MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

[Dennis_Prikkel]

January 28 
Augustana @ North Park, 7:30 p.m. 
Elmhurst @ Carthage, 7:30 p.m. 
Millikin @ Ill. Wesleyan, 7:30 p.m. 
Wheaton @ North Central, 7:30 p.m.

This might be one of the most interesting slate of games this season.

Augustana lost at North Park last year coming out of the gate.
Elmhurst & Carthage battling stay on top in the loss column and two of the league's premier players.
Millikin and IWU fighting to stay alive in the league race - the one of the conference's oldest rivalries.
Wheaton and North Central (do they play for a little brass bell in basketball too?)
I saw this game last year and it was a classic.  The Cardinals have really spoiled the Thunder's fun the last two years.

DGP

[AndOne]

Time to head down to the "hanger" for the North Central-Carthage contest.

I think the NCC battle plan revolves largely around:
1. Slowing Stevie D down as much as possible as stopping him seems an impossibility.
2. Really concentrating on limiting Sean Fendley to several pts below his average.
3. Winning the battle of the boards, and not giving CC the opportunity for 2nd chance points.
4. Forcing 16-18 CC TOs.
5. Making an acceptable percentage of their free throws. At least 75 %

The Cards will need to do at least 3 of the above. If they can accomplish that, they have an excellent chance to defeat the Red Men.


We'll see how things work out!

1. Done--Steve was "held" to 5 pts below his average
2. Done--Sean Fendley was also held to 5 pts below his average
Steve D and Fendley were a combined 10 points uder their averages and the only other Red Man in double figures was Richard Williams with 10. 
3. Mostly done--Carthage outrebounded the Cards by just 1, and were limited to only 2 second chance points.
4. Close--The Cards forced 15 TOs while committing 11. Those extra 4 possessions were important in the final margin of victory.
5. Done--The Cards were 17/22 or 77.3 percent.

     

AO, giving himself props when no one else would
You da man

BgBULLy40----

True to your screen name you are so full of bull(y)s**t its not funny.

I know you have a hard time handling the truth, but here it is. You have no idea of my intent relative to the above post which you quoted. In actuality, I was praising the job the North Central Cardinals did in getting done what was necessary in order to defeat an opponent who was favored by a majority of the posters in the CCIW "pick 'em" room. But, you would have no way of knowing what I meant because you didn't bother to ask me. Rather you exhibited your usual persona of that of an instigator. One who slithers in and makes a remark straight out of his ass with no true knowledge of the situation.

Furthermore, if you don't want to believe me as to what my intent was, I invite you to drop in either before or after a Cardinal practice or come to one of our games and ask the players themselves if they think I was blowing my own horn or applauding their efforts in getting done what was necessary to get the job done. If you could see through all your B.S. you would know that I'm the primary poster/supporter/fan of NCC basketball on line here at D3Hoops. And being that almost sole voice (with occasional appreciated support from Naperick, Cardinal Pride, & CardinalfanfromRoselle) its very convenient for you to come in try to instigate something knowing there aren't a lot of other NCC posters that are likely to tell you that you don't know what the hell you're talking about.

In the future, rather than talking out of your butt as we're all used to, why don't YOU try offering some analysis of game situations and the teams and players involved, breaking down the various facets of a game, or presenting an opinion based on research rather than your sadly misguided attempts to initiate controversy based on your deluded idea of what someone else intended when you have no idea what you are talking about. That way, maybe you can become da man. Or, at least a man.       

[Naperick]

New D3hoops.com poll is out

Wheaton fell to 7th, Augustana stayed at 15th, and Elmhurst moved up two spots to 17th.

ILL Wesleyan is still #1 in the womens poll.

http://d3hoops.com/top25/

Actually, the Titan women take over #1 for the first time in their history - Rochester was #1 last week.

My mistake.  They were #1 in another poll.

[79jaybird]

Dennis, I have stayed quiet but now I see a chance to chime in.

When you mentioned the 5-year (personal) NPU ultimatem to get competitive or entertain other options, I agree wholeheartedly.

I played football/baseball at Elmhurst back when they were not very competitive.  We competed well against everybody except the other intraconference schools.

With the NAC now established, I have thought Elmhurst and NPU would fit in nicely.  Elmhurst plays Benedictine, Aurora, CUC, Dom, etc. in almost every sport and there are many similarities between these schools.

IMO, Elmhurst does not compete wtih the other schools in terms of facilities and overall "recognition" of the involvement of athletics at the institution.

Just my two cents but I would think EC and NPU would compete more annually and in more sports in perhaps the NAC or MWC.

[Gregory Sager]

Time to head down to the "hanger" for the North Central-Carthage contest.

I think the NCC battle plan revolves largely around:
1. Slowing Stevie D down as much as possible as stopping him seems an impossibility.
2. Really concentrating on limiting Sean Fendley to several pts below his average.
3. Winning the battle of the boards, and not giving CC the opportunity for 2nd chance points.
4. Forcing 16-18 CC TOs.
5. Making an acceptable percentage of their free throws. At least 75 %

The Cards will need to do at least 3 of the above. If they can accomplish that, they have an excellent chance to defeat the Red Men.


We'll see how things work out!

1. Done--Steve was "held" to 5 pts below his average
2. Done--Sean Fendley was also held to 5 pts below his average
Steve D and Fendley were a combined 10 points uder their averages and the only other Red Man in double figures was Richard Williams with 10. 
3. Mostly done--Carthage outrebounded the Cards by just 1, and were limited to only 2 second chance points.
4. Close--The Cards forced 15 TOs while committing 11. Those extra 4 possessions were important in the final margin of victory.
5. Done--The Cards were 17/22 or 77.3 percent.

     

AO, giving himself props when no one else would
You da man

BgBULLy40----

True to your screen name you are so full of bull(y)s**t its not funny.

I know you have a hard time handling the truth, but here it is. You have no idea of my intent relative to the above post which you quoted. In actuality, I was praising the job the North Central Cardinals did in getting done what was necessary in order to defeat an opponent who was favored by a majority of the posters in the CCIW "pick 'em" room. But, you would have no way of knowing what I meant because you didn't bother to ask me. Rather you exhibited your usual persona of that of an instigator. One who slithers in and makes a remark straight out of his ass with no true knowledge of the situation.

Furthermore, if you don't want to believe me as to what my intent was, I invite you to drop in either before or after a Cardinal practice or come to one of our games and ask the players themselves if they think I was blowing my own horn or applauding their efforts in getting done what was necessary to get the job done. If you could see through all your B.S. you would know that I'm the primary poster/supporter/fan of NCC basketball on line here at D3Hoops. And being that almost sole voice (with occasional appreciated support from Naperick, Cardinal Pride, & CardinalfanfromRoselle) its very convenient for you to come in try to instigate something knowing there aren't a lot of other NCC posters that are likely to tell you that you don't know what the hell you're talking about.

In the future, rather than talking out of your butt as we're all used to, why don't YOU try offering some analysis of game situations and the teams and players involved, breaking down the various facets of a game, or presenting an opinion based on research rather than your sadly misguided attempts to initiate controversy based on your deluded idea of what someone else intended when you have no idea what you are talking about. That way, maybe you can become da man. Or, at least a man.       

I realize that it's just a coincidence, but this is nevertheless a very nicely-timed dustup between our most prominent fan of Red DuPage School and one of our longest-tenured posters from Orange DuPage School ... or, as I like to call them, the Little Brass Belligerents.

[Dennis_Prikkel]

"Little Brass Belligerents"   

even I had to give you a +K for that one.   

DGP

[Dennis_Prikkel]

Dennis, I have stayed quiet but now I see a chance to chime in.

When you mentioned the 5-year (personal) NPU ultimatem to get competitive or entertain other options, I agree wholeheartedly.

I played football/baseball at Elmhurst back when they were not very competitive.  We competed well against everybody except the other intraconference schools.

With the NAC now established, I have thought Elmhurst and NPU would fit in nicely.  Elmhurst plays Benedictine, Aurora, CUC, Dom, etc. in almost every sport and there are many similarities between these schools.

IMO, Elmhurst does not compete wtih the other schools in terms of facilities and overall "recognition" of the involvement of athletics at the institution.

Just my two cents but I would think EC and NPU would compete more annually and in more sports in perhaps the NAC or MWC.

Actually that was the original idea behind the Chicago metro Conference, a short-lived conference for women's athletics that Dan McCarrell, then AD at North PArk, and Al Ackermann, than AD at Elmhurst set up in the late seventies and early eighties.  It included six CCIW schools (minus, Augie, IWU and Millikin - Carroll was still in the CCIW) and Concordia.  I want to also say it included George Williams (but I'm not sure if that school was already closed by then).  I think Elmhurst won its first two national volleyball championships while the CMC was in existence.

After about five years the CMC league folded because the downstate schools threatened to pull out of the CCIW and form a new league that included Wabash and DePauw, and North Central and Wheaton said they would join them.  Thus CMC.

[79jaybird]

IMO,  when the NAC was forming and started to operate as a functioning conference, I thought it would be a great fit for EC as they have local established rivalries, similar status in terms of finances and facilities, and competitive historical records (wins/losses) against those schools. 
This is not knocking my Alma Mater, rather just a trend I have noticed over the years that Elmhurst really struggles to compete in many facets in the CCIW.

[andrewmp]

From what I have heard, Raymond is practicing today and is going to try and play tomorrow.  This is, of course, unofficial, and more a player's comment rather than a coach's comment.  Again, it may be more Kent's competitve side rather than reality.  We shall see.  If he sees any action tomorrow, it would be far ahead of what any of us originally thought...I was in the boat of hoping he would be back for the Confrence tourney, and held onto a slim hope of him being ready in three weeks.  For there to be talk of him even possibly playing the day before the game two weeks after suffering a "high" ankle sprain bodes well for Wheaton. 

[dansand]

Dennis, I have stayed quiet but now I see a chance to chime in.

When you mentioned the 5-year (personal) NPU ultimatem to get competitive or entertain other options, I agree wholeheartedly.

I played football/baseball at Elmhurst back when they were not very competitive.  We competed well against everybody except the other intraconference schools.

With the NAC now established, I have thought Elmhurst and NPU would fit in nicely.  Elmhurst plays Benedictine, Aurora, CUC, Dom, etc. in almost every sport and there are many similarities between these schools.

IMO, Elmhurst does not compete wtih the other schools in terms of facilities and overall "recognition" of the involvement of athletics at the institution.

Just my two cents but I would think EC and NPU would compete more annually and in more sports in perhaps the NAC or MWC.

Actually that was the original idea behind the Chicago metro Conference, a short-lived conference for women's athletics that Dan McCarrell, then AD at North PArk, and Al Ackermann, than AD at Elmhurst set up in the late seventies and early eighties.  It included six CCIW schools (minus, Augie, IWU and Millikin - Carroll was still in the CCIW) and Concordia.  I want to also say it included George Williams (but I'm not sure if that school was already closed by then).  I think Elmhurst won its first two national volleyball championships while the CMC was in existence.

After about five years the CMC league folded because the downstate schools threatened to pull out of the CCIW and form a new league that included Wabash and DePauw, and North Central and Wheaton said they would join them.  Thus CMC.

Just to clarify for those whose CCIW history doesn't go back that far, this was before the CCIW sponsored women's competition, which I believe started in the 1986-87 school year.

[wheels81]

Time to head down to the "hanger" for the North Central-Carthage contest.

I think the NCC battle plan revolves largely around:
1. Slowing Stevie D down as much as possible as stopping him seems an impossibility.
2. Really concentrating on limiting Sean Fendley to several pts below his average.
3. Winning the battle of the boards, and not giving CC the opportunity for 2nd chance points.
4. Forcing 16-18 CC TOs.
5. Making an acceptable percentage of their free throws. At least 75 %

The Cards will need to do at least 3 of the above. If they can accomplish that, they have an excellent chance to defeat the Red Men.


We'll see how things work out!

1. Done--Steve was "held" to 5 pts below his average
2. Done--Sean Fendley was also held to 5 pts below his average
Steve D and Fendley were a combined 10 points uder their averages and the only other Red Man in double figures was Richard Williams with 10. 
3. Mostly done--Carthage outrebounded the Cards by just 1, and were limited to only 2 second chance points.
4. Close--The Cards forced 15 TOs while committing 11. Those extra 4 possessions were important in the final margin of victory.
5. Done--The Cards were 17/22 or 77.3 percent.

     

AO, giving himself props when no one else would
You da man

BgBULLy40----

True to your screen name you are so full of bull(y)s**t its not funny.

I know you have a hard time handling the truth, but here it is. You have no idea of my intent relative to the above post which you quoted. In actuality, I was praising the job the North Central Cardinals did in getting done what was necessary in order to defeat an opponent who was favored by a majority of the posters in the CCIW "pick 'em" room. But, you would have no way of knowing what I meant because you didn't bother to ask me. Rather you exhibited your usual persona of that of an instigator. One who slithers in and makes a remark straight out of his ass with no true knowledge of the situation.

Furthermore, if you don't want to believe me as to what my intent was, I invite you to drop in either before or after a Cardinal practice or come to one of our games and ask the players themselves if they think I was blowing my own horn or applauding their efforts in getting done what was necessary to get the job done. If you could see through all your B.S. you would know that I'm the primary poster/supporter/fan of NCC basketball on line here at D3Hoops. And being that almost sole voice (with occasional appreciated support from Naperick, Cardinal Pride, & CardinalfanfromRoselle) its very convenient for you to come in try to instigate something knowing there aren't a lot of other NCC posters that are likely to tell you that you don't know what the hell you're talking about.

In the future, rather than talking out of your butt as we're all used to, why don't YOU try offering some analysis of game situations and the teams and players involved, breaking down the various facets of a game, or presenting an opinion based on research rather than your sadly misguided attempts to initiate controversy based on your deluded idea of what someone else intended when you have no idea what you are talking about. That way, maybe you can become da man. Or, at least a man.       

I had no idea what your intention was other than the fact you were just checking off what you predicted.  If someone else pointed it out that would be one thing but you pointed it out so I thought I'd "nudge" you a little hence the " " but apparently I hit a nerve and you went all postal.   Wow,  me thinks you doth protest too much.  

[79jaybird]

If I was Wheaton, I wouldn't rush Raymond back into the lineup because (and from personal experience) when you rush back after an injury, the chances of you reaggravating that injury is high.

[wheels81]

I fear that w/o Raymond back Wheaton will have a tough time winning against the naperville red birds on saturday.  As pointed out before their recent record in the "hangar" has been dismal.   Unless Panner, Wiele, and Jahns, shake the funk they are in at the line and with the 3 ball it will be a long night.  I don't expect the 2 freshman to carry the team but they provide a good supporting cast that can feed off their leadership.   Can Raymond be the designated free throw shooter ?  PLEASE!!!!!

[augiefan]

If I was Wheaton, I wouldn't rush Raymond back into the lineup because (and from personal experience) when you rush back after an injury, the chances of you reaggravating that injury is high.

I vote for holding Raymond out until after the Augie game on Saturday .

[Titan Q]

IWU's Christina Solari had 13 pts, 8 reb, and 10 assists tonight in a game vs Elmhurst.  That got me wondering when the last CCIW triple-double was.  Anyone recall one?