MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

[augiefan]

Why would the conference go from 8 teams to 9? It creates major scheduling problems. If Carroll is acceoted, it would seem the conference would want to go to 10 teams. Who is a likely candidate to be that 10th team?

[Titan Q]

Why would the conference go from 8 teams to 9? It creates major scheduling problems. If Carroll is acceoted, it would seem the conference would want to go to 10 teams. Who is a likely candidate to be that 10th team?

I've heard quite a bit of chatter lately about MWC schools Carroll and St. Norbert petitioning to join the CCIW.  Sounds like the discussion is at a pretty serious level. 

[Titan Q]

ICN5, the local station which covers the Titans' games, also has video highlights of all men's and women's games online:
http://www.icn5.com/homepage.html
Click on "sports" to the left and then "ICN5 replay."

Hoosier Titan, meant to thank you for this link...I didn't know ICN5 was doing this.  It's much appreciated by this IWU fan who lives out of town.

Here is the direct link to the IWU highlights page:

http://www.icn5.com/replay.html

[AndOne]

DECEMBER 12, 2008  
Carroll awaits response to joining CCIW
WAUKESHA - Carroll University is awaiting word from the College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin on whether it is interested in the school rejoining its former conference.

Source: http://www.freemanol.com/

Under Prep sports section...

Screw it! The current setup features 14 conference games which allows the conference teams to schedule 11 non conference contests. I personally like this setup as it allows the CCIW to schedule games against teams they would otherwise not see. I think exposing the conference teams to schools outside the conference is a good thing. I like our teams being able to add a little diversity and travel to their schedules without having to play the same teams over and over. The games are for the players, and it looking at things from their perspective, I think they appreciate the experience they get from being exposed to other schools/conferences in different parts of the region/country.

Looking, for instance, at the North Central schedule over the last 5 years, the flexibility in having an 11 game non conference schedule has allowed the team to travel to December tournament locales such as Myrtle Beach SC, Orlando, Hawaii, Los Angeles, and Las Vegas, from where the team returns today. Those are pretty nice rewards for the time and effort the kids put into a long season of practice and games. Most importantly, I think such trips are an enhancement to the overall student-athlete experience. The more exposure to different areas/experiences, the better prepared a student is to possibly venture into those areas after graduation. I wouldn't want to see the possibility of scheduling such trips/games jeopardized by having to play 2 more (or 4 more if 2 more conference teams are added) games.       

[AndOne]

This just in from the Mary Washington sports website:

North Central 70
Mary Washington 61

Congrats to the North Central Cardinals on a very successful trip to the D III Desert
Shootout/Hoopla tournament in Las Vegas. I'm sure the team enjoyed themselves immensely amid all of the diversions Vegas offers. However, it appears they we still able to maintain their focus and take care of business, winning both their games and adding to this year's sterling CCIW record against non conference opponents as TQ has previously illustrated.   

[sac]

Why would the conference go from 8 teams to 9? It creates major scheduling problems. If Carroll is acceoted, it would seem the conference would want to go to 10 teams. Who is a likely candidate to be that 10th team?

Wasn't the CCIW nine teams before?

[Mr. Ypsi]

Yes.  (It has also been a low as 7.)  Personally, I think 8 is perfect (for fball as well as bball) for ease of scheduling AND just the right balance of conference and non-con games.

[robberki]

Instead of adding one to get 9, maybe the CCIW is adding one to stay at 8? 

/ducks out of thread.

[mr_b]

Instead of adding one to get 9, maybe the CCIW is adding one to stay at 8? 

/ducks out of thread.

Why?  Who's going D-II?

[Viking Blue]

Interesting thought, Rob.  Problem is, D2 doesn't really seem to be as much of a presence around these parts as it is in other regions in this country.  I won't speculate on the specifics of a particular school, but I would bet any team willing to make that jump out of the CCIW would not be one you would expect.

I like the chatter, though.

It will be interesting to see if this "rumor" picks up any steam.

[Gregory Sager]

Here is a list of all 0, 1 and 2-loss teams in the Midwest region..."in-region" games only (please let me know if you find errors).  This is sorted by in-region winning %, since that is the #1 NCAA criteria for ranking purposes.  Also noted is remaining non-conference, in-region games...

1. Millikin, 7-0 (1.000) – vs Knox
2. Wheaton, 5-0 (1.000) – vs Mount St. Joseph, @ Grinnell
3. Westminster-Mo., 3-0 (1.000)
4. Elmhurst, 9-1 (.900) - @ Anderson
5. Washington U., 7-1 (.875) - @ Webster
6. North Central, 6-1 (.857)
7. St. Norbert, 5-1 (.833) – vs St. Scholastica
8. Illinois Wesleyan, 4-1 (.800) – vs Illinois College
9. Transylvania, 4-1 (.800) – vs Berea
10. Augustana, 7-2 (.778) – vs Coe
11. North Park, 6-2 (.750)
12. Grinnell, 3-1 (.750) – vs Wheaton, @ Fontbonne
13. Miwaukee Engineering, 5-2 (.714) - @ U. of Dallas, vs Chicago
14. Concordia-WI, 4-2 (.667)
15. Carthage*, 2-1 (.667) – vs UW-Platteville, vs St. Scholastica
16. Ripon, 3-2 (.600) - @ Rockford, @ UW-Stout

Nicely done, Bob. Just two corrections: St. Norbert and Carthage. The Green Knights host a traditional-setup tourney on Dec. 29-30 that will feature Carthage vs. UW-Platteville in the first game, St. Scholastica @ St. Norbert in the second game, and then a consolation game and a championship game the next day. The Green Knights and Red Men therefore have two regional non-conference games apiece left to play, with each team's second opponent TBD.

- Some teams are going to be hurt by not playing enough in-region games.  Illinois Wesleyan, for example, will only end of playing 6 of its 11 non-conference games "in-region."  Carthage, just 5 of 11.  On the flip side, Elmhurst is going to play all 11 of its non-conference games in-region.

It could be worse. Hope is going to enter MIAA play with only one regional non-conference game under its belt, that game being its loss to Wheaton. Calvin will enter MIAA play without having played even one regional non-conference game, unless it faces Defiance in either the consolation game or the championship game of the Dec. 29-30 tourney at Defiance. We've all discussed the problems that MIAA teams face in getting regional non-conference games due to the peculiarities of the league's peninsular orientation, but Glenn Van Wieren and Kevin VandeStreek seem to have a perverse insistence upon avoiding regional non-conference games that goes well beyond the vagaries of geography. Instead, they load up their non-conference schedules with the same handful of NAIA and NCCAA teams every season (Grace Bible, Aquinas, Cornerstone, Trinity Christian, various Indiana and Purdue branch campuses, etc.). This could be one of those years in which either Hope or Calvin -- or both, if Albion takes the MIAA's automatic bid in Jody May's first season at the helm -- gets left out in the cold on Selection Sunday in spite of a good season because of a coach's obstinate refusal to schedule regional non-conference games.

The MIAA people aren't going to enjoy reading this, and I'm sure we'll hear from them about the importance of specific local rivalries against NAIA and NCCAA teams based in western Michigan; the vexing problem of HCAC, NCAC, and OAC teams declining to play Hope and/or Calvin, etc. But rules are rules. I don't make them; I just report them. Like it or not, MIAA fans, Hope's and Calvin's scheduling works contrary to the ultimate purposes of those two programs, if you consider at least one of the ultimate purposes to be a berth in the D3 tournament.

[Gregory Sager]

DECEMBER 12, 2008  
Carroll awaits response to joining CCIW
WAUKESHA - Carroll University is awaiting word from the College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin on whether it is interested in the school rejoining its former conference.

Source: http://www.freemanol.com/

Under Prep sports section...

The article is unlinkable from the Freeman Online site. Could somebody who has access to it please tell me if the article approached Carthage's President Campbell to get his inevitable "Carroll will rejoin this league over my dead body!" quote?

[oldnuthin]

Instead of adding one to get 9, maybe the CCIW is adding one to stay at 8? 

/ducks out of thread.

Why?  Who's going D-II?

Heard Carthage is looking at this

[oldnuthin]

Instead of adding one to get 9, maybe the CCIW is adding one to stay at 8? 

/ducks out of thread.

Why?  Who's going D-II?

Heard Carthage is considering this

[Mr. Ypsi]

DECEMBER 12, 2008  
Carroll awaits response to joining CCIW
WAUKESHA - Carroll University is awaiting word from the College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin on whether it is interested in the school rejoining its former conference.

Source: http://www.freemanol.com/

Under Prep sports section...

The article is unlinkable from the Freeman Online site. Could somebody who has access to it please tell me if the article approached Carthage's President Campbell to get his inevitable "Carroll will rejoin this league over my dead body!" quote?

Instead of adding one to get 9, maybe the CCIW is adding one to stay at 8? 

/ducks out of thread.

Why?  Who's going D-II?

Heard Carthage is considering this

Hmmm...  Do I smell a linkage here?

The plot thickens.

[At least I won't have to learn a new shorthand for note-making (either C or Car, depending on how lazy I am) if Carroll replaces Carthage - but does Carroll have any fans to replace the Redmen fans?]

Until I hear otherwise, I'm gonna think this is much ado about nothing.