MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

[Titan Q]

I looked at this quickly, but it seems like 11 of the 18 Pool C's are accounted for already...

(in no particular order)

1. UW-Whitewater (lost tonight to Platteville)
2. UW Stevens Point or UW-Platteville (WIAC)
3. Buena Vista
4. St. Mary's (Md.)
5. Capital or John Carroll (OAC)
6. Randolph-Macon or Guilford (ODAC)
7. Trinity (Tx) or Centre (SCAC)
8. Salem St or Bridgewater St (MASCAC)
9. Middlebury or Amherst (NESCAC)
10. Farmingdale St. or St. Joseph's (Sky)
11. Mass-Dartmouth or Rhode Island (LEC)

I think Elmhurst, as a Pool C candidate, would check in right behind these teams.  In other words, there would have to be 7 more upsets of completely "upset proof" teams (like Buena Vista and St. Mary's were) to put Elmhurst out of the Pool C picture.

Outside of those listed above, I believe these are the top "upset proof" teams - the current league leaders who would get in even if upset in their conference tournament.  If you are in the market for a Pool C bid and are scoreboard watching this weekend, you want these teams to win their tournaments...


Ithaca (E8)
St. Thomas (MIAC)
Puget Sound (NWC)
Worcester Poly (NEWMAC)
Wheaton (CCIW)
Hamilton (Liberty)
Richard Stockton (NJAC)
Transylvania (HCAC)
Franklin & Marshall (CC)
Calvin (MIAA)
Texas-Dallas (ASC)
Wooster (NCAC)


I still say Elmhurst would be safely in if they lose in the CCIW tournament.  Tonight hurt Augustana, which seemed to be sitting at about spot #16 or #17 at best.  I honestly think Augie has to win the tournament.

I could be wrong.  Just my take.

[coebball70]

Just for the record in 1965 and 1966 NCAA rules did not allow Freshman to play varsity sports in small college division.  This probably worked against Jesse Price being recognized as 'best in the league' in 1965.  While I remember the name, I did not see him play in college. 

[Dennis_Prikkel]

Just for the record in 1965 and 1966 NCAA rules did not allow Freshman to play varsity sports in small college division.  This probably worked against Jesse Price being recognized as 'best in the league' in 1965.  While I remember the name, I did not see him play in college. 

There was no award until the 1968 season.

Millikin was an NAIA school in 1965 and 1966, as was everybody else in the CCIW.

some day we'll have to get someone really knowledgeable on here to discuss the CCIW's transformation from NAIA to NCAA.

dgp

[dansand]

Just for the record in 1965 and 1966 NCAA rules did not allow Freshman to play varsity sports in small college division.  This probably worked against Jesse Price being recognized as 'best in the league' in 1965.  While I remember the name, I did not see him play in college. 

There was no award until the 1968 season.

Millikin was an NAIA school in 1965 and 1966, as was everybody else in the CCIW.

some day we'll have to get someone really knowledgeable on here to discuss the CCIW's transformation from NAIA to NCAA.

dgp

I don't know if they held dual membership or not, but Augie played in the NCAA College Division playoffs in '59, '60, '63, and '71, and the NAIA playoffs in '39, '40, '72, '73 and '74 before moving to D3 in the '74-75 season. I know Steve Snow and Bob Hodgdon played as freshmen during the 1965-66 season.

I'm pretty sure Wesleyan was the last CCIW school to switch to full NCAA membership.

[Mr. Ypsi]

As I understand it, Jack Horenberger was one of the founding lights of NAIA.  No way were they going to leave before he retired.

As for Jesse Price, I saw him twice when he was a sophomore and I was a freshman (and I saw everyone else in the CCIW at least once); if there had been a POY award that year, he would have won it hands down.

[coebball70]

DP...Thank you for correcting my post about the NCAA no freshman rule.  Learning that the conference was all NAIA really surprised me and I learned something.....another good reason to be on this board.  I, too, would really appreciate someone who could take all of us through the conversion from NAIA to NCAA.  One of my best memories is the interest I would have in who made it to Kansas City for the NAIA Championship.  On another note, what a terribly sad day.  Waking up to the loss of Stormin' Norman and the Red Head has me in a deep downer.  A sad start for this basketball fan.  Hopefully, tonight's competition in Wheaton will balance things out.  Again, thank you for the correction.

[Viking Mike]

Thanks Titan Q for your thoughts on the Pool C bids......

I tend to agree with you.  I think Augie has to win the CCIW tourney to get in.  Their record against the other ranked teams in the Midwest,  and there overall in-region winning percentage are just not good enough to warrant a Pool C bid.  Consideration maybe, but I don't see them awarding the CCIW a third team in the dance.  An overtime loss to Wash U and a 2-4 record among the top CCIW teams does not help.   Too many close losses to the ranked teams may be their demise.  (Wash U/Elmhurst/North Central)  A win against Elmhurst would move them up in consideration but I just don't see it being enough to get 1 of the remaining 7 Pool C bids.

That being said, I'm excited about the Vikings chances this weekend.  We have been waiting all year to see this team put it together and I'm hoping it begins tonight.  Elmhurst is a great team but if we can play the defense we are capable of and hit 42% or better on our shots, I think we can advance tonight.  We all know in a championship game, anything can happen.  I think we all know that all 4 teams are deserving of a NCAA spot.


Go Augustana Vikings!!!   Beat Elmhurst and get to the championship game!!!

[Gregory Sager]

Just for the record in 1965 and 1966 NCAA rules did not allow Freshman to play varsity sports in small college division.  This probably worked against Jesse Price being recognized as 'best in the league' in 1965.  While I remember the name, I did not see him play in college. 

There was no award until the 1968 season.

Millikin was an NAIA school in 1965 and 1966, as was everybody else in the CCIW.

some day we'll have to get someone really knowledgeable on here to discuss the CCIW's transformation from NAIA to NCAA.

dgp

I don't know if they held dual membership or not, but Augie played in the NCAA College Division playoffs in '59, '60, '63, and '71, and the NAIA playoffs in '39, '40, '72, '73 and '74 before moving to D3 in the '74-75 season. I know Steve Snow and Bob Hodgdon played as freshmen during the 1965-66 season.

I'm pretty sure Wesleyan was the last CCIW school to switch to full NCAA membership.

IIRC, six of the nine schools that were in the CCIW when D3 first sponsored men's basketball in 1974-75 are charter members of this division, while the other three were either NAIA holdouts or dual NCAA-3/NAIA members who declared for the NAIA at the beginning of each school year (the way that Menlo does now). The six charter members from the 1974-75 school year were Augustana, Elmhurst, Millikin, North Central, North Park, and Wheaton. The three holdouts were Carthage (which switched to D3 after the 1975-76 season); Carroll (which switched to D3 after the 1980-81 season), and Illinois Wesleyan (which switched to D3 after the 1982-83 season).

[Titan Q]

There will be live video from the Shirk Center this weekend of any CCIW tournament games the IWU women play in...

http://www.iwusports.com/sports/2009/2/15/WBB_0215090326.aspx?id=76

[Titan Q]

Final:

Elmhurst 59
Augustana 53

[Gregory Sager]

Augie dictated the tempo and style, but Elmhurst got huge late contributions underneath from Ruch -- I think he had three blocks in the last five minutes or so -- and the treys finally started falling for what had been a cold Bluejays team in the waning minutes. EC then proceeded to seal the game on the FT line, making 8-8 down the stretch.

Great game to watch, brutal Wheaton announcers notwithstanding. Would it be asking too much of them to do their homework and figure out that the d3hoops.com Top 25 has absolutely nothing to do with who gets into the D3 tourney and who doesn't?

[WahooThunder]

Great game to watch, brutal Wheaton announcers notwithstanding. Would it be asking too much of them to do their homework and figure out that the d3hoops.com Top 25 has absolutely nothing to do with who gets into the D3 tourney and who doesn't?

I apologize for their ignorance. I'm disappointed to hear that the crew who finally got the privilege of calling CCIW tourney games at King Arena isn't better prepared.

[WahooThunder]

Looking forward to another intense slugfest in the late game tonight. Should be an interesting game with North Central playing for their lives and Wheaton trying to earn homecourt advantage for the Big Dance. Hopefully the refs let them play but they don't beat each other up so bad that it negatively effects their performance in the games to come.

[Gregory Sager]

Great game to watch, brutal Wheaton announcers notwithstanding. Would it be asking too much of them to do their homework and figure out that the d3hoops.com Top 25 has absolutely nothing to do with who gets into the D3 tourney and who doesn't?

I apologize for their ignorance. Do you know who was doing the call for WETN? I'm disappointed to hear that the crew who finally got the privilege of calling CCIW tourney games at King Arena isn't better prepared.

"Noah" and "Zach", I think they were calling each other. Oh, for the days of Bryan Holmgren or Paul Carr on the call for WETN!

[Gregory Sager]

Wheaton beat North Central, 77-66. Raymond had 36 or so, Rogers had about 26. Pflederer had a great stretch from about the six-minute mark to about the four-minute mark that gave Wheaton daylight in what had been a seesaw battle.