MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

[wheels81]

The last page of this board is greatness....as if a college basketball coach hasn't used foul language before..language that might shock people if used in a different setting. I mean, I know it's Wheaton and all but people still swear sometimes.

Shirley you jest - oh folically-challenged one - certainly you have never signed the pledge page that "ALL" Wheaton faculty and staff must sign.   

Just the admission of harboring the thought of throwing a chair.... V.Raymond Edman is spinning in his grave.   

Somehow I just can not picture Ed Coray ever getting upset either.   

DP,

It's no longer called the "Pledge" and faculty/staff are not bound to it off duty like before.   The college as an employer cannot control or put regulations on those activities outside of the work setting.  All you Chicago norsemen need to realize the old "pledge" is history and the dancing ban has been lifted.  

The last page of this board is greatness....as if a college basketball coach hasn't used foul language before..language that might shock people if used in a different setting. I mean, I know it's Wheaton and all but people still swear sometimes.

+K for RB for the last line except being around campus a lot I would say the word sometimes is very gracious.

GS
If ESPN is bringing back the beat the Swami or whatever that guy's name is, you should audition for being his replacement. 
Or may try for the Jeff Foxworthy show but being from the city you may not be "red-necked" enough.

Which Jeff Foxworthy show? This one?

yup or maybe you can replace Larry the cable guy when his blue collar tour resumes

[Dennis_Prikkel]

The last page of this board is greatness....as if a college basketball coach hasn't used foul language before..language that might shock people if used in a different setting. I mean, I know it's Wheaton and all but people still swear sometimes.

Shirley you jest - oh folically-challenged one - certainly you have never signed the pledge page that "ALL" Wheaton faculty and staff must sign.   

Just the admission of harboring the thought of throwing a chair.... V.Raymond Edman is spinning in his grave.   

Somehow I just can not picture Ed Coray ever getting upset either.   

I waived at you yesterday and you just starred at me.

sorry - its that vision thing - plus you were sitting next to Cardinal Tepke - and its best not to let him know that you know me.

[Dennis_Prikkel]

The last page of this board is greatness....as if a college basketball coach hasn't used foul language before..language that might shock people if used in a different setting. I mean, I know it's Wheaton and all but people still swear sometimes.

Shirley you jest - oh folically-challenged one - certainly you have never signed the pledge page that "ALL" Wheaton faculty and staff must sign.   

Just the admission of harboring the thought of throwing a chair.... V.Raymond Edman is spinning in his grave.   

Somehow I just can not picture Ed Coray ever getting upset either.   

I waived at you yesterday and you just starred at me.

"Waived" - does that mean that I am no longer officially a North Park alum - which school did I get sent to?   

Will somebody pick me up off waivers?
Or am I destined to be teamless, school-less and clueless?

DGP

[Titan Q]

Quoting Coach Bosko Djurickovic on the Jan. 28 Elmhurst Game: "It was a non-contest," said Carthage coach Bosko Djurickovic, "and if it was a prize fight, they would have stopped it.  I have no excuses.  We've been too accepting of mediocre play, and that's what we had tonight.  We were not competitive.  We missed too many shots early that would have kept us in the game.  Tonight, Elmhurst was a national-championship-caliber basketball team.  They are also a team that lost a home game to Millikin and were nine down to North Central with seven minutes to go.  Our preparation for this game was good, but the Elmhurst defense was better.  We're just so unphysical, and we couldn't find shots more for Sean Fendley.  Steve Djurickovic got his points after the game was decided.  If we have any character, we'll be more ready to compete on Saturday against North Park. 

http://www.carthage.edu/athleticspages/mens/basketball/release.html

[AndOne]

It seems that the North Central Cardinals are playing with a bit of a chip on their shoulders. Determined to turn some heads they have banded together realizing perhaps that after beginning the season as an afterthought in the conference race, their full potential could only be attained through chemistry and teamwork. At the beginning of last night's game with Wheaton in the fabled "hanger," I immediately noticed how it seemed every NCC player was guarding a taller, bigger opponent.

However, instead of being discouraged, the Cardinals seemed to relish the challenge. After being behind by as many as six points for the 1st 11 minutes, NC finally took the lead for good at 8:58 on a Mitch Raridon three, and never looked back. By halftime they had transposed the earlier Wheaton six point lead into a like advantage of their own. In the 2nd half, they efficiently and steadily tacked another 10 points onto their halftime lead primarily through pounding the ball inside and overwhelming what appeared to be a tired and frustrated Wheaton defense. The insertion of superstar Kent Raymond into the Thunder lineup did nothing to suppress the Cardinal onslaught, although Raymond, coming off an ankle injury of 2 weeks duration, was clearly not himself. However, had Raymond been himself, I don't believe the outcome would have been any different as he would have only registered the points others converted in his place. The Cardinals confidence level is such that, in speaking with a couple of them prior to the commencement of festivities, they indicated Raymond would play as they looked forward to the challenge he potentially presented.

Among the specifics that defined the Cardinal victory over the nation's number 7 ranked team were the following:
1. The Cards relentless attack on the Thunder's interior defense. Chris Drennan drove his defenders crazy in the 1st half with a series of alternating drives and spinning turnaround jumpers, and Matt Rogers dominated the 2nd half by driving straight at the gut of the Wheaton defense and going around, under, over, and through the bewildered defenders. Rogers literally wore Wheaton's Andy Wiele down to the point where Wiele was basically gassed and was noticeably struggling to get up and down the floor.
2. Despite a decided height disadvantage at every position, the Cards were out rebounded by only 1 (30/29). Chris Drennan had 7 boards, and Matt Rogers, a team high 8.
3. The Cards limited Wheaton's often very dangerous perimeter arsenal to 3/15 shooting from behind the arc. Prince, Barringer, and Twyman were inside the Thunder jerseys.
4. The Cards won another turnover battle. NCC committed 8 TOs in the 1st half, but cut that in half in the 2nd stanza while forcing 15 Wheaton TOs.
5. Continuing their recovery from recently being confined to the Free Throw Intensive Care ward, NCC hit 79 percent from the line, highlighted by Mitch Raridon and Reid Barringer each converting a perfect 6/6.
6. North Central put up 81 points in outscoring the Thunder by 15. They were led by Rogers with 20 off the bench, Drennan with 18, and Raridon with 17.

As previously reported, the refs stunk up the place, and Kent Raymond played hurt and was not 100 percent. However, the Cards victory was due neither to bad calls by the reds, nor Raymond;s being less than 100 percent.     
 

[pistol]

Forget the silly .475 multiplier nonsense for best team defense...
IMHO, NCC plays the best half court, help line, ball level defense. They are not deep, not quick, and not big but unlike a few teams in this league, they out work teams on the defensive end.
See IWU and CC. Maybe when they grow up they should watch a NCC game tape.

[robertgoulet]

It seems that the North Central Cardinals are playing with a bit of a chip on their shoulders. Determined to turn some heads they have banded together realizing perhaps that after beginning the season as an afterthought in the conference race, their full potential could only be attained through chemistry and teamwork. At the beginning of last night's game with Wheaton in the fabled "hanger," I immediately noticed how it seemed every NCC player was guarding a taller, bigger opponent.

However, instead of being discouraged, the Cardinals seemed to relish the challenge. After being behind by as many as six points for the 1st 11 minutes, NC finally took the lead for good at 8:58 on a Mitch Raridon three, and never looked back. By halftime they had transposed the earlier Wheaton six point lead into a like advantage of their own. In the 2nd half, they efficiently and steadily tacked another 10 points onto their halftime lead primarily through pounding the ball inside and overwhelming what appeared to be a tired and frustrated Wheaton defense. The insertion of superstar Kent Raymond into the Thunder lineup did nothing to suppress the Cardinal onslaught, although Raymond, coming off an ankle injury of 2 weeks duration, was clearly not himself. However, had Raymond been himself, I don't believe the outcome would have been any different as he would have only registered the points others converted in his place. The Cardinals confidence level is such that, in speaking with a couple of them prior to the commencement of festivities, they indicated Raymond would play as they looked forward to the challenge he potentially presented.

Among the specifics that defined the Cardinal victory over the nation's number 7 ranked team were the following:
1. The Cards relentless attack on the Thunder's interior defense. Chris Drennan drove his defenders crazy in the 1st half with a series of alternating drives and spinning turnaround jumpers, and Matt Rogers dominated the 2nd half by driving straight at the gut of the Wheaton defense and going around, under, over, and through the bewildered defenders. Rogers literally wore Wheaton's Andy Wiele down to the point where Wiele was basically gassed and was noticeably struggling to get up and down the floor.
2. Despite a decided height disadvantage at every position, the Cards were out rebounded by only 1 (30/29). Chris Drennan had 7 boards, and Matt Rogers, a team high 8.
3. The Cards limited Wheaton's often very dangerous perimeter arsenal to 3/15 shooting from behind the arc. Prince, Barringer, and Twyman were inside the Thunder jerseys.
4. The Cards won another turnover battle. NCC committed 8 TOs in the 1st half, but cut that in half in the 2nd stanza while forcing 15 Wheaton TOs.
5. Continuing their recovery from recently being confined to the Free Throw Intensive Care ward, NCC hit 79 percent from the line, highlighted by Mitch Raridon and Reid Barringer each converting a perfect 6/6.
6. North Central put up 81 points in outscoring the Thunder by 15. They were led by Rogers with 20 off the bench, Drennan with 18, and Raridon with 17.

As previously reported, the refs stunk up the place, and Kent Raymond played hurt and was not 100 percent. However, the Cards victory was due neither to bad calls by the reds, nor Raymond;s being less than 100 percent.     

AO,
I haven't seen NCC play yet this year, but they sound a bit like the University of Illinois' team, with Chemistry/teamwork/defense trumping teams that may have more individual talent/physical ability/size. Would this be a correct assumption?

[coebball70]

pistol...your accurate assessment of NCC's defense is the key to their current success.

robertgoulet...your question to AO is akin to asking a Chicagoan if this winter has been a difficult one.  You are deadly accurate as to how NCC has defeated Carthage and Wheaton.  The Cardinals are a team of good players, not a collection of 'stars' and others.

I, too, was confident that the experienced CCIW officiating crew would only contribute to a fair and well-played competition.  Instead, as early as ten minutes into the game, missed calls, make-up calls and wrongful use of technical foul calls became the focal point of the game.  Unfortunately, in the second half of the game, it became almost comical.  We all know the object of officiating is to maintain control of the game and fairly interpret the rules of the game.  When players, coachs and fans become enraged by officials who see themselves as more important than the game, the CCIW has a problem.  I only hope that both Davis and Raridon complain loud enough that this crew is 'called in' for an explanation.  I noticed a brief discussion between them immediately after the game and my hunch is the officiating was the subject of the conversation.
The officiating provided the worst professional performance of the evening.

[CCIWchamp]

IMHO, NCC plays the best half court, help line, ball level defense. They are not deep, not quick, and not big but unlike a few teams in this league, they out work teams on the defensive end.

I think this is a very fair assessment, especially in last night's game against Wheaton.  They were tenacious and constantly doubling down on Wiele.  Wheaton couldn't do much to get a flow going around that.  

As for the rest of the "NCC played well/don't downplay the game by saying the refs stunk" debate:
At the half, NCC was up by 6.  At the end of the game, the margin was essentially the same, plus a handful of freethrows (see the aforementioned T's).  The 2nd half was essentially stop and go for its entirety, and any time Wheaton got a flow going, the whistles stopped them.  Good luck putting momentum together to make up some ground, especially when the calls are so random as to disrupt anything that's going well.

While it seemed Wheaton was playing 5 on 8, the foul calls were evenly dispersed- at least on paper.  The refs were calling a game that reflects their need to better understand how officiating can affect a game and it's flow.  I believe the 2nd half took an hour to play out.  I also heard the refs were putting blistex on during time outs to treat burned lips from blistering hot whistles.  That is not yet confirmed.  The few times that NCC and Wheaton were able to make baskets or rebounds without a whistle were a welcome relief.  The game was so out of control that NCC and Wheaton should request a time to re-play the 2nd half.

If Wheaton was beaten in any regard, as both teams surrendered back door hustle plays, multiple T's,  and a fair distribution of scoring from the opposing players, it was in their inability to withstand the mental challenge that the game presented.  In a tough gym, with tough refs, with players still recuperating, and coming off back-to-back losses after a strong 1st half of the season, the game represented a challenge that required more than just skill and ability.  If Wheaton wants to show that they are capable of regaining their #1 form, they need to step up to the challenge and find the mental toughness to pull these games out.  I'm confident they'll see this as a learning game, and realize the CCIW is full of challenges for the rest of the season, and if they can win these, they can win against most other teams.  

NCC played a strong, even game, applied pressure as needed, and outlasted their opponent once they had the lead.  Good hustle and great D as mentioned.  I'd love to see the teams match up again.  

[dansand]

Forget the silly .475 multiplier nonsense for best team defense...
IMHO, NCC plays the best half court, help line, ball level defense. They are not deep, not quick, and not big but unlike a few teams in this league, they out work teams on the defensive end.
See IWU and CC. Maybe when they grow up they should watch a NCC game tape.

Pistol,

I'm not sure you're grasping the entire concept, but it actually supports your argument...to an extent:

North Central
2007-08 (10-15): 111.3 points allowed per 100 possessions
2008-09 (13-5):    97.1 points allowed per 100 possessions

[AndOne]

pistol...your accurate assessment of NCC's defense is the key to their current success.

robertgoulet...your question to AO is akin to asking a Chicagoan if this winter has been a difficult one.  You are deadly accurate as to how NCC has defeated Carthage and Wheaton.  The Cardinals are a team of good players, not a collection of 'stars' and others.

I, too, was confident that the experienced CCIW officiating crew would only contribute to a fair and well-played competition.  Instead, as early as ten minutes into the game, missed calls, make-up calls and wrongful use of technical foul calls became the focal point of the game.  Unfortunately, in the second half of the game, it became almost comical.  We all know the object of officiating is to maintain control of the game and fairly interpret the rules of the game.  When players, coachs and fans become enraged by officials who see themselves as more important than the game, the CCIW has a problem.  I only hope that both Davis and Raridon complain loud enough that this crew is 'called in' for an explanation.  I noticed a brief discussion between them immediately after the game and my hunch is the officiating was the subject of the conversation.
The officiating provided the worst professional performance of the evening.

Coebball--

Yes, your are right on in your assessment that I would be quick to agree with Robertgoulet's analysis.

You also said it right about the disgraceful performance from the officials. Particularly that of Donald Olson. I do hope Coaches Harris (not Davis) and Raridon request a league office review. As I said previously I have seen Fritz Larson do what I at least think is some of the finest officiating in the conference. I hope he doesn't get saddled working with those other two stiffs again.

[AndOne]

Forget the silly .475 multiplier nonsense for best team defense...
IMHO, NCC plays the best half court, help line, ball level defense. They are not deep, not quick, and not big but unlike a few teams in this league, they out work teams on the defensive end.
See IWU and CC. Maybe when they grow up they should watch a NCC game tape.

Pistol---

The current level of cohesiveness on the part of the NCC Cardinals actually reflects one of the benefits of summer league play. As early as last summer, most of the Cardinals realized they would often be the underdog this season due primarily to lack of height, and inability to close out close games. Accordingly, they began fostering a renewed sense of unity/chemistry and worked to develop a help based defensive philosophy.
Once practice officially began, the coaches spent much more time on defense than they had in previous campaigns. That extra work is now paying dividends.

[AndOne]

IMHO, NCC plays the best half court, help line, ball level defense. They are not deep, not quick, and not big but unlike a few teams in this league, they out work teams on the defensive end.

I think this is a very fair assessment, especially in last night's game against Wheaton.  They were tenacious and constantly doubling down on Wiele.  Wheaton couldn't do much to get a flow going around that.  

As for the rest of the "NCC played well/don't downplay the game by saying the refs stunk" debate:
At the half, NCC was up by 6.  At the end of the game, the margin was essentially the same, plus a handful of freethrows (see the aforementioned T's).  The 2nd half was essentially stop and go for its entirety, and any time Wheaton got a flow going, the whistles stopped them.  Good luck putting momentum together to make up some ground, especially when the calls are so random as to disrupt anything that's going well.

While it seemed Wheaton was playing 5 on 8, the foul calls were evenly dispersed- at least on paper.  The refs were calling a game that reflects their need to better understand how officiating can affect a game and it's flow.  I believe the 2nd half took an hour to play out.  I also heard the refs were putting blistex on during time outs to treat burned lips from blistering hot whistles.  That is not yet confirmed.  The few times that NCC and Wheaton were able to make baskets or rebounds without a whistle were a welcome relief.  The game was so out of control that NCC and Wheaton should request a time to re-play the 2nd half.

If Wheaton was beaten in any regard, as both teams surrendered back door hustle plays, multiple T's,  and a fair distribution of scoring from the opposing players, it was in their inability to withstand the mental challenge that the game presented.  In a tough gym, with tough refs, with players still recuperating, and coming off back-to-back losses after a strong 1st half of the season, the game represented a challenge that required more than just skill and ability.  If Wheaton wants to show that they are capable of regaining their #1 form, they need to step up to the challenge and find the mental toughness to pull these games out.  I'm confident they'll see this as a learning game, and realize the CCIW is full of challenges for the rest of the season, and if they can win these, they can win against most other teams.  

NCC played a strong, even game, applied pressure as needed, and outlasted their opponent once they had the lead.  Good hustle and great D as mentioned.  I'd love to see the teams match up again.  

CCIW----

First you say NCC plays "the best half court, help line, ball level defense."
Then you say "anytime Wheaton got a flow going, the whistles stopped them."

I'm confused what you're saying. Was it NCC's defense that stopped the Thunder, the refs, or both? You can't have it both ways. And keep in mind that while Wheaton led the technical foul prade, the foul totals were 28 for Wheaton and 29 for the Cards who were actually whistled for one more foul than wree the Thunder.

Can you tell us exactly what you mean?

[cardinalpride]

IMHO, NCC plays the best half court, help line, ball level defense. They are not deep, not quick, and not big but unlike a few teams in this league, they out work teams on the defensive end. [/color]

I think this is a very fair assessment, especially in last night's game against Wheaton.  They were tenacious and constantly doubling down on Wiele.  Wheaton couldn't do much to get a flow going around that.  

As for the rest of the "NCC played well/don't downplay the game by saying the refs stunk" debate:
At the half, NCC was up by 6.  At the end of the game, the margin was essentially the same, plus a handful of freethrows (see the aforementioned T's).  The 2nd half was essentially stop and go for its entirety, and any time Wheaton got a flow going, the whistles stopped them.  Good luck putting momentum together to make up some ground, especially when the calls are so random as to disrupt anything that's going well.

While it seemed Wheaton was playing 5 on 8, the foul calls were evenly dispersed- at least on paper.  The refs were calling a game that reflects their need to better understand how officiating can affect a game and it's flow.  I believe the 2nd half took an hour to play out.  I also heard the refs were putting blistex on during time outs to treat burned lips from blistering hot whistles.  That is not yet confirmed.  The few times that NCC and Wheaton were able to make baskets or rebounds without a whistle were a welcome relief.  The game was so out of control that NCC and Wheaton should request a time to re-play the 2nd half.

If Wheaton was beaten in any regard, as both teams surrendered back door hustle plays, multiple T's,  and a fair distribution of scoring from the opposing players, it was in their inability to withstand the mental challenge that the game presented.  In a tough gym, with tough refs, with players still recuperating, and coming off back-to-back losses after a strong 1st half of the season, the game represented a challenge that required more than just skill and ability.  If Wheaton wants to show that they are capable of regaining their #1 form, they need to step up to the challenge and find the mental toughness to pull these games out.  I'm confident they'll see this as a learning game, and realize the CCIW is full of challenges for the rest of the season, and if they can win these, they can win against most other teams.  

NCC played a strong, even game, applied pressure as needed, and outlasted their opponent once they had the lead.  Good hustle and great D as mentioned.  I'd love to see the teams match up again.  

CCIW----

First you say NCC plays "the best half court, help line, ball level defense."
Then you say "anytime Wheaton got a flow going, the whistles stopped them."

I'm confused what you're saying. Was it NCC's defense that stopped the Thunder, the refs, or both? You can't have it both ways. And keep in mind that while Wheaton led the technical foul prade, the foul totals were 28 for Wheaton and 29 for the Cards who were actually whistled for one more foul than wree the Thunder.

Can you tell us exactly what you mean?

AO,
In fairness to CCIW, it was Pistol who gave the quote!

[Titan Q]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2epAL44SsY

Still waiting for the "CCIW Shuffle."