MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

[Pat Coleman]

Perhaps preparation for the CCIW tournament?

[Gregory Sager]

Perhaps preparation for the CCIW tournament?

Not likely, but if so it was definitely a case of putting the cart before the horse.

[Pat Coleman]

Perhaps, but it's too late to prep once you've clinched a spot.

[AndOne]

First of all, I want to congratulate NCC for playing what must have been some wicked defense. Wheaton shot 32.6% from the floor, and 13.3% from behind the arc. Owwwwwwww!!! I honestly have no idea how Wheaton stayed in this game at all except for the fact that we must have put some fairly decent defense on NCC ourselves. Holy cow those are bad percentages. I can't believe, however, that Wheaton could possibly shoot that bad ever again, which gives me a little hope in the rest of the season...

diehard-----

The primary difference in the game was NCC played great defense for the entire game (they had to to limit WC to 47 points!), whereas WC only clamped down hard on defense in the 2nd half. NC's perimeter defense was especially good. Wheaton was only 2 of 15 on 3 pointers, and one of them was a shot clock beater by the Wheaton center that you would give him anytime. Those points were 3 of only 19 Wheaton scored in the 1st half. WC was able to make up this deficit and actually take a 4 point lead with about 2:56 left mainly on free throws. NCC held WC without a field goal for the final 5:34 of the game. In partial defense of the low point total by WC, Raymond is rusty after sitting out the last few games with his knee injury which is still healing (his knee was wraped) and Standard played only 22 minutes before fouling out. This is not to discount the blanketing defense played by NC. The Wheaton starters scored only 26 points. The only one who wasn't a real dud was Wiele. On NC's side, Dan Walton just did not get any good looks in the time he was on the court in the 1st half when he was limited by foul trouble. Also, Anthony Simmons is not close to 100% while recovering from his injury. 

[Gregory Sager]

I'm not sure if everyone who follows this league realizes the success collectively achieved by our eight teams in the non-conference phase of the season. The CCIW as a whole went 66-22 (.750), which ties the 2000-01 season's results as the best non-conference (regular season only) showing in league history. Like that 2000-01 campaign, all eight teams finished above .500 in non-conference play. But unlike that 2000-01 campaign, all eight teams finished at least 7-4 this year.

Here's this decade's cumulative non-conference results, regular season only:

2006-07: 66-22 (.750)
2005-06: 56-31 (.644)
2004-05: 63-25 (.716)
2003-04: 60-27 (.690)
2002-03: 59-29 (.670)
2001-02: 56-32 (.636)
2000-01: 66-22 (.750)
1999-00: 63-25 (.716)

It's reasonable to suspect that increased parity within the league might lead to a cannibalization effect that will hinder the CCIW from repeating the feat of getting three teams into the tournament. That may be true, but the other aspect that needs to be acknowledged is that the league as an entire eight-team entity is better than it was last season. That translates into elevated QOWIs for the contenders, which should help come Selection Sunday.

[markerickson]

By posting the pic of Schlemm fouling out instead of Freeman, was the implication a sign of home cooking?   IWU shot 32 FTs whereas Carthage shot only 18.  A friend of mine who watched the webcast - not Greg because he was at the NPU game with me - said Carthage got screwed by the refs.

Carthage does not travel well so I wonder if any Carthage poster, excluding the SID, went to the game.

[GoRedMen]

The iwu and cc game was such a good game you hate to blame officiating, but they were calling cheap fouls especially on schlem late in the ball game. also Milos made a circus shot while being fouled that they called on the ground taking away 2 crucial points


Also Carthage played Northland because they were short a game, it was set right before the season because they were already in the area playing msoe the night before, it was always set for friday.

[Dennis_Prikkel]

EC meanwhile has 4 bail out guys led by Brian Lee who has to be the quickest player in the league. 

He isn't. I thought that NPU's Sheldon Evans was the quickest, but on Saturday night I got my first look at Vincent Brock, Millikin's sophomore transfer out of Parkland CC. That guy is bottled lightning. He may be one of the two or three quickest players with the ball in his hands that I've seen in the CCIW in this decade. At this point Brock's nowhere near being the complete player that Brian Lee is, but if he can refine his game ... watch out. Between Brock and Drew Gensler, Millikin's opponents are going to have a devil of a time stopping the dribble penetration of the Big Blue's guards.

I too was quite impressed with Brock's quickness against North Park - especially his defensive quickness - he has long arms and got his hands on as many dribbles as the Viking point guards did when he was guarding them.  During one three minute session of the first half he had two steals and forced three turnovers.  He picked Sheldon Evans pocket several times.  But on the other end he didn't show that he could shoot at all from the outside.

MW 70:3

[AndOne]

The iwu and cc game was such a good game you hate to blame officiating, but they were calling cheap fouls especially on schlem late in the ball game. also Milos made a circus shot while being fouled that they called on the ground taking away 2 crucial points

Go (and other CC Fans)------

Let me first preface my comment by stating I mean no criticism by it so please don't take it that way.

This is just something I observed from seeing Schlemm play several summer league games. I think one reason he gets as many fouls called on him, whatever that number might be, is that he is not a smooth or graceful player.
His game is not speed, but rather power. Defensively, he bodies his man. As such, I think he sometimes  makes a clean block or takes a charge but gets the foul called on him rather than the other way around. His physical makeup, his power based movements, and for lack of a better description, his "body language" make him more suseptable to a higher percentage of fouls being called on him than he actually committs. Just an observation.   

[GoRedMen]

This is just something I observed from seeing Schlemm play several summer league games. I think one reason he gets as many fouls called on him, whatever that number might be, is that he is not a smooth or graceful player.
His game is not speed, but rather power. Defensively, he bodies his man. As such, I think he sometimes  makes a clean block or takes a charge but gets the foul called on him rather than the other way around. His physical makeup, his power based movements, and for lack of a better description, his "body language" make him more suseptable to a higher percentage of fouls being called on him than he actually committs. Just an observation.





In that game i think that Gant and the Freemans were making just as obvious fouls that were not being called.
But i agree 100% with the body language that's a good way to put it.

[AndOne]

EC meanwhile has 4 bail out guys led by Brian Lee who has to be the quickest player in the league.  He schredded Augie with 24 and 5-6 layups.  That is great news as foot speed has been something that CCIW point guards have historically lacked. 

Evidently you are overlooking Adam Teising last year's graduated point guard for North Central. He was faster with the ball than most players are without it! Faster for sure than Brian Lee is. Teising, who was a sprinter in HS, was the D3 version of Dee Brown on the dribble. 

[BeastMaster]

Millikin was forced into a tough situation on Saturday against North Park because Mike Gavic did not travel due to the flu.  This meant that Keanon Harrington was forced to guard Gordon which is not really a good matchup.  I think that North Park really played well to win the game and I could not say Millikin would have won if Gavic had played because that is all circumstantial not relative. 

Vince Brock is going to continue to get better as the season goes on.  His shooting will come around because remember, he has not played organized basketball in the past few years because he has been overseas in Iraq fighting for our country.  Hopefully we can get back on track at the Shirk on Wednesday. 

[OurHouse]

The iwu and cc game was such a good game you hate to blame officiating, but they were calling cheap fouls especially on schlem late in the ball game. also Milos made a circus shot while being fouled that they called on the ground taking away 2 crucial points


Also Carthage played Northland because they were short a game, it was set right before the season because they were already in the area playing msoe the night before, it was always set for friday.

I have to disagree with you - the closer the game the closer the officiating. It always looks like the calls are cheap fouls but when you are on the floor as a ref, you have to make a split second decision and that is always a result of what a ref sees first - to the spectartor, like yourself, you always see, "after the fact".... the officiating was very good both ways - if it was lopsided, then the IWU would of blown Carthage out the door

Just my 2 cents

[Titan Q]

By posting the pic of Schlemm fouling out instead of Freeman, was the implication a sign of home cooking?   IWU shot 32 FTs whereas Carthage shot only 18.  A friend of mine who watched the webcast - not Greg because he was at the NPU game with me - said Carthage got screwed by the refs.

Carthage does not travel well so I wonder if any Carthage poster, excluding the SID, went to the game.

I never care to get in the middle of a discussion on officiating because it rarely goes anywhere productive, but I do have a couple thoughts on this.

IWU shot more FT's because they are much more of a low post-oriented offensive team than Carthage.  IWU's frontline shot 28 of the 32 free throws (Z. Freeman 12, A. Freeman 9, Gant 4, Bloom/Chamernik a combined 3 off the bench).  In the game, IWU shot 9 3's to Carthage's 30.   IWU's offense revolves around pounding the ball inside, whereas Carthage shoots a lot of 3's.  Teams that pound the ball inside are always going to shoot more FT's than a team that doesn't (more fouls are commited around the basket than on the perimeter.)  IWU's frontcourt athleticism advantage over Carthage is evidenced in the 38-21 Titan rebounding margin, and it was this size/athleticism disparity that led to a lot of the Red Men fouls down low.

Also consider, IWU shot 10 FT's in the final 1:03 of the game when Carthage was trying to foul.  Just take those away and there is most of your FT disparty anyway.

I think we all realize that it is unfair to assume one team got jobbed simply because there was an uneven FT total in the boxscore.

[markerickson]

I think we all realize that it is unfair to assume one team got jobbed simply because there was an uneven FT total in the boxscore.

I did not imply that, alone, uneveness meant unfairness.  Uneveness could have been a factor, especially given anecdotal information and an inference from the picture.  That said, TitanQ did an excellent job of dissuading me from thinking about home cooking.  The disparity between inside/outside shooting and the end-of-game FTs make complete sense.  Thank you.