MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

[andrewmp]

The only thing that I can say about Raymond is that a week ago Tuesday, he was hoping to be practicing by the end of the week, but said that was optimistic.  This is not what I was told, but what he told to a classmate.  
I believe last Wednesday was his last day in the boot, and has been walking around fine since then.
Even if he is ready to go sometime this week, I feel like he wouldn't play necessarily.  I highly doubt that he would play against NCC, and though he may be ready to go against Augie, I just don't see it.  Augie is such a physical team, I don't see Harris risking the season for that one game.  It would then give the team a chance to work him back in a bit more slowly against NPU and Millikin, both at home, and both games very winable (based on how Wheaton handles NPU without Wiele, and beating Millikin without Raymond)...they might just have him in near the end to shoot free throws!
If I hear anything else, I'll let you know.  Kent will probably want to pay this week, though, because he is so competitive.

[AndOne]

when do they think that  kent raymond  is going to be back that will really help the thunder

I have no information other than what I saw last night. Raymond went out before the game to recieve recognition for his 2,000 pt milestone and he was not wearing a boot and was walking without a limp. watching him move before the game I would think he is getting pretty close. I don't know if he will play @NCC but I wouldn't be surprised to see him give it a go this week in one or both of Wheaton's games. It remains to be seen how effective he may be but I am surprised to see him moving so well (albeit just walking) at this point.

I am not a big believer in "must win" games but I think Wheaton's game at NCC Wednesday is about as close to that as you can come for the Thunder. They have a brutal stretch of road games to play (@Augie, @IWu, @Elmhurst, @Carthage) in addition to home games vs Millikin, NP, and NCC. They need to go at least 6-2 the rest of the way to have a chance at hosting the CCIW tournament which means they have to win 3 of their 5 road games in addition to their 3 remaining home games. seems like a tough road to hoe with a hobbled Raymond.

"was walking without a limp"
"a hobbled Raymond"

Isn't that saying 2 different things 

And now for the true story we turn to a report from our investigation reporter, Mr. Usee, who has gotten to the bottom of this situation! 

AO,

I really took you for a smarter guy than that!!?? I would think even you would know the difference between a player walking straight ahead in street clothes (without a limp) and a player playing in a high impact college basketball game less than 2 weeks after a high ankle sprain (hobbled??).  8)

Perhaps smarter than you may think U--

Looks like we may be a victim of some misinformation here. Looking back over several of the posts relative to Raymond's injury, it seems there has been much speculation, but no real proof that he did indeed sustain a high ankle sprain. If he is walking "without a limp" and "walking fine" since he got out of a boot last Wednesday, it seems highly unlikely that his injury was a high ankle sprain at all.   

A high ankle sprain injures the large ligament above the ankle that joins together the 2 bones of the lower leg, the tibia and fibula. This ligament is known as the syndesmosis (pronounced SIN-des-MOE-sis) or sydesmotic ligament. These injuries tend to not heal as well as more common ankle sprains. If the orthoprdic surgeon determines that the injury is stable, the usual treatment plan is to immobilize the high ankle sprain in a boot, or boot and cast for a period of 6 weeks. This initial 6 week period then may need to be followed by a period of physical therapy. Accordingly, if Kent is able to play now, 12 days after the injury, or in the near future, it appears highly unlikely that he sustained a high ankle sprain, but rather a Grade I or II low (regular) ankle sprain.

[robberki]

FYI:  I received a letter last week from NP's Athletic Director, Dr. Jack Surridge.  He mentioned one hurdle (in his five year plan for athletics) pertains to a coaching disparity.  His research concluded that when comparing identical sport offerings against CCIW schools, NP has 5.8 less full-time equivalent coaches than the league.  I don't have the actual report so I don't know if this means coaches who are employed full time on campus or employed full time as coaches. 

The silence from the other usual North Park contributors to these discussions is deafening.

DGP

what would you like me to say dennis?

[Naperick]

New D3hoops.com poll is out

Wheaton fell to 7th, Augustana stayed at 15th, and Elmhurst moved up two spots to 17th.

ILL Wesleyan is still #1 in the womens poll.

http://d3hoops.com/top25/

[Naperick]

and North Central is 36th and Carthage is 40th.

[izzy stradlin]

when do they think that  kent raymond  is going to be back that will really help the thunder

I have no information other than what I saw last night. Raymond went out before the game to recieve recognition for his 2,000 pt milestone and he was not wearing a boot and was walking without a limp. watching him move before the game I would think he is getting pretty close. I don't know if he will play @NCC but I wouldn't be surprised to see him give it a go this week in one or both of Wheaton's games. It remains to be seen how effective he may be but I am surprised to see him moving so well (albeit just walking) at this point.

I am not a big believer in "must win" games but I think Wheaton's game at NCC Wednesday is about as close to that as you can come for the Thunder. They have a brutal stretch of road games to play (@Augie, @IWu, @Elmhurst, @Carthage) in addition to home games vs Millikin, NP, and NCC. They need to go at least 6-2 the rest of the way to have a chance at hosting the CCIW tournament which means they have to win 3 of their 5 road games in addition to their 3 remaining home games. seems like a tough road to hoe with a hobbled Raymond.

"was walking without a limp"
"a hobbled Raymond"

Isn't that saying 2 different things 

And now for the true story we turn to a report from our investigation reporter, Mr. Usee, who has gotten to the bottom of this situation! 

AO,

I really took you for a smarter guy than that!!?? I would think even you would know the difference between a player walking straight ahead in street clothes (without a limp) and a player playing in a high impact college basketball game less than 2 weeks after a high ankle sprain (hobbled??).  8)

Perhaps smarter than you may think U--

Looks like we may be a victim of some misinformation here. Looking back over several of the posts relative to Raymond's injury, it seems there has been much speculation, but no real proof that he did indeed sustain a high ankle sprain. If he is walking "without a limp" and "walking fine" since he got out of a boot last Wednesday, it seems highly unlikely that his injury was a high ankle sprain at all.   

A high ankle sprain injures the large ligament above the ankle that joins together the 2 bones of the lower leg, the tibia and fibula. This ligament is known as the syndesmosis (pronounced SIN-des-MOE-sis) or sydesmotic ligament. These injuries tend to not heal as well as more common ankle sprains. If the orthoprdic surgeon determines that the injury is stable, the usual treatment plan is to immobilize the high ankle sprain in a boot, or boot and cast for a period of 6 weeks. This initial 6 week period then may need to be followed by a period of physical therapy. Accordingly, if Kent is able to play now, 12 days after the injury, or in the near future, it appears highly unlikely that he sustained a high ankle sprain, but rather a Grade I or II low (regular) ankle sprain.

This is not completely true.  There is no predetermined 6 week course of immobilization following diagnosis.   Raymond could have sustained a high ankle sprain and be back on the court in 2 weeks--  it wouldn't be that uncommon.

[Mr. Ypsi]

New D3hoops.com poll is out

Wheaton fell to 7th, Augustana stayed at 15th, and Elmhurst moved up two spots to 17th.

ILL Wesleyan is still #1 in the womens poll.

http://d3hoops.com/top25/

Actually, the Titan women take over #1 for the first time in their history - Rochester was #1 last week.

[usee]

FYI:  I received a letter last week from NP's Athletic Director, Dr. Jack Surridge.  He mentioned one hurdle (in his five year plan for athletics) pertains to a coaching disparity.  His research concluded that when comparing identical sport offerings against CCIW schools, NP has 5.8 less full-time equivalent coaches than the league.  I don't have the actual report so I don't know if this means coaches who are employed full time on campus or employed full time as coaches. 

The silence from the other usual North Park contributors to these discussions is deafening.

DGP

what would you like me to say dennis?

It's too late. There can be nothing more to add. You only had 2 hrs and 50 minutes to respond to the first post and you muffed it. 

[usee]

Perhaps smarter than you may think U--

Looks like we may be a victim of some misinformation here. Looking back over several of the posts relative to Raymond's injury, it seems there has been much speculation, but no real proof that he did indeed sustain a high ankle sprain. If he is walking "without a limp" and "walking fine" since he got out of a boot last Wednesday, it seems highly unlikely that his injury was a high ankle sprain at all.   

A high ankle sprain injures the large ligament above the ankle that joins together the 2 bones of the lower leg, the tibia and fibula. This ligament is known as the syndesmosis (pronounced SIN-des-MOE-sis) or sydesmotic ligament. These injuries tend to not heal as well as more common ankle sprains. If the orthoprdic surgeon determines that the injury is stable, the usual treatment plan is to immobilize the high ankle sprain in a boot, or boot and cast for a period of 6 weeks. This initial 6 week period then may need to be followed by a period of physical therapy. Accordingly, if Kent is able to play now, 12 days after the injury, or in the near future, it appears highly unlikely that he sustained a high ankle sprain, but rather a Grade I or II low (regular) ankle sprain.

Thank you Dr. AO. I am going with Chief Surgeon Izzy's diagnosis.  8)

[AndOne]

All I can say is that if Chief Surgeon Izzy is your doctor, you better get a second opinion! 
That, and my bill is in the mail! 

[Dennis_Prikkel]

FYI:  I received a letter last week from NP's Athletic Director, Dr. Jack Surridge.  He mentioned one hurdle (in his five year plan for athletics) pertains to a coaching disparity.  His research concluded that when comparing identical sport offerings against CCIW schools, NP has 5.8 less full-time equivalent coaches than the league.  I don't have the actual report so I don't know if this means coaches who are employed full time on campus or employed full time as coaches. 

The silence from the other usual North Park contributors to these discussions is deafening.
DGP

what would you like me to say dennis?

Well, Bob, I want to hear the usual litany of what a great job the coaching staff is doing.

I want to hear about "rules of thumb".

I want to hear about a team, and an overall athletic program, that is competitive in the league it chooses to compete in.

That's what I want to hear - that's what I've been hearing for years when I and others have complained about the lack of competitive teams at North Park.  I want to hear about alumni that stay away in droves from a gym that once rocked with their presence.

I want to hear that things are chaning for the better in North Park athletics.

That's what I want you to say, Bob.

DGP

[Dennis_Prikkel]

There's a great Covenant hymn written both for the Chicago Cubs and North Park athletics:

"We Wait for That Bright and Glorious Day"

DGP

still waiting....

[robberki]

Well, how would you solve the problem? Let's pretend for a second that I can grant any wish, how would you make the teams more competitive?

[Mr. Ypsi]

Well, how would you solve the problem? Let's pretend for a second that I can grant any wish, how would you make the teams more competitive?

Step one: check for remaining eligibility of all members of national title teams.

Step two: now you got me.

[For nearly all other teams, my sincere sympathies.  For men's BB, you've still got 5 times as many national titles as the rest of the conference combined, so it will take me a bit longer. ]

[Dennis_Prikkel]

Well, how would you solve the problem? Let's pretend for a second that I can grant any wish, how would you make the teams more competitive?

I would go to Rob Berki and ask him what he would do - he certainly had all the answers a couple of years ago.

dgp