MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

[titan2000]

Was the Wheaton team moniker the "Thunder" in the late 80's into the early 90's?   Or was this one of those Indian name change schools 

We used to compete with them in college and I don't remember much except for the young lady I met from there who, well, struggled with the cloistered Wheaton campus and enjoyed some freedom at my place.  But I digress. 

Wheaton announced the nickname change on September 29, 2000.

OK Q,

What's the over/under on T2K's karma after all the Wheaton folks see his post about defiling one of their young ladies?

-319 by 10:00pm CST

I'll take the over...or, uh...is it the under?

Well, if letting her listen to music and have a beer or two is "defiling", I am guilty.  I think your minds are straining to consider broader sins.   Clean it up you people.

[Viking Blue]

Was the Wheaton team moniker the "Thunder" in the late 80's into the early 90's?   Or was this one of those Indian name change schools 

We used to compete with them in college and I don't remember much except for the young lady I met from there who, well, struggled with the cloistered Wheaton campus and enjoyed some freedom at my place.  But I digress. 

Wheaton announced the nickname change on September 29, 2000.

OK Q,

What's the over/under on T2K's karma after all the Wheaton folks see his post about defiling one of their young ladies?

-319 by 10:00pm CST

I'll take the over...or, uh...is it the under?

Well, if letting her listen to music and have a beer or two is "defiling", I am guilty.  I think your minds are straining to consider broader sins.   Clean it up you people.

We all know the most important question here....was there any dancing accompanying this music?  Perhaps a waltz or jitterbug?  Because therein lie your broader sins, my friend.

[izzy stradlin]

Does anyone know what happened to Phil Carr of Wheaton?   He was the third freshman to start getting some decent minutes but now he is no longer listed on the roster or the last two box scores.

[AndOne]

A nice (and important) win for Augie tonight. They can't afford to let Wheaton (or North Central or Carthage) create any more separation and obviously need to protect the home court as well.

This was easily the Vikings' best performance since league play started. The Cardinals jumped out to a 7-0 lead before Augie had even gotten off a shot, but the Vikes then held them scoreless for almost 6 1/2 minutes and went on a 15-0 run to take the lead for good. The lead was 14 at the half and never got below 13 in the second half.

Nice contributions from everybody in Augie's 10-man rotation. They shot .545, hit 26-of-32 from the line and had four guys in double figures (Washington and Wessels with 12, Delp & Collins with 10). Chandlor also had four blocks (all of the volleyball spike variety) and four steals. Voiles and Nelson both had nice games off the bench with Justin Bertrand out in the second half with a foot injury (hopefully nothing too serious).

Matt Rogers really carried the Cardinals for most of the night with 18 points in 18 minutes, but he struggled from the line, going 2-of-9, and eventually fouled out. Although he and Drennan had some success inside, Augie's perimeter defense was outstanding. Reid Barringer, who was guarded by Wessels and Delp most of the night, hit a three on the Cardinals' first possession and only had one other bucket the rest of the night. He sat much of the second half with foul trouble. Mitch Raridon had the 6-7 Collins or the 6-8 Voiles in his face all night and also finished with just five points. Both he and Barringer scored all of their points in the game's first 13 minutes.

Overall, a really nice win over a good North Central team that came in playing very well.

Can't add a lot to what Dan has said above regarding the NCC-Augie game last night.
When the Vikings opened the pack of cards last night, they certainly did not heed the
instructions on the package that read "do not fold, spindle, or mutilate,." because thats basically how they treated the Cards. NCC's best 3 possessions of the game may have been their first three. After that, things went downhill fast. The Cards did manage to hit 47.2 percent of their shots, much of that due to Matt Rogers' work inside, but on the other hand, they allowed to Vikings to hit for 54.5 percent. NCC hit only 20 percent of its three attempts, and sank a Shaq-like 45.8 percent of its FTs!!! Heck, I think I could do that.

I also think the NCC players would be the first to admit that last night wasn't their finest hour. The thing is, they DO have the ability to pick themselves up and recover.
They need to begin effecting that recovery Wed against Elmhurst. Lets go Cards.     

[AndOne]

I don't think that comment's fair. While you can't really argue with "God told me to quit", losing Kent was really hard on team dynamics. Wheaton definitely spent some time recovering from it in may facets, and I think there were some legitimate tensions there. As one who had to watch Wheaton get brutalized by Wittier and Redlands, I saw how floundering they looked early on in that season first hand.

There were very real questions when he came back that needed to be asked, and Kent was told he could only come back if he committed to finish his career and not quit again. He said "allowed" because it felt like they "allowed" him to come back because that actually is how it was. Just because someone is a star player, doesn't mean they have the ability or right to hurt the team as a whole. This is especially true in DIII where corporations don't have control and big names don't make programs more money. Good coaches are able to make hard decisions like this all the time.

Come on, April. "Hard decision"? Really? Restoring the best basketball player that Wheaton has had in half a century -- perhaps ever -- to the roster was a "hard decision"? Sorry, no sale.

I don't doubt for a moment that it was difficult for the Wheaton players and coaching staff to accept Raymond's decision to forego basketball his sophomore year. And it's only human nature to resent a decision like that which thwarts collective aspirations and team unity, and to question his motives and dedication when he announced that he wanted to return, even though the rest of the team was 100% in tune with his value system. And asking Raymond for a guarantee that he wouldn't leave the team again was perfectly reasonable, since any coach worth his salt wants to know whom he can count upon and whom he can't when he plans for the future. But I don't buy for a minute the idea that putting Raymond back on the roster was some sort of an agonizing process for Bill Harris or anyone else associated with Wheaton basketball.

I may be missing something here, but from the "Christian perspective," if God told Raymond to quit, wouldn't it have been God who allowed him to return to the team, and coach Harris who affirmed God's decision by granting Raymond's request?

Well, that already pissed off one of the "Christian" soldiers. Typical.

[Titan Q]

When North Central played at Wesleyan recently, we arrived at halftime of the JV game against the IWU alums. While watching the 2nd had with a couple of Titan (adult) fans, both opined that McCullough would not be in a Titan basketball uniform for all 4 years of school. When I asked why they felt this way, they indicated they believed he would eventually give up basketball in favor of baseball because 1) its hard to play 2 sports and keep up with your schoolwork, and 2) he is a better baseball player (pitcher i think) than a basketball player.

Titan fans---Any thoughts?

Anything can happen, but at this point I'd say that is just someone's opinion.  I don't think there is any credible info. behind it.

When McCullough committed to IWU (about 9 months ago) he was pretty clear that it was so he could play both sports.  Baseball is the sport he was prepared to give up to pursue some of his scholarship level basketball opportunities.

Here is a video Eric's high school coach made for his recruiting process:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yR1tF7Y8ltI

It has some silly titles and stuff, but I think it shows that this kid has a really nice basketball upside.  I just hope he can get healthy and in the mix.

[AndOne]

With the (painful) viewing of the NCC-Augie game last night, I have now seen Augie, Wheaton, and Elmhurst all play so far this season. Going into this season, these are the 3 teams generally accepted as the top 3.

Based on what I've seen to this point (and I'm making this statement based on each team having all their normal starters available), Augie would be my pick to emerge as this season's CCIW champs. They feature a 10 strong rotation, and its doesn't seem to matter what combination of those 10 is on the floor. At one time last night, I believe Coach G substituted an entire new team with no appreciable drop off at all. The Vikings are both big and quick. They get up and down the court quickly, move the ball well, and play good defense. While there is a way to go yet, this outside observer would currently be betting on Augie to win., although EC certainly did had an impressive win last night as well.  

[wheatonfanaddict]

dont quote me but I am led to believe that Phil Carr has become academically ineligible, which is to Wheaton great loss because the young man has mad skills.

[AndOne]

Augie's Justin Bertrand sustained an injury last night that was described as being to his knee by some, and to his ankle by others. He played only 11 minutes (none in the 2nd half). Anybody have any additional info on the exact nature/severity of the injury?

[Titan Q]

Home win = 0
Home loss -1
Road win = +1
Road loss = 0

Through Saturday, Jan. 17
Wheaton +2
Carthage +1
North Central +1
Augustana +0
Elmhurst +0
Illinois Wesleyan -1
Millikin -1
North Park -2

January 21:  
Millikin @ Augustana 
Carthage @ Wheaton 
North Central @ Elmhurst 
North Park @ Ill. Wesleyan

January 24:
Ill. Wesleyan @ Augustana 
Carthage @ North Central 
Elmhurst @ Wheaton 
North Park @ Millikin

[titan2000]

Was the Wheaton team moniker the "Thunder" in the late 80's into the early 90's?   Or was this one of those Indian name change schools 

We used to compete with them in college and I don't remember much except for the young lady I met from there who, well, struggled with the cloistered Wheaton campus and enjoyed some freedom at my place.  But I digress. 

Wheaton announced the nickname change on September 29, 2000.

OK Q,

What's the over/under on T2K's karma after all the Wheaton folks see his post about defiling one of their young ladies?

-319 by 10:00pm CST

I'll take the over...or, uh...is it the under?

Well, if letting her listen to music and have a beer or two is "defiling", I am guilty.  I think your minds are straining to consider broader sins.   Clean it up you people.

We all know the most important question here....was there any dancing accompanying this music?  Perhaps a waltz or jitterbug?  Because therein lie your broader sins, my friend.

Kevin Bacon did stop by once. 

[mr_b]

Public service announcement for anyone who was at the Crackerbox for last night's CC-NP game:

It has become fairly common knowledge that I do the PA at North Park's games.

I was informed that there were a couple of royal screw-ups behind the mike last night, most glaringly when the announcer read North Park's starting line-up from LAST Saturday.

Let it be known (as I attempt to shield my reputation, for what it's worth), that wasn't me.  My time behind the mike has been cut in half by the powers that be (whoever those are).

Here's hoping you are back behind the microphone very soon!

[usee]

I don't think that comment's fair. While you can't really argue with "God told me to quit", losing Kent was really hard on team dynamics. Wheaton definitely spent some time recovering from it in may facets, and I think there were some legitimate tensions there. As one who had to watch Wheaton get brutalized by Wittier and Redlands, I saw how floundering they looked early on in that season first hand.

There were very real questions when he came back that needed to be asked, and Kent was told he could only come back if he committed to finish his career and not quit again. He said "allowed" because it felt like they "allowed" him to come back because that actually is how it was. Just because someone is a star player, doesn't mean they have the ability or right to hurt the team as a whole. This is especially true in DIII where corporations don't have control and big names don't make programs more money. Good coaches are able to make hard decisions like this all the time.

Come on, April. "Hard decision"? Really? Restoring the best basketball player that Wheaton has had in half a century -- perhaps ever -- to the roster was a "hard decision"? Sorry, no sale.

I don't doubt for a moment that it was difficult for the Wheaton players and coaching staff to accept Raymond's decision to forego basketball his sophomore year. And it's only human nature to resent a decision like that which thwarts collective aspirations and team unity, and to question his motives and dedication when he announced that he wanted to return, even though the rest of the team was 100% in tune with his value system. And asking Raymond for a guarantee that he wouldn't leave the team again was perfectly reasonable, since any coach worth his salt wants to know whom he can count upon and whom he can't when he plans for the future. But I don't buy for a minute the idea that putting Raymond back on the roster was some sort of an agonizing process for Bill Harris or anyone else associated with Wheaton basketball.

I may be missing something here, but from the "Christian perspective," if God told Raymond to quit, wouldn't it have been God who allowed him to return to the team, and coach Harris who affirmed God's decision by granting Raymond's request?

AO,

I believe you are definitely missing something. In fact, you are probably missing several things.    8)

[Ralph Turner]

I don't think that comment's fair. While you can't really argue with "God told me to quit", losing Kent was really hard on team dynamics. Wheaton definitely spent some time recovering from it in may facets, and I think there were some legitimate tensions there. As one who had to watch Wheaton get brutalized by Wittier and Redlands, I saw how floundering they looked early on in that season first hand.

There were very real questions when he came back that needed to be asked, and Kent was told he could only come back if he committed to finish his career and not quit again. He said "allowed" because it felt like they "allowed" him to come back because that actually is how it was. Just because someone is a star player, doesn't mean they have the ability or right to hurt the team as a whole. This is especially true in DIII where corporations don't have control and big names don't make programs more money. Good coaches are able to make hard decisions like this all the time.

Come on, April. "Hard decision"? Really? Restoring the best basketball player that Wheaton has had in half a century -- perhaps ever -- to the roster was a "hard decision"? Sorry, no sale.

I don't doubt for a moment that it was difficult for the Wheaton players and coaching staff to accept Raymond's decision to forego basketball his sophomore year. And it's only human nature to resent a decision like that which thwarts collective aspirations and team unity, and to question his motives and dedication when he announced that he wanted to return, even though the rest of the team was 100% in tune with his value system. And asking Raymond for a guarantee that he wouldn't leave the team again was perfectly reasonable, since any coach worth his salt wants to know whom he can count upon and whom he can't when he plans for the future. But I don't buy for a minute the idea that putting Raymond back on the roster was some sort of an agonizing process for Bill Harris or anyone else associated with Wheaton basketball.

I may be missing something here, but from the "Christian perspective," if God told Raymond to quit, wouldn't it have been God who allowed him to return to the team, and coach Harris who affirmed God's decision by granting Raymond's request?

AO,

I believe you are definitely missing something. In fact, you are probably missing several things.    8)

Arminius vs Calvin, and not the team in Michigan!   

[mr_b]

Does anyone know what happened to Phil Carr of Wheaton?   He was the third freshman to start getting some decent minutes but now he is no longer listed on the roster or the last two box scores.

He played 5 minutes at North Park last weekend.