MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

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So am I to believe that a backup guard on a team that went 3-24 (1-15) in the POWERFUL mid-con conference is going to be the best player in the CCIW?

For a little perspective, ask yourself if Keelan Amelianovich would have been a starter at Chicago State this year? Heck, he might have been Chicago State's best player!

I have a lot more respect for the CCIW then to believe Tolefree will light up the conference. Yes, I have seen him play by the way...I will be shocked if he is an All-CCIW player.

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http://newweb.uwp.edu/athletics/sportstemp.cfm?storyID=869

Kyle Jeffrey has transferred.

Story was also in Kenosha News this morning but was unable to find the link.

[emeritusprof]

So we've now learned the old St. Louis Browns,  with one World Series appearance (during WWII, when the Cards put them away) are part of "the fabric of major league baseball."

I've never really liked the "fabric of" cliche, but I suppose then that the Harlem Globetrotters are part of the "fabric of pro basketball."  But I can't go far with that, since the Globetrotters are at least capable of sound, competent basketball (which most of them played as Div I athletes).

There's a place for the Globetrotters in the entertainment world.  I see no place for what the Browns tried (and failed) to do with a second-rate county fair side show.

[Knightstalker]

So we've now learned the old St. Louis Browns,  with one World Series appearance (during WWII, when the Cards put them away) are part of "the fabric of major league baseball."

I've never really liked the "fabric of" cliche, but I suppose then that the Harlem Globetrotters are part of the "fabric of pro basketball."  But I can't go far with that, since the Globetrotters are at least capable of sound, competent basketball (which most of them played as Div I athletes).

There's a place for the Globetrotters in the entertainment world.  I see no place for what the Browns tried (and failed) to do with a second-rate county fair side show.

There is room in baseball for many things.  Teams like the Browns have a place in baseball.  I think too many fans now have that "old school" mindset that takes a lot of the fun from baseball, like the other day when people got upset because Lastings Milledge hi-fived the fans on the way out to the outfield after he had hit his first big league home run.  He was caught up in the moment it was nice to see him enjoying the moment.  He wasn't showing up the other team.  Just my stupid opinion.

My father saw Pete Gray play a few times during WWII and said that if he didn't have to hit and could only play the field he would be a good player.  He said the way Jim Abbott field the ball and throw it was similar, but that Gray used to flip the ball in the air, drop the glove and grab the ball and throw in one fluid motion.

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

We're talking about the same era in which a few low budget major league clubs served as actual farm teams for other wealthier clubs.  It's not exactly like there was a whole lot of integrity going around.

[joehakes]

Pete Gray was not the best liked teammate by any stretch of the imagination.  One time he got into a clubhouse fight with one of the other Browns, who kept one hand behind his back during the melee to make it a fair fight.

The Browns' pennant during WWII proved problematic to some GI's.  One of the ways that American soliders sniffed out spies was to ask them a baseball question.  When some answered a question about who was winning the American League with the correct answer--"The Browns," they were taken as prisoners of war.

[Gregory Sager]

The Browns' pennant during WWII proved problematic to some GI's.  One of the ways that American soliders sniffed out spies was to ask them a baseball question.  When some answered a question about who was winning the American League with the correct answer--"The Browns," they were taken as prisoners of war.

I still remember the early scene from the movie Battle Of The Bulge in which the German soldiers that are being trained to infiltrate Allied lines as American MPs are schooled by a Wehrmacht drill sergeant in the finer points of baseball trivia so that they could answer the types of questions Joe mentioned.

"Who has hit ze most of za home runs?"

"Babe Ruth!"

[diehardfan]

Scott Peterson played basketball at IWU??? Haha... smite away people, was too funny to resist.

Must be hard having the name of a famous person in general (I'm thinking the movie "Office Space" and Michael Bolton ) Must be even harder to have a name like that.

We're talking about the same era in which a few low budget major league clubs served as actual farm teams for other wealthier clubs.  It's not exactly like there was a whole lot of integrity going around.

Sorta like now, and how ALL the other teams are farm teams for the Yankees and Red Sox?

[Titan Q]

Heard some chatter recently that Carthage is close to getting a big impact senior transfer.  The person I spoke with felt this player would have a chance to be the best player in the CCIW next year.  Never heard the name -- just remember it is a Racine, WI product who has been at a D1 for 3 years, and I think plays shooting guard.  Maybe someone can connect the dots.

Also heard Kyle Jeffery will be returning to Carthage, despite some talk of him leaving.

I can't confirm either report.

So, it turns out the transfer is from Kenosha, not Racine...that he was not at a D1 the last 3 years...and that the player returning to Carthage is Mike Hart, not Kyle Jeffery.  Like I said, my info was sketchy!

[Gregory Sager]

So, it turns out the transfer is from Kenosha, not Racine...that he was not at a D1 the last 3 years...and that the player returning to Carthage is Mike Hart, not Kyle Jeffery.  Like I said, my info was sketchy!

Well, when it comes to gathering inside information, we can't all be Augiedad. 

(To be honest, though, Bosko didn't disclose Tolefree's name to me. He merely said that a former D1 shooting guard who had gone to a local high school was going to transfer to Carthage next year, and that he was very high on him. K-Mark's the one who actually put a name to this mystery player for me.)

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

(I'm thinking the movie "Office Space" and Michael Bolton )

What is this?  April making a funny and relevant pop culture reference?  I thought you didn't see all those dumb movies we always talk about.  Nice to see that your new West Coast lifestyle is reaping some dividends.

[diehardfan]

(I'm thinking the movie "Office Space" and Michael Bolton )

What is this?  April making a funny and relevant pop culture reference?  I thought you didn't see all those dumb movies we always talk about.  Nice to see that your new West Coast lifestyle is reaping some dividends.

I haven't seen most movies, and can be extremely clueless about that stuff. But, I saw this one a couple times a few years ago. There's a bunch of crude humor that I don't like in the movie, but anyone who works at an office would be hard pressed not to find parts of that movie super funny, especially the opening scene where's he's stuck in traffic, and the beating down the copier scene. My favorite comedy movie is actually Orange County though.... and it's even funnier now that I live in SoCal. 

The only difference between my lifestyle here and there is that I'm super tan thanks to being outdoors all the time, and will probably die of skin cancer at 40. 

[Gregory Sager]

The only difference between my lifestyle here and there is that I'm super tan thanks to being outdoors all the time, and will probably die of skin cancer at 40. 

But that's OK. Who wants to live long enough to see that advanced and decrepit age, anyway?

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

The only difference between my lifestyle here and there is that I'm super tan thanks to being outdoors all the time, and will probably die of skin cancer at 40. 

But that's OK. Who wants to live long enough to see that advanced and decrepit age, anyway?

Here, here.

[Knightstalker]

The only difference between my lifestyle here and there is that I'm super tan thanks to being outdoors all the time, and will probably die of skin cancer at 40. 

But that's OK. Who wants to live long enough to see that advanced and decrepit age, anyway?

EHHH! what's that sonny, type louder I am over 40.  Wait, I should be looking through the bottom of my lenses.