MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

[oldnuthin]

HUGE game for North Central and Carthage tomorrow night up in the W portion of the CCIW.
I'm sensing that the winner has the inside track on becoming the 4th qualifier for the conference tourney. The Cardinals can either lament the fact that they would be in 1st place if they hadn't slipped up against Millikin and Wesleyan, teams I'm sure they figure they should have beaten especially after taking care of both in the 1st round of conference play, or they can step up and stay in the midst of the hunt for a conference tourney berth.
So far, no team has qualified for the conference tourney with less than 8 wins. Does anyone feel this is the year a team with 7 wins will do so?

OK D3HOOPS POSTERS---

The above post, obnoxious and controversial as it is (not), has resulted in another -K. I can certainly appreciate this happening in the case of either a senseless (name calling, racial slur etc) post, one in which you have your facts entirely incorrect, in a case where you incorrectly analyze a game which you attended, or in an instance where you make wild assumptions without providing any research/thoughts to back up your assumptions. However, when either hate, jealousy, or just downright ignorance enter the equation then its time to make a change. I understand that sometimes you'll get dinged for having the audacity to even suggest little Johnny, little Mike, or little Billy isn't the best thing the CCIW has seen for years, let alone an All-American. My experience has been in such cases, the person doing the smiting will ding you once and then let it go. But when a hateful coward continues to sneak on in the middle of almost each day or night over a 2-3 week period to smite you for no apparent reason other than hatefulness, then this exercise ceases to be enjoyable and makes you wonder why you are here. Accordingly, I'm sensing AndOne's days here are numbered. I realize no one poster is bigger than the board, and no tears will be shed over the loss of any regular information about anything having to do with one of the conference teams. Hopefully another NCC basketball supporter will step up and continue from where its looking like I might soon be leaving off. Peace,
AO

   

You are kidding right? I am a frequent reader of this blog and find most of the posters here to be thoughtful and insightful in their postings. Why would you let something as trivial as this affect you? You are right no poster is bigger than the board, but if you proceed with your implied plans, you have made whom ever has dinged you "bigger" then what you have provided.

I would personally like to take credit for the spirited conversation between the Thunder faithful and the the lone, Almost, cardinal backer here. Had I not offered these words of encouragement to AO lo these 8 or 9 days ago I fear that this spirited and heartfelt discourse would have never happened for us all to enjoy. besides it is hard to discount a man that can write in a manner that tickles our heart strings one minute, see above, and roars with the fire of a Luther sermon the next. The playoffs just seem to bring out the best in everyone, no matter what sport. Keep up the good work I am enjoying the hell out of these wll thought out postings.

[Titan Q]

IWU introduced a new website today, covering all athletic teams...

http://www.iwusports.com/

It looks nice.

[voxelmhurst]

I was at the Carthage game...

Whatever critique may be offered on their fans and acoustics, they were still much better than Elmhurst's fans, when Wheaton played them there.

Correct.....and that is now about the fifth comment from a Wheaton fan regarding Elmhurst's student section that night.  Its getting a bit bizzare, really.

[Viking Mike]

In regards to breaking a tie to determine tourney seeds, I believe the criteria is used to find the NEXT participant only.

In other words, in a 3 way tie between NC, Augie, and Carthage,  North Central is awarded the next seed based on their better head to head record among the 3 teams.  THEN, you start all over to determine the next participant using the same criteria, starting with head to head.  Carthage and Augie being 1-1 against ea other forces the next criteria which is record among the team with the best record.... Wheaton.  Carthage gets the next and final spot in this case based on a better record against the Thunder.

I seem to recall this from the last 3 years when discussing the possible scenarios.

Hopefully we won't have to worry about this scenario as this leave my team on the outside looking in.

Here's hoping Augie can go down to Bloominton and beat up on the Titans like everyone else has this year.
It appears Elmhurst, North Central, Carthage and Wheaton all had a rather easy time against IWU in the Shirk.  I'm sure that Wesleyen won't  be as generous to Augie as they were to the others.   But if Augie has any hope of salvaging their season and keeping alive their NCAA dreams, they need to win tomorrow night.  I still think this team has some of there better ball  yet to play!

GO VIKINGS!!!

[andrewmp]

With a game to go, I think this is where I am...

1st Team
Kent Raymond (Wheaton, 6-3 Sr.) - M.O.P.
Steve Djurickovic (Carthage, 6-3 So.)
Brent Ruch (Elmhurst, 6-9 Sr.)
Chris Drennan (North Central, 6-5 Sr.)
Ryan Burks (Elmhurst, 6-4 Sr.)

2nd Team
Matt Rogers (North Central, 6-5 Sr.)
Sean Fendley (Carthage, 6-1 Jr.)
Nick Williams (North Park, 6-5 Jr.)
Andy Wiele (Wheaton, 6-8 Sr)
Brett Wessels (Augustana, 6-3 Sr.)

3rd Team
Roshawn Russell (North Park, 5-10 Fr.)
Doug Sexauer (IWU, 6-7 So.)
Tunde Ogunleye (Millikin, 6-2 Sr.)
Ben Panner (Wheaton, 6-3 Jr.)
Chandlor Collins (Augustana, 6-7 Sr.)

No argument from me. I think the burks 1st team spot may be a lock if he plays well and they beat carthage although I think Rogers should merit strong consideration and may steal it if NCC beats Wheaton Saturday. Wiele is probably a long shot right now but if he has a monster game and shows up on defense vs NCC he has a shot. Augie lost their shot at a 1st teamer over the last 2 weeks it would seem.

While Nick Williams and Roshawn Russell are good players, I don't know if North Park will get two players on with no wins in conference.   Is there another player from IWU or Millikin that perhaps may be inserted instead, or maybe even Childs or Strzemp from Elmhurst?  Players who stats don't stand out as much, but never the less contributed to their teams wins.  I guess I especially don't see a freshman from a no win team getting it. 
For NPU fans, I was impressed with Roshawn when I saw him play.  This is no way a knock on either of these players, just some thinking as to how it will actually pan out.

[andrewmp]

Ok. the gloves are off and the game is on.

Let me first say that I expect a great game vs NCC on Saturday night from a well coached, disciplined team that has played well together this year. I think it will be close and NCC has had Wheaton's number the last few years so I don't expect anything other than a great performance from the Cardinals.

That said, I have to say I am really tired of the abused stepchild drum that AndOne is beating repeatedly. The ONES WHO VOTED are the coaches and personally they weren't that far off. They voted the Cardinal 6th and it looks like they are on their way to 3rd or 4th. WHO CARES? you keep touting your win against Wheaton when EVERYONE knows they weren't close to full strength. NCC played great and was definitely the better team that night but don't use that game as a measuring stick of you season because no one else does. Use THIS game!! Wheaton is at full strength. Run your mouth if you win Saturday (an NCC win is a distinct possibility--AO running his mouth is a given) but please stop insulting everyones intelligence with your "win against #7".

I pause here to say this is not a post against NCC because I see a win saturday as a distinct possibility. I am just tired of AndOne's Lou Holtz style posts. NCC is currently 2-3 against the other likely teams in the conference tournament  and 0-2 in THEIR gyms. This Saturday would be a signature win and if you do it the "old fashioned way" you will get all the kudos you deserve. Up to now NCC has been a good team and has won some games no one thought they would. They have also lost some games they absolutely should not have lost if they want to be a top team (home against IWU, @millikin).

Good luck to the Cardinals Saturday. Bring your A game, leave it all on the floor. You are playing a great team with all their guns in top form. No excuses, leave it all on the floor and may the best team win!

I feel better now. Back to your regularly scheduled programming.........

Thanks for saying what a few of us have been thinking.

74---

Rather than just jumping on the bandwagon, at least I have the balls to voice and support my opinion despite the criticism I'll likely receive.
As far as your blurb "Thanks for saying what a few of us have been thinking." I'll bet its the few others who do what passes for "thinking." An exercise you're obviously incapable of.   

Exactly what bandwagon did I jump on?  It seems as if you think you know me but you don't.  I happen to have a life.  I don't just sit at my computer day and night pontificating about my team and then whine when someone disagrees.

I believe thats the Usee/Wheaton bandwagon 74.
Disagree all you want. All I ask is that you support your thinking, give credit where credit is due, and not either accuse or agree that someone is "running his mouth" when he voices his opinion or supports his team.  
Lastly, speaking of pontificating, its an easy exercise when doing so from the front runners position, especially when you have a large congregation behind you and you know you are opposed by a basically singular (whining by your definition) voice.    

While I made a case a while back that a healthy Raymond changes the dynamic of the game, I was also very clear in stating it was a hypothetical situation.  I also posted recently about Wheaton's offense with Raymond healthy, and how his points do not seem to take away points from others.  So I won't rehash that here.
AndOne, I enjoy the banter and I am very much looking forward to this game.  In my opinion, you have every right to talk up North Central's success against Wheaton, because you have beaten us so consistantly.  Yet it looks very likely that Wheaton and North Central will tango twice in a week.  At the end of all of this, we will have an idea as to who has bragging rights.  If NCC is able to beat Wheaton two games in a row and then loses in the Championship game, I think that they may still have a chance to get into a pool C (3 wins against a top ranked team in the region will help).  But I don't think that will happen.
While I think it will be a close game, I still see a potential for a double digit win both ways.  Everyone knows that NCC has taken it to Wheaton the past several years.  Yet I like that we are playin at home, healthy, and coming off a win that took some guts to pull off.  Not a good shooting night nor a defensive night, but a win never the less.  I think it will help Wheaton refocus for this last game.  They want momentum going into the confernece tournament, especially confidence against the team that they may face in the first round.  And, it is senior night.  The question is, will Raymond be honored again?  A partisan crowd will also get Wheaton going.  It wasn't as physical a game as the fouls and Ts would suggest last time around, but with what is at stake and the chatter on this board already, I am sure this will be a fun game to watch.

[Dennis_Prikkel]

With a game to go, I think this is where I am...

1st Team
Kent Raymond (Wheaton, 6-3 Sr.) - M.O.P.
Steve Djurickovic (Carthage, 6-3 So.)
Brent Ruch (Elmhurst, 6-9 Sr.)
Chris Drennan (North Central, 6-5 Sr.)
Ryan Burks (Elmhurst, 6-4 Sr.)

2nd Team
Matt Rogers (North Central, 6-5 Sr.)
Sean Fendley (Carthage, 6-1 Jr.)
Nick Williams (North Park, 6-5 Jr.)
Andy Wiele (Wheaton, 6-8 Sr)
Brett Wessels (Augustana, 6-3 Sr.)

3rd Team
Roshawn Russell (North Park, 5-10 Fr.)
Doug Sexauer (IWU, 6-7 So.)
Tunde Ogunleye (Millikin, 6-2 Sr.)
Ben Panner (Wheaton, 6-3 Jr.)
Chandlor Collins (Augustana, 6-7 Sr.)

No argument from me. I think the burks 1st team spot may be a lock if he plays well and they beat carthage although I think Rogers should merit strong consideration and may steal it if NCC beats Wheaton Saturday. Wiele is probably a long shot right now but if he has a monster game and shows up on defense vs NCC he has a shot. Augie lost their shot at a 1st teamer over the last 2 weeks it would seem.

While Nick Williams and Roshawn Russell are good players, I don't know if North Park will get two players on with no wins in conference.   Is there another player from IWU or Millikin that perhaps may be inserted instead, or maybe even Childs or Strzemp from Elmhurst?  Players who stats don't stand out as much, but never the less contributed to their teams wins.  I guess I especially don't see a freshman from a no win team getting it. 
For NPU fans, I was impressed with Roshawn when I saw him play.  This is no way a knock on either of these players, just some thinking as to how it will actually pan out.

Andrew I am in 100% agreement with you - plus, TQ, when was the last time IWU got shut out in all-conference basketball voting - ain't going to happen.  I think NPU (emphasis on the last two letters) gets one player and an IWU player gets on.

As for Childs of Elmhurst - good player - who feeds off his own success as a streak shooter - but he has had some invisible games.

DGP

[AndOne]

With a game to go, I think this is where I am...

1st Team
Kent Raymond (Wheaton, 6-3 Sr.) - M.O.P.
Steve Djurickovic (Carthage, 6-3 So.)
Brent Ruch (Elmhurst, 6-9 Sr.)
Chris Drennan (North Central, 6-5 Sr.)
Ryan Burks (Elmhurst, 6-4 Sr.)

2nd Team
Matt Rogers (North Central, 6-5 Sr.)
Sean Fendley (Carthage, 6-1 Jr.)
Nick Williams (North Park, 6-5 Jr.)
Andy Wiele (Wheaton, 6-8 Sr)
Brett Wessels (Augustana, 6-3 Sr.)

3rd Team
Roshawn Russell (North Park, 5-10 Fr.)
Doug Sexauer (IWU, 6-7 So.)
Tunde Ogunleye (Millikin, 6-2 Sr.)
Ben Panner (Wheaton, 6-3 Jr.)
Chandlor Collins (Augustana, 6-7 Sr.)

I have one contention with what you posted Q.
I don't think Steve Djurickovic is 6' 3"

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*Here is a perfect example of exactly what is wrong with this site and what I meant a few days ago when I mentioned cowards who sneak on solely to smite someone.
I just had another smite register a short time ago. Clicking on the profile of Wheels81, who I believe may have previously gone by something like bgbigbully, reveals he was last active today at 9:43 AM, but that his last post was last night at 8:08 PM. As he has been on of my chief protagonists lately, I don't think its much of a stretch to assume his latest log on was solely to, lets say smite and run. No post, nothing to say, just a ding and then slink away again.

To borrow and paraphrase the words of the scoundrel Archibald Cunningham from the movie 'Rob Roy'------Your cowardliness, and lack of constructive criticism and fair play are but a dunghill, and you, sir, are but a cock who climbs on it to crow! 

[AndOne]

I'm sure this post will cause a few replies but I'll send it thru anyway.

ODDS FOR D3 TOURNEY

WHEATON - I think they are in.  Even if they lose their next two games.
ELMHURST - a virtual lock if they beat Carthage Saturday.  Another win or two wouldn't hurt.
NORTH CENTRAL - need to win CCIW tourney.
AUGUSTANA - need to qualify for and win CCIW tourney.
CARTHAGE - need to qualify for and win CCIW tourney.

I wish all 5 could make it.  I think they are among the 60 best D3 schools in the nation.

Naper----

I think you're right on here. I certainly agree ALL 5 are among the 60 best.

[AndOne]

The fact of the matter is NCC would rather BACK into a 8-6 or 9-5 CCIW season rather than make excuses for a 1-13 or 0-14 season!  The latter would be the second of its kind in four years! 

USee---

Its very easy to be the front runner and continually either put down or grudgingly give left handed compliments to a lower ranked opponent, especially when you have several other fellow supporters you know will back you up at the slightest criticism of your team.

It's an interesting day for sure when posters representing schools from both ends of the conference standings get attacked by a team solidly in the middle.

I think we have it all covered now.

AO, If you think I have made ANY excuses for the first meeting between NCC and Wheaton then you haven't read most of my posts since that game. Likewise, suggesting you have any clue about what the outcome of that game would have been with Raymond playing 35 minutes is pure fiction. As I have repeated several times in several ways, the best team won that night with the players on the floor. This weekend will be different and all questions people may have, spoken and unspoken, will be answered on the floor. And win or lose, I will come on here and offer my unsolicited (and currently unwanted) opinion.

I enjoy reading your posts and I have no problem with what you write and usually how you write it. You are entitled to post however you want. I encourage it. I happened to take issue after the 5th or 6th time you tried to qualify NCC's season with the win over Wheaton. I admire guys like Sager and Q who come on here whether their team is in first, 4th or last and offer their opinion. I think I have been on these boards long enough to state my opinion with some conviction of experience based on observation. I have often offered praise of other teams and their coaches performance and criticism of my own team when it is deserved.

I do apologize for the 'running your mouth' comment.  That wasn't appropriate.

Usee--

I never said you made any excuses.
I wasn't trying to "qualify NCC's season" by commenting on their win over Wheaton. As WC is setting the standard and is our most highly ranked team this season, my intent was only to say that among the reasons NCC has had a good season is its win earlier over WC. I still believe that if Kent had play his regular minutes in that game, NCC would have still won. Sure he would have scored more points, but some of those points would have been at the expense of Wheaton's other players as he would have taken some of the shots, and consequently scored some of the points, that they did.
I apologize if you think I referred specifically to the Wheaton game too much. As I said, the standard bearer is the one you usually measure yourself against. While I may have referenced WC a bit too much for your, and others, liking, I certainly did not resort to any inappropriate name-calling or insults in attempting to make my point.
I appreciate your apology. I'm just sorry it didn't come soon enough to prevent a feeding frenzy.
With regard to tomorrow's game, Wheaton is certainly the favorite. They are ranked 7th in the country, are playing at home on senior night, have a true 1st team All-American, have other fine starters, and play a deeper bench. However, win or lose, I know the NCC Cards will give it their all. The winner will deserve it. Peace.

[Dennis_Prikkel]

With a game to go, I think this is where I am...

1st Team
Kent Raymond (Wheaton, 6-3 Sr.) - M.O.P.
Steve Djurickovic (Carthage, 6-3 So.)
Brent Ruch (Elmhurst, 6-9 Sr.)
Chris Drennan (North Central, 6-5 Sr.)
Ryan Burks (Elmhurst, 6-4 Sr.)

2nd Team
Matt Rogers (North Central, 6-5 Sr.)
Sean Fendley (Carthage, 6-1 Jr.)
Nick Williams (North Park, 6-5 Jr.)
Andy Wiele (Wheaton, 6-8 Sr)
Brett Wessels (Augustana, 6-3 Sr.)

3rd Team
Roshawn Russell (North Park, 5-10 Fr.)
Doug Sexauer (IWU, 6-7 So.)
Tunde Ogunleye (Millikin, 6-2 Sr.)
Ben Panner (Wheaton, 6-3 Jr.)
Chandlor Collins (Augustana, 6-7 Sr.)

I have one contention with what you posted Q.
I don't think Steve Djurickovic is 6' 3"

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*Here is a perfect example of exactly what is wrong with this site and what I meant a few days ago when I mentioned cowards who sneak on solely to smite someone.
I just had another smite register a short time ago. Clicking on the profile of Wheels81, who I believe may have previously gone by something like bgbigbully, reveals he was last active today at 9:43 AM, but that his last post was last night at 8:08 PM. As he has been on of my chief protagonists lately, I don't think its much of a stretch to assume his latest log on was solely to, lets say smite and run. No post, nothing to say, just a ding and then slink away again.

To borrow and paraphrase the words of the scoundrel Archibald Cunningham from the movie 'Rob Roy'------Your cowardliness, and lack of constructive criticism and fair play are but a dunghill, and you, sir, are but a cock who climbs on it to crow! 

+K for you (in sympathy) - however - bgbully or whatever his name is - can smite you, reject you, rebuff you, or simonize you - its a free country - if you meet the requirements of the site you can smite or applaud - i dont like it either when the Hall of Famers come out of the bat cave, but you have to live with it.

just enjoy the conversation and forget the bashing

plus give negative Karma to any Hall of Famer - I find it soothing (though, I admittedly dont do it often) - I'm more of a +K Karma dragon for the under-privileged and un-loved (and those in negative karma) on D3boards.com.

DGP - ROTFL 

[AndOne]

Dennis---

I appreciate your +K. I'm sure one of the hyenas will negate it soon enough.

As far as smiting any Hall of Famer---I just can't comprehend doing so because of someone's status on the board. That would be equivalent to smiting someone just because he supports a certain school.

[Dennis_Prikkel]

Free Speech

Which leads me to my topic of the day.

Several weeks ago I asked regular posters from North Park what their solutions would be for the uncompetitive athletic program of our school.

Two employees of North Park, who were regular, valued contributors to the discussion on this board, challenged me for my solution.  Which I gave.

They chose not to respond.  Which is fine and certainly their perogative.

But what is most disturbing to me, is that from that time forward they have obviously been silenced.  By whom is obvious.  I have often been told by friends that work at North Park that this board is regularly digested by members of the athletic staff.

My question to that athletic staff - is why have you silenced North Park staffers who were regular contributors to this discussion.  It's a free country, and they should be permitted to voice their opinions without fear of censure by you and the school administration.

I know that at least one of those staff members continues to read these pages (because I've seen his name at the top of the page), I do wish they would come back and share with us.  Your opinions and insights as both a close observer and a basketball alum are missed.

Dennis Prikkel

[Dennis_Prikkel]

Dennis---

I appreciate your +K. I'm sure one of the hyenas will negate it soon enough.

As far as smiting any Hall of Famer---I just can't comprehend doing so because of someone's status on the board. That would be equivalent to smiting someone just because he supports a certain school.

I hope, you realize, that the part of the post about smiting Hall of Famers was purely in jest (or was it).        

dgp

[Pat Coleman]

I just had another smite register a short time ago. Clicking on the profile of Wheels81, who I believe may have previously gone by something like bgbigbully, reveals he was last active today at 9:43 AM, but that his last post was last night at 8:08 PM. As he has been on of my chief protagonists lately, I don't think its much of a stretch to assume his latest log on was solely to, lets say smite and run. No post, nothing to say, just a ding and then slink away again.

Five people have smited you in the past 24 hours. Perhaps there's a bigger problem here than one person.

By the way, reading the board registers you as active. I hope you don't have a problem with people just reading and not posting.