MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

[Scream]

The North Park team that almost beat Elmhurst at home earlier this year was the best Vikings team I have seen in a good 2-3 years.  Why all the hoopla about NPU?  Give or take a couple of plays and the Park could have 2-3 more wins than they already have.  I guess I just don't understand why you guys are taking the whjips to Ron Rose and Paul Brenaghan.  Remember, in the end, the players have to make the plays and execute.
You could have the best coach, but if the players don't make their plays, then what do you have?

Exactly.  Park isn't  1st in the conference but a 4-6 record is quite a bit better than going 0-for just two years ago.  And they're doing it with some solid young guys.  Wait til they get some more experience under their belts...

[fcnews]

Guys I'm trying to find a stat. I knew this would be a good place to start. I'm looking for a record of consecutive games coached. Coach McKinney from Fontbonne has 1287 in a row. He had reconstructive shoulder surgery on friday, released from hospital on Saturday. Made it to the 3pm Blackburn game and got a 93-75 win. This moves FU to one game out of the #1 spot.

We have brought up few names. Knight - suspensions, Coach K and the Dean - missed do to illness. Maybe Ray Meyer from Depaul?

Any help would be appreciated.

[mr_b]

Guys I'm trying to find a stat. I knew this would be a good place to start. I'm looking for a record of consecutive games coached. Coach McKinney from Fontbonne has 1287 in a row. He had reconstructive shoulder surgery on friday, released from hospital on Saturday. Made it to the 3pm Blackburn game and got a 93-75 win. This moves FU to one game out of the #1 spot.

We have brought up few names. Knight - suspensions, Coach K and the Dean - missed do to illness. Maybe Ray Meyer from Depaul?

Any help would be appreciated.

I looked at the ncaa.org website and found this link:

http://www.ncaa.org/stats/m_basketball/coaching/d1_500_coaching_records.pdf

Through 2006, Bobby Knight had coached in 1,219 games ("Active Coaching Longevity Records" -- go to page 18 of the document).

I looked at some of the other stats (there are 26 pages), and Clarence "Big House" Gaines of Winston-Salem had coached 1,275 games.  Coach McKinney apparently has been at the helm for more games, and if these contests were consecutive, he would certainly have the record.

The link has information for Division I coaches only, but perhaps someone with more time could dig around the ncaa.org website and unearth the Division III coaching records.

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

1275 games, even at a d1 30 games per season is still 43 seasons of coaching.  I think the 1275 may be total for a career?  I know Bobby Knight is approaching the career games coached mark.

[Late nite]

Praise for Majewski?---I'm sure Bosko is proud of a player who played 6 minutes and had 4 fouls, no points and no rebounds---Quite a contribution---That says more about the coach than it says about the player

Been away for a few days, just want to add a few quotes from the article in the newspaper from the Carthage/Augie game.
-"It feels really good, Hood said. To finally get them, especially the last time...hopefully we'll get another shot at them in the conference tournament." -referring to himself and Thompson being the only 4 year seniors and beating Augie for their first time.
-"After the game at their place, I should have just kicked myself in the butt, Djurickovic said. I really didn't do a very good job. We weren't prepared to play."
-"I think what we needed to do was change how we played them because the last three years it's been their system being better than our system. They just flat out overpower you on both ends of the floor with size and physical play. We elimintated the half of it by zoning them. Zones are only as good as the other team shoots. Tonight, they didn't make some shots that they ordinarlily would.  We took away their physical play on the offensive end.  That kept us out of foul trouble, kept the game moving and gave us an opportunity."

The article also praised Luke Majewski, a junior who has played jv the last 2 years and played only 19 minutes before Saturday. Bosko praised his work ethic and what he does for the team. Hood and Thompson were also mentioned a lot being the only 2 seniors. 

[usee]

I think there were about 25-30 Carlson Crazy's at the game saturday.

I totally agree North Park U is on the serious upswing. They are more talented, better coached and play harder than I have seen in the last 5-6 years. Their record is an indicator. 

I also agree they are a battle to beat every night which hasn't been the case over the past few years. They struggled this year against Wheaton (every team has their achilles....see wheaton v ncc) but they have been in every game for the most part. definately on the rise.

[OurHouse]

AndOne:

You cannot shut up, can you? You put your foot in your mouth and now your tap dancing to Titan Q - the only facts that can be facts is if you know the facts.

You don't know the "complete" facts so it is factual opinions - who to believe anything anyone says on the board, since it is a chat board, far from "garbage"

[Titan Q]

Other news that might interest you---I inquired, and according to what is broadcast as IWU policy, it appears you CAN designate your contribution to go toward the athletic dept. I would be glad to point out where you can find said policy should your research not reveal that point of information.    

As an alum, I can donate money to IWU's general fund and check a box indicating what department I'd like my money to support -- for example,  "Athletics" is an option.  From there, the money eventually goes into the overall Athletics pot and helps support all programs, but you certainly don't see the direct affects of your contribution.  As an annual donor to IWU, I'm very familiar with how it all works.  I just have my donation go into the annual fund and hope it helps somebody, somehow.  (If I could have my money go towards getting Marketing professor Fred Hoyt a better coat than the old U. of Chicago letterman's jacket he breaks out everytime IWU faces the Maroons, I'd designate it there...but that is not an option either.)

What you cannot do is give to an athletic program individually.  If I call IWU tomorrow and tell them I'd like to give $1000 towards helping the men's basketball team take a trip to Hawaii in 2008-09, they will tell me that it is not possible.  All I can do is ask that my $1000 is allocated to athletics, where again, it will eventually be dispersed across all IWU athletic programs.  (I know someone who inquired into giving a nice sum last year to help a program take a trip, which is why I use that example -- the money is still in that person's pocket however because it could not go directly to the program he wanted to support.)

Your suggestion that there is a group of athletics donors who influence hiring decisions is "comical" to me because one of the biggest complaints of IWU alums who follow one (or more) of the athletic programs is that they cannot give money directly to women's soccer or men's basketball or football or the sport of their choice.  By the way, I don't think IWU's practice is wrong, or a bad thing.  It makes a lot sense and is very equitalbe.  But to hear you say "the $ of the local alums must have carried more weight in Dennie Bridges' decision" made me laugh out-loud.  I'm pretty close to the men's basketball program and also in the loop on the way things work at IWU, and that picture you are painting of the good ole boys down at the barber shop strong-arming the A.D. just aint the way it is.

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

that picture you are painting of the good ole boys down at the barber shop strong-arming the A.D. just aint the way it is.

It's not like it's Texas or something.

[Titan Q]

Guys I'm trying to find a stat. I knew this would be a good place to start. I'm looking for a record of consecutive games coached. Coach McKinney from Fontbonne has 1287 in a row. He had reconstructive shoulder surgery on friday, released from hospital on Saturday. Made it to the 3pm Blackburn game and got a 93-75 win. This moves FU to one game out of the #1 spot.

We have brought up few names. Knight - suspensions, Coach K and the Dean - missed do to illness. Maybe Ray Meyer from Depaul?

Any help would be appreciated.

I'd look down your way to Titanhammer's uncle, Harry Statham at McKendree.  He has more wins than Bobby Knight.

[sports]

Nick Michael has been a great Senior Leader for the Bluejays and teams up well with Ruch and Hintzsche inside.  HOWEVER, I do feel that Nick could benefit from being a little more physical.  Sometimes he gets that "passive" approach, which often doesn't get the outcomes he's looking for.  Still, I am glad he is in a Bluejay uniform because him and Ruch are a great 1,2 inside.

How does a player walk the fine line of being more physical and not fouling out, Which is what happened to him at Wesleyan. 

[fcnews]

I was aware of Coach Statham. Coach McKinney and Coach Statham had their battles when Coach McKinney was at Missouri Baptist. Coach Statham has 1283 games coached, but I also know he's missed several due to illness.

[79jaybird]

Sports-  that is a good question.  We both know Elmhurst has had trouble with fouls and getting into the double-bonus way to early (for the other team).
I think there is nothing wrong with being physical and you just have to be smart.  I have seen Elmhurst committ some "bad" fouls that add up once you get late in the 2nd half.
I think Elmhurst is in pretty good shape right now and just needs to remember to A)play with intensity  B) execute  and with their talent, they will be in a good position late in the game.

[dansand]

Nick Michael has been a great Senior Leader for the Bluejays and teams up well with Ruch and Hintzsche inside.  HOWEVER, I do feel that Nick could benefit from being a little more physical.  Sometimes he gets that "passive" approach, which often doesn't get the outcomes he's looking for.  Still, I am glad he is in a Bluejay uniform because him and Ruch are a great 1,2 inside.

How does a player walk the fine line of being more physical and not fouling out, Which is what happened to him at Wesleyan. 

A lot of fouls aren't the result of physical play, but rather bad decision making, being in poor position, etc.

[79jaybird]

Dansand, you're right and that is what I meant with the "bad" fouls.  It's not so much the physical play as it is a lack of concentration, laziness, or sometimes just ignorance where you know it's a foul and you think you might get away with it.
We never did that on the football field right?