lutes was a seven-foot moose who could just catch the ball down in the blocks and shoot over opposing centers, but he isn't. Developmentally, there's a world of difference between a 15-year-old boy and the 18-to-22-year-old men who play college basketball. Even if the kid's 6'4" with skills and has a high basketball IQ, I have my doubts that he's ready for this level -- especially if he plays point guard, the most mentally demanding position on the floor. If Lutes proves me wrong ... well, more power to him and to North Central.

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

Color me skeptical that a 15-year-old kid can make it at the CCIW level. It'd perhaps be different if Lutes was a seven-foot moose who could just catch the ball down in the blocks and shoot over opposing centers, but he isn't. Developmentally, there's a world of difference between a 15-year-old boy and the 18-to-22-year-old men who play college basketball. Even if the kid's 6'4" with skills and has a high basketball IQ, I have my doubts that he's ready for this level -- especially if he plays point guard, the most mentally demanding position on the floor. If Lutes proves me wrong ... well, more power to him and to North Central.

He could be Freddy Adu "15"  That might make a difference.



..and for the record.  I only expressed ill-will toward Joe Hakes because of his employer and conference rivalry.  I very much respect the quality athletic program he has developed at Gordon.  He's been a true success there.

[Gregory Sager]

Yeah, but if you were the basketball equivalent to Freddy Adu, would you be leaving high school early to play hoops for a D3 school? Or would you spend the next two years filling your mother's scrapbooks with press clippings of your high school exploits and brochures from the fifty or so top D1 programs that would be recruiting you for the purposes of using your services for a year or two until you were eligible to begin your NBA career?