MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

[joehakes]

Dennis' beach vacation at Cannon Beach resulted in the now famous "Titleist" incident.

"The sea was angry that day, my friend.  Like an old man trying to return soup at a deli."

[Mr. Ypsi]

Pistol, great to have you back!

Nice story about the hs tournament game (it was after I left Illinois, so I hadn't heard it before).  Isiah (he somehow lost an A from the usual spelling) had a number of such games (fortunately for us Pistons fans - such as game 6 of the '87 finals, where he poured in 25 points in the 4th quarter while hobbling and hopping on a badly sprained ankle!), but I wonder if any of them were as dominating as Austin Carr's 56(?) points in ending UCLA's zillion-game winning streak?  I'm not sure Notre Dame had any other players who would have even sat on UCLA's bench.

Other nominees for all-time most dominating single game?

[sac]

The difference between Michigan and Illinois is that Michigan is a football state. 

True, we have 8 divisions for football.........all you need is 6 wins to qualify for the tournament......sometimes a pulse will do.

....and yes the Football finals are at Ford Field now (2nd year maybe).  We're getting closing to burying the Silverdome for good.  Incidently you might want to know that the city of Detroit has finally decided to tear down Tiger Stadium, although they  say they'll keep the diamond for youth games.


......and its interesting that Detroit Public schools have had had only 1 Champion in Class A since 1994 that was in 98

http://www.mhsaa.com/sports/bbb/yearly.htm


Plus apparently we've always had 4 classes in Michigan since inception in 1925.

[Pistol Pete]

Mr. Ypsi, you'd have to consider Walton's Final Four game where he went 21-22 from the field (when dunks were outlawed) against a pretty good Memphis State team.

Also Bill Bradley, as I recall, had a game for Princeton in the NCAAs -- 1964, maybe, perhaps against Michigan -- where he had something like 44 points and single-handedly kept an inferior Princeton team in a game where they didn't belong.

Or Magic Johnson's game at center for the Lakers when they beat the 76ers for the title in Magic's rookie season (Abdul-Jabbar was out with a sprained ankle).

I may be off on some of those details, but I sure remember the star performers being amazing in each case.

[titan2000]

Does everyone on this board have the summer off ?

How can you be here all day and night?

The CCIW must prepare you to have more time than the average fan.

[Mr. Ypsi]

Pistol,

I almost included Magic's game (as far as the NBA playoffs, I've always considered his to be the best game, and Isiah's to be the gutsiest game), but your other nominations are worthy of consideration as well.

Another possibility might be Christian Laettner's game against Kentucky, though I doubt he had the overall domination necessary to hit the finals of this quiz!

I'd leave off Wilt's 100-point game, since that seems to have been more a stunt that a domination.

BTW, I well remember the Cobden Appleknockers vs. Pekin [Chinese slur] title game (1964?).  As I recall, all five (maybe only four) of Cobden's players were taller than the tallest Pekin player (a 6'2" guy who went to Duke - something Miller, I believe), but I guess those Pekin guys knew how to hoop!   As I recall, the Appleknockers had two pairs of brothers, who were cousins to each other.

[petemcb]

Talk of dominant games by one player brings to mind my favorite Will Perdue post-game quote after MJ poured in 63 in a game against the Celtics:  "you gotta figure anytime Michael and I combine for 65, we have a good shot at winning".

[Gregory Sager]

Does everyone on this board have the summer off ?

How can you be here all day and night?

The CCIW must prepare you to have more time than the average fan.

Hey, who would've thought that Titan2000 would turn out to be Lee Elia's nom de hoops?

To me, the IHSA is just reflecting the wants of its members - careerists in the industry of public education.  It really has nothing to do with the kids.  And that is true for all of public education.  To me, very little in public education has much to do with education or children.  The driving force is careerism.  That is a subject for a huge rant - not for this board.  What is going on with the IHSA is reflective of all the problems with our educational system.

Well said, Martin -- and I say that as someone who has a sibling and many, many friends who are either teachers or administrators in public education.

The demise of the IHSA's two-class basketball system is just one more change for the worse that's setting me on the road to old-dufferhood, as in, "I remember back in the good old days when there where only two state champions in boys basketball. Now that was some good basketball. You really had to earn a state title back then. Hey, you kids! Get offa my lawn!"

[Gregory Sager]

Oh - Wheaties know that North Park exists - just ask your soccer coach Joe Bean.

I doubt it. I'm guessing the only way you could have beaten us is that they were so bored with the idea of North Park that they just weren't paying attention.  8)

Interesting theory. And how many times does this theory require NPU to have to beat Wheaton in a row on your own soccer pitch before you folks take notice of the Park? I guess it has to be more than three. 

[dansand]

Pistol, great to have you back!

Nice story about the hs tournament game (it was after I left Illinois, so I hadn't heard it before).  Isiah (he somehow lost an A from the usual spelling) had a number of such games (fortunately for us Pistons fans - such as game 6 of the '87 finals, where he poured in 25 points in the 4th quarter while hobbling and hopping on a badly sprained ankle!), but I wonder if any of them were as dominating as Austin Carr's 56(?) points in ending UCLA's zillion-game winning streak?  I'm not sure Notre Dame had any other players who would have even sat on UCLA's bench.

Other nominees for all-time most dominating single game?

I think Austin Carr was gone when Notre Dame snapped UCLA's 88-game winning streak.

[Pistol Pete]

It was an 88-game streak, and though Austin Carr played in the ND victory after[ which the streak started, he was gone by the time the streak was snapped.  Shumate, Brokaw, Clay, and a freshman named Dantley were on that ND team:

http://www.sportingnews.com/archives/sports2000/numbers/139123.html

[almcguirejr]

Other nominees for all-time most dominating single game?

Pete Metzelaars, Wabash, 45 points in D3 Championship game in 1982. 

Wabash 83 Potsdam State 62

[Knightstalker]

In NJ the NJSIAA has four groups and four regions.  You have North regions 1 and 2, central region and the southern region.  Within these regions you have groups 1, 2, 3 and 4.  Each region/group has a champion like North 1 group 2.  There are also the Parochial A and B groups.  After the group championships are decided they play the Tournament of Champions which crowns an overall state champion in basketball.  This is done for every sport but football I believe with sports like T&F, CC and Wrestling have team and individual championships.  I like the system it works as a true playoff.

I have to agree with the public educators rant, they are more concerned with their own butts to worry about the children and the teachers who make waves trying to improve the school experience for the kids get denied tenure because they don't play well with others.

[martin]

Talk of dominant games by one player brings to mind my favorite Will Perdue post-game quote after MJ poured in 63 in a game against the Celtics: "you gotta figure anytime Michael and I combine for 65, we have a good shot at winning".

Pete - Many people have ripped off that quote or versions of it.  I believe the first person to say it was Hot Rod Hundley of the Lakers who said -
"My biggest thrill came the night Elgin Baylor and I combined for 73 points at Madison Square Garden. Elgin had 71 of them."

[martin]

Does everyone on this board have the summer off ?

How can you be here all day and night?

The CCIW must prepare you to have more time than the average fan.

Hey, who would've thought that Titan2000 would turn out to be Lee Elia's nom de hoops?

It seemed like only yesterday but Elia's meltdown was on April 29, 1983.  For those who do not know what Greg was referring to, go here for a description of what happened as well as links to a transcript and an audio of what Elia said.  A brief (censored) excerpt (he went on like this for over three minutes) -

"They oughta go out and get a f****n' job and find out what it's like to go out and earn a f****n' living. Eighty-five percent of the f****n' world is working. The other 15 percent come out here.  I'll tell you one f****n' thing, I hope we get f****n' hotter than s**t, just to stuff it up them 3,000 f****n' people that show up every f****n' day, because if they're the real Chicago f****n' fans, they can kiss my f****n' ass right downtown and print it!"

We should start a pool on when we will get something in this vein from Dusty Baker.  Back in 1983, I was proud to be one of "them 3,000 f****n' people that show up every f****n' day".  Unfortunately, in 1984 there were over 35,000 people there every day as the Cubs won the NL East under Jim Frey.  Wrigley was way too crowded.