MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

[ac_fan]

Augie wins today 92-77 against Wartburg. Highlights from the game...

* Brusveen came alive with his shot
* Collins has some nasty blocks (5 tonight)
* Washington continues to impress me
* There were a million fouls called today...26 in the first half, 18 in the second
* Augie needs to improve their free throw shooting

The boxscore:
http://www.augustana.edu/athletics/mbasketball/stats/2006-07/07mbb09.htm

[Titan Q]

The CCIW vs WIAC in calendar year 2006...


@Elmhurst 98, UW-Whitewater 91 (12/17/06)

@Elmhurst 55, UW-Oshkosh 52 (12/5/06)

IWU 69, @UW-Whitewater 68 OT (11/18/06)

IWU 85, @UW-Whitewater 71 (3/4/06)*

@Augustana 77, UW-Stout 70 (3/4/06)*

* NCAA Tournament


Just one more to go for the calendar year sweep:

12/30: Augustana @ UW-Stevens Point

[John Gleich]

Elmhurst wins 98-91, UWW cuts it to 6, tied at 37-37 at the half, EC leads by as much as 14.

[RodneyKnuppel]

Another nice win for the EC BlueJays---- was impressed with them tonight..

Congrats to Ryan Burks for making all tournament team..

P.S. Grinnell Basketball is a joke. It should be illegal.

[OurHouse]

Augie wins today 92-77 against Wartburg. Highlights from the game...

* Brusveen came alive with his shot
* Collins has some nasty blocks (5 tonight)
* Washington continues to impress me
* There were a million fouls called today...26 in the first half, 18 in the second
* Augie needs to improve their free throw shooting

The boxscore:
http://www.augustana.edu/athletics/mbasketball/stats/2006-07/07mbb09.htm

What an embarrasement - Augie only played in front of 257 fans? On a bad day, IWU plays in front of 1800, 8X that of yesterday....and don't tell me everyone is out of school - - I think Augies average attendance is 800, on a good day. Man, Carthage must be worse??

[ac_fan]

My guess is that these numbers are made up... Here is Augie's home attendance this year per Augie Website:

St. Norbert - 403
Beloit - 256
Wash U - 249
Clarke - 257
Coe - 452
Wartburg - 257

Those numbers bolded are all pretty similar and I can say that there was hardly anyone at the Beloit game because it was break for the students.

[mwunder]

Augie wins today 92-77 against Wartburg. Highlights from the game...

* Brusveen came alive with his shot
* Collins has some nasty blocks (5 tonight)
* Washington continues to impress me
* There were a million fouls called today...26 in the first half, 18 in the second
* Augie needs to improve their free throw shooting

The boxscore:
http://www.augustana.edu/athletics/mbasketball/stats/2006-07/07mbb09.htm

What an embarrasement - Augie only played in front of 257 fans? On a bad day, IWU plays in front of 1800, 8X that of yesterday....and don't tell me everyone is out of school - - I think Augies average attendance is 800, on a good day. Man, Carthage must be worse??

To be honest...this post didn't bring a whole lot of anything to this discussion board.  So what if IWU plays in front of 1800 people every night?  They're 2-3 at home this season.  Carthage and Augie are a combined 8-0 at home, including wins over Wash U (beat IWU by 12), Calvin (ranked #10) and Hope (ranked #5 at the time).

All you're telling me is that 1800 people have gone home disappointed more often than not this season.

[Late nite]

   Nice win today for Augie against a better than average opponent---The Vikes showed in this game that they are comfortable playing an up-tempo ballgame---Drew Wessels had a strong game against the pressure of the Wartburg guards who were quick and physical---He was strong with the ball, got both guards in foul trouble and broke down their pressing defense to create good shots for open teammates---He will need to play major minutes when the Vikes face a pressure defense---Delp again led Augie with 22 from both the outside and quick drives to the hoop ---Rukavina and Collins were strong defensively inside---multiple blocked shots---Brusveen and Washington were strong off the bench---Brusveen--- 15 points in 15 minutes??---Washington's confidence continues to grow the more minutes he plays---Talented---Lots of positives today against one of the better teams that the Vikes have played

[RedMan1]

I know for a fact when Carthage opens up at home for CCIW play there will be alot of people there. Problem is when Carthage loses in front of a big crowd no one shows up the next game. Could this be fair weather fans, yes, but still wins bring out the fans to games. Don't want to say it but at Carthage if you don't win, not many people show up. I think this years team has promise. Last year kind of made alot of fans mad because they had a bunch of talent but not many wins. I know people are excited on campus for this team to do well, and win alot of games this year 8)

[Gregory Sager]

Should be a good matchup between EC and Whitewater today.  A few notes from yesterdays games.
Whitewater could have beat Grinnell by 50, they were just head and shoulders better than the fun-n-run team from Iowa.  After watching Grinnell for about a minute, I really wanted them to be run out of the gym.  I have to hand it to Coach Arseneault and his system because it is unique, unfortunately, its hard to win many shootouts if you don't have any spectacular shooters.

The remarkable thing about Saturday's UWW/Grinnell game was that it took the Pioneers a full five minutes just to score their first point of the contest. I told April that we may have been watching some sort of history in the making.

Grotberg, (36ppg) did not impress me at all, then again he did go 3-20 from the field.

Actually, I could tell from watching him that John Grotberg has some legitimate talent. His problem is that he's playing in that system, which makes it harder to appreciate his skills and abilities. He's just one more player among a long parade of players coming in and out of the game, and the short stints mean that he never gets into that flow that all good players use to showcase their stuff -- especially since the whole point of Arseneault's system is to jack up shots as quickly as possible, which doesn't allow for much in the way of finesse.

Keith Chamberlain and the coach's namesake son are the other two members of the Pioneers who looked like CCIW-level players, although I concur with ECdubb that Grinnell is an ill-suited choice for Chamberlain's game (I imagine that Grinnell's stellar academic reputation more than compensates for that, though).

UW-Whitewater gets criticized frequently by the WIAC room folks for being undisciplined, but there was nothing undisciplined about the Warhawks on Saturday. They did exactly what Pat Miller told them to do: Keep the ball in the middle of the floor, don't hold onto it too long, stay away from shooting treys, and make a beeline to the basket when the ball is in your hands. As a result, they got the expected forty-minute layup drill that every good team uses to pound Grinnell. The Arseneault system may be an entertaining novelty, after all, but it is no panacea. It doesn't allow the Pioneers to beat a much better team, and UWW is most definitely a much better team than Grinnell.

The Pioneers brought a nice crowd with them, though. The Warhawks brought no fans whatsoever.

Elmhurst didn't play Saturday's game with much enthusiasm or conviction, and they let a seriously-undermanned Kalamazoo that lacked much in the way of either size or speed hang around well into the second half. At that point Brian Lee turned on the afterburners, Ryan Burks started looking for his shot, and the largely-inconsistent Elmhurst big men made just enough of a contribution to overwhelm the Hornets. Kalamazoo was without its second-leading scorer and leading rebounder, forward Henry McCain, so I was a little puzzled as to why it took the Bluejays so long to put them away. The Hornets are scrappy and they shoot well, but without McCain they're the sort of team that shouldn't trouble a CCIW squad at all.

The 'jays evidently had less of a problem getting up for the Warhawks on Sunday than they did for the Hornets on Saturday, which is to be expected. Good win for Elmhurst over UWW, and, as Bob pointed out, a good win for the CCIW as well.

[AndOne]

My guess is that these numbers are made up... Here is Augie's home attendance this year per Augie Website:

St. Norbert - 403
Beloit - 256
Wash U - 249
Clarke - 257
Coe - 452
Wartburg - 257

Those numbers bolded are all pretty similar and I can say that there was hardly anyone at the Beloit game because it was break for the students.

My guess is that the attendance figures at almost EVERY game are "made up"
They are probably an estimate by a member of the host schoool's athletic dept.
I don't think I've ever been to any D3 game where it was obvious someone was taking attendance at the door. Usually its just a couple of students selling tickets.

Also, who even knows how many tickets were sold unless they are numbered in some way. Even if they are, there are lots of people at games who don't pay to get in--for instance parents and family of kids on the team, including the visiting teams parents in CCIW conference games, sometimes kids under a certain age, other coaches there to scout etc. Its not an exact science to be sure. Its kinda doubtful a D# school has the resources to worry about something like a true count of the attendance at a basketball game. The games the thing anyway--not the attendance. 

[nccsports891]

Just to let everyone know, www.wonc.org or FM 89.1 locally will carry the two games that NCC is playing in Florida live along with every game the Cardinals play this year. Thanks

[True Basketball Fan]

Another nice win for the EC BlueJays---- was impressed with them tonight..

Congrats to Ryan Burks for making all tournament team..

P.S. Grinnell Basketball is a joke. It should be illegal.

You're right, Noop.  Grinnell's interpretation of the game of basketball should be outlawed.  I wasn't there but I'm sure it was a disgusting display for anybody with basketball know how.  That's why I still get upset thinking about the Beloit/Grinnell game that was on TV a few years back.

Congrats to the Jays!  7 in a row should probably get them back in the rankings again.  Brian Lee is continuing his outstanding play that started with the Hope game last year.  He is definitely the real deal at point.  Now that Dauksas is gone, I think he's the best in the CCIW.  The Martin-less Jays are still very dangerous, I don't think they will finish lower than 2nd or 3rd. 

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

I wonder what brought him to Grinnell.

I think it was mostly academics and the fact that he graduated high school two years early; I'm not sure a lot of local teams were ready to bring on a kid who wouldn't develop fully until his last year or two.


GC has been shooting like crap this year.  I did get to take in a game in person last year and they do have a number of good shooters.  Unfortunately they just aren't getting it done yet this year.  Their two best shooters aren't hitting nearly as well as they have in past.  This is the major flaw in the system, if your shooters don't hit; it's a long night (or season as the case may be).

[David Collinge]

My guess is that the attendance figures at almost EVERY game are "made up"
They are probably an estimate by a member of the host schoool's athletic dept.
I don't think I've ever been to any D3 game where it was obvious someone was taking attendance at the door. Usually its just a couple of students selling tickets.[...]Its kinda doubtful a D# school has the resources to worry about something like a true count of the attendance at a basketball game. [...]

Accurate attendance counts are made at Wooster, Wittenberg, and Muskingum--three of the four venues I have attended so far this season.  Wooster and Witt sell numbered tickets from a ticket office; Musky's ticket sellers keep a simple tick-mark count.  The fourth (Denison) attracts such small crowds that a manual headcount from the scorer's table is probably pretty accurate.