MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

[Gregory Sager]

Rules question: what happens in the event of a tie on top of the standings?
Say if Wheaton runs the table (beating Elmhurst at Elmhurst) and Elmhurst wins all its other games?
Not a foregone conclusion, certainly, with fairly difficult games remaining (both have NCC, Carthage) both home and away, but not out of the question.
That would make both teams 11-3 and the head to head 1-1. Who wins the regular season and hosts the tournament in that case?

Here's the tiebreaker sequence, copied straight ffrom the CCIW website:

i.   Head to head competition.
ii.   Record against team(s) above the tie beginning with the highest ranked team.
iii.   Record vs team or teams in 3rd place. If still tied, go to the next place for determination, et cetera.
iv.   Road record against conference schools.
v.   Record in their last nine games.
vi.   The point spread of the tied teams' head-to head competition.
vii.   Coin toss

Don't forget...

viii.          Each school involved in tie designates a D3hoops.com poster to shoot 10 free throws in neutral CCIW gym.

Other teams better hope that it doesn't come down to viii. between them and North Central, because AndOne is all over that particular tiebreaker.

[AndOne]

Thanks for the support, Greg, but I slipped to only 17 for 20 prior to catching the bus to North Park for last night's game. Gettin' old!      

[petemcb]

Maybe you should stop watching those old Rick Barry tapes and try overhand. 

[AndOne]

If it ain't broke don't fix it, Pete      

[usee]

Rules question: what happens in the event of a tie on top of the standings?
Say if Wheaton runs the table (beating Elmhurst at Elmhurst) and Elmhurst wins all its other games?
Not a foregone conclusion, certainly, with fairly difficult games remaining (both have NCC, Carthage) both home and away, but not out of the question.
That would make both teams 11-3 and the head to head 1-1. Who wins the regular season and hosts the tournament in that case?

Here's the tiebreaker sequence, copied straight ffrom the CCIW website:

i.   Head to head competition.
ii.   Record against team(s) above the tie beginning with the highest ranked team.
iii.   Record vs team or teams in 3rd place. If still tied, go to the next place for determination, et cetera.
iv.   Road record against conference schools.
v.   Record in their last nine games.
vi.   The point spread of the tied teams' head-to head competition.
vii.   Coin toss

Don't forget...

viii.          Each school involved in tie designates a D3hoops.com poster to shoot 10 free throws in neutral CCIW gym.

What's your FT% Q? I know Elmhurst is toast if Jaybird is at the line!

[79jaybird]

Hehe,  you DON'T want to see me play basketball.  That's not a pretty picture. 
Never could get a shot even on my driveway shooting.

[Late nite]

Hey!!---Where are all the Augie supporters---They've hit a rough patch and all the Vike posters have gone into the bunker mentality---It's easy to support a team when they're winning (White Sox and Card fans), but real fans support their team through thick and thin (Cub fans)---ALOT of thin---Let's not be front-runners---We've been on top way too long---I think the term is, "gracious in defeat"

[dansand]

Hey!!---Where are all the Augie supporters---They've hit a rough patch and all the Vike posters have gone into the bunker mentality---It's easy to support a team when they're winning (White Sox and Card fans), but real fans support their team through thick and thin (Cub fans)---ALOT of thin---Let's not be front-runners---We've been on top way too long---I think the term is, "gracious in defeat"

I'm not sure who "all the Augie supporters" are  (they've always been pretty sparse and sporadic), but don't worry Late Nite, I'm still here. I am a Cub fan so obviously not a front-runner. Actually, I thought your post #18007 pretty muched summed up the Vikings recent problems, and the Elmhurst game was no exception. Just not enough offense against good teams. Their defense Wednesday was solid against a Bluejay team that is both very good offensively and has really been on a roll lately. Playing great defense keeps Augie in games (and in the first meeting with Elmhurst it was even enough to overcome a bad night offensively), but when they don't get consistent offensive production it just makes it awfully tough to beat the league's top teams.

One difference defensively, I thought, between Wednesday's game and the first meeting was that with Justin Bertrand still not quite at full strength, the Vikes ran more weak side help over when the Bluejays entered the ball to Ruch and I think that freed up Strzemp to have much more of an impact offensively than he did at Carver.

Getting Bert back to 100% should help some with the offensive struggles, but it'll take more than just that, as they struggled at times even before he got hurt. I like how Alex Washington attacked the basket down the stretch Wednesday. Hopefully, that will continue. Carthage is up next and Augie really had trouble with their zone in Kenosha. They'll need to attack it better Saturday.

[Titan Q]

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/statecolleges/39182127.html


"The league, right now, is better than it has ever been in all the years I've been around, and that is close to 40 now as a player and a coach," said Bosko Djurickovic, in his 13th season as Carthage coach. "The league has never been as good top to bottom."

[Titan Q]

Hey!!---Where are all the Augie supporters---They've hit a rough patch and all the Vike posters have gone into the bunker mentality---It's easy to support a team when they're winning (White Sox and Card fans), but real fans support their team through thick and thin (Cub fans)---ALOT of thin---Let's not be front-runners---We've been on top way too long---I think the term is, "gracious in defeat"

This southside native and lifelong White Sox fan sure doesn't agree with this sentiment at all.  And with a father who grew up in southern Illinois as a diehard Cardinals fan, and spending lots of time in St. Louis the last 5 years or so (and now living in Missouri), I think you're absolutely nuts if you think Cardinals fans are front-runners.

[Gregory Sager]

I definitely agree that Cards fans are about as loyal as they come. But White Sox fans? When the team isn't winning, the Cell is a vast sea of empty seats. Even when the team is good, there's still not a lot of sellouts.

Check out this source:

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/attendance

In 2005, the year that the South Siders won the World Series, they drew a home average of 28,923, or 71.2% of the Cell's capacity. By contrast, the Cardinals drew a home average of 43,691, 86.8% of Busch I's capacity, while the Cubs drew an average of 38,749 fans at Wrigley, 98.0% of the seating capacity of the Friendly Confines.

So you'd think that in 2006, with all of that jubilation and the memories of the ticker-tape parade in the Loop still fresh in the minds of everyone south of Madison Street, the White Sox would fill their entire complement of seats the way that the Cubs practically do every year, right? Wrong. In 2006, the White Sox drew an average of 36,511 per home game, 89.9% of the number of seats available. That's the highest that they've ever averaged, and it was the first time that the franchise had cracked the top ten in MLB attendance. However, the Cards drew a 42,588 average (90.9%) and the Cubs drew a 39,040 average (94.9%).

This past season? The Cards averaged 42,353 (90.4%) in their new ballpark in 2008, while the Cubs averaged 40,743 (a MLB-leading 99.1%) at Wrigley. As always, both teams finished in the top ten in the majors in total attendance, average attendance, and average percentage of capacity filled. Meanwhile, the White Sox averaged 30,877 (76.0%), finishing in the lower half of the majors in both total attendance and average attendance and 13th in average percentage of capacity filled.

It's an inescapable fact that White Sox fans do not support their team as well as do Cubs fans and Cards fans in the most important way of all: Showing up at the ballpark.

[augiefan]

This Augie supporter was at the game in Elmhurst Wednesday night and went up to Madison to watch my Illini lay an egg last night. I expect better results from Augie and the Illini at home this weekend. Augie is still in the running for the CCIW tourney, and if they get a spot there, good things are are still possible for the Vikings.

By the way Dansand how is the Augie JV team doing this year? Not to get ahead of ourselves, but a lot of good seniors will be departing Rock Island after this season, so hopefully help is on the way. I have high hopes for Max Artis, if his competitive spirit is anything like his dad's. Elmhurst and Wheaton lose big time seniors this year too, so there will be a lot of new faces next year.

Also, is there any word on who Augie is recruiting in this year's group of high school seniors?

[Gregory Sager]

By the way Dansand how is the Augie JV team doing this year? Not to get ahead of oourselves, but a lot of good seniors will be departing Rock Island after this season, so hopefully help is on the way. I have high hopes for Maz Artis, if his competitive spirit is anything like his dad's. Elmhurst and Wheaton lose big time seniors this year too, so there will be a lot of new faces next year.

Don't forget North Central. NCC loses Chris Drennan, Matt Rogers, Mitch Raridon, Dean Prince, Dominique King, and Josh Corso after this season. That's gonna be a very big hit for the Cards.

[Dennis_Prikkel]

Hey!!---Where are all the Augie supporters---They've hit a rough patch and all the Vike posters have gone into the bunker mentality---It's easy to support a team when they're winning (White Sox and Card fans), but real fans support their team through thick and thin (Cub fans)---ALOT of thin---Let's not be front-runners---We've been on top way too long---I think the term is, "gracious in defeat"

I'm not sure who "all the Augie supporters" are  (they've always been pretty sparse and sporadic), but don't worry Late Nite, I'm still here. I am a Cub fan so obviously not a front-runner. Actually, I thought your post #18007 pretty muched summed up the Vikings recent problems, and the Elmhurst game was no exception. Just not enough offense against good teams. Their defense Wednesday was solid against a Bluejay team that is both very good offensively and has really been on a roll lately. Playing great defense keeps Augie in games (and in the first meeting with Elmhurst it was even enough to overcome a bad night offensively), but when they don't get consistent offensive production it just makes it awfully tough to beat the league's top teams.

One difference defensively, I thought, between Wednesday's game and the first meeting was that with Justin Bertrand still not quite at full strength, the Vikes ran more weak side help over when the Bluejays entered the ball to Ruch and I think that freed up Strzemp to have much more of an impact offensively than he did at Carver.

Getting Bert back to 100% should help some with the offensive struggles, but it'll take more than just that, as they struggled at times even before he got hurt. I like how Alex Washington attacked the basket down the stretch Wednesday. Hopefully, that will continue. Carthage is up next and Augie really had trouble with their zone in Kenosha. They'll need to attack it better Saturday.

I saw Alex Washington play for Hersey and thought he was a can't miss CCIW star.  I even told the North Park coaching staff about him.

For four years he's been at Augustana we hear these great comments about his play once in a while - and I too saw it once or twice last week against North Park.

But I think, here was a player who's potential to be an outstanding star in the CCIW was defeated by the college system he chose to play for.  Yes, he's been on three straight league championship teams, however, he could have been the star of any team that would have allowed him to use his penetrating skills on a consistent basis for 35 minutes a game.  He's had a nice career.

dgp

[voxelmhurst]

I definitely agree that Cards fans are about as loyal as they come. But White Sox fans? When the team isn't winning, the Cell is a vast sea of empty seats. Even when the team is good, there's still not a lot of sellouts.

Check out this source:

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/attendance

In 2005, the year that the South Siders won the World Series, they drew a home average of 28,923, or 71.2% of the Cell's capacity. By contrast, the Cardinals drew a home average of 43,691, 86.8% of Busch I's capacity, while the Cubs drew an average of 38,749 fans at Wrigley, 98.0% of the seating capacity of the Friendly Confines.

So you'd think that in 2006, with all of that jubilation and the memories of the ticker-tape parade in the Loop still fresh in the minds of everyone south of Madison Street, the White Sox would fill their entire complement of seats the way that the Cubs practically do every year, right? Wrong. In 2006, the White Sox drew an average of 36,511 per home game, 89.9% of the number of seats available. That's the highest that they've ever averaged, and it was the first time that the franchise had cracked the top ten in MLB attendance. However, the Cards drew a 42,588 average (90.9%) and the Cubs drew a 39,040 average (94.9%).

This past season? The Cards averaged 42,353 (90.4%) in their new ballpark in 2008, while the Cubs averaged 40,743 (a MLB-leading 99.1%) at Wrigley. As always, both teams finished in the top ten in the majors in total attendance, average attendance, and average percentage of capacity filled. Meanwhile, the White Sox averaged 30,877 (76.0%), finishing in the lower half of the majors in both total attendance and average attendance and 13th in average percentage of capacity filled.

It's an inescapable fact that White Sox fans do not support their team as well as do Cubs fans and Cards fans in the most important way of all: Showing up at the ballpark.

The stats are all true...you can't deny that, but I love this stance for three reasons:

One -  We get it.  The Cubs are a national brand with a national tourist destination as a ballpark.  The Sox are a local club.  No Sox fans have issues with this, and while all Sox fans should want to go to more games in a sold out Cell....its just not going to happen when your drawing from a much smaller fanbase. 

Two - When Cubs fans bring up this issue as a bit of banter to Sox fans, it completely ruins the popular Cubbie claim that their fans are only concerned with the Cubs and not bashing the Sox, while they say that its only the Sox fans that are obsessed with bashing the other team in town.   

Three - In the world of underachieving Chicago baseball, the best both sets of fans can do is have crutches to lean on.   The Cubbies have their attandance and "friendly confines" to lean on....whereas at least we Sox fans have a championship.   


but lets get back to CCIW chat, yes?

Speaking of fans....the Elmhurst student section seems to be a bit subdued this year, not so much in numbers, but in terms of intensity.  Chanting while sitting down.....its almost like a Bulls game.     Hopefully this will change for the Wheaton game.