MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

iwu70 · February 27, 2009, 10:52:45 PM

Looks like Wheaton and Elmhurst are in the dance. . . . not other CCIW men's teams this year.

Lady Titans are rolling . . . IWU to play Carthage for the women's tourney championship and DIII tourney bid tomorrow at 2 p.m.

Gregory Sager · February 27, 2009, 10:57:15 PM

Elmhurst isn't in a position where it can take a Pool C bid for granted.

I'm not saying that the season will definitely end for the 'jays if they lose tomorrow night, but the fact of the matter is that a lot of teams at or near the top of their regional rankings seem to be tumbling over the last 24 hours. While the 'jays probably still have at least a decent chance at a Pool C berth if they lose tomorrow, I'm sure that Mark Scherer will tell his team before the game that they'll have to earn their way in with a win.

Late nite · February 27, 2009, 11:07:05 PM

Another disappointing finish to the season for the offensively-challenged Vikings---Missed layups, turnovers and defensive lapses are common place in almost all of their close losses---It's one thing to get beat by the 3 pointer, but it's another to get beat by 3 pt SET SHOTS!!!---3 TIMES!!!---Nobody even close to the shooters down the stretch---Giovanine needs to go back to the drawing board and re-evaluate his strategies and decisions in late season meaningful games---Too many early exits from tournaments the past 4 years after impressive regular seasons---Washington, Collins and Bertrand see their careers end from a seat on the bench during the final minute of the ballgame---Unbelievable

Gregory Sager · February 27, 2009, 11:15:35 PM

Elmhurst 59, Augustana 53

Brent Ruch: 14 pts, 8 rebs, 4 blocks
Rob Strzemp: 14 pts
Ryan Burks: 13 pts

38% FG (20-53), 31% trey (5-16), 93% FT (15-16)

Jordan Delp: 13 pts
Kyle Nelson: 10 pts, 5 rebs
Chandlor Collins: 10 pts, 20 rebs

34% FG (21-62), 31% trey (5-16), 60% FT (6-10)

Augie won the rebounding battle, 44-29 (no wonder, considering the night that Collins had on the boards), but turned the ball over 17 times to EC's 12.

Gregory Sager · February 27, 2009, 11:22:43 PM

Wheaton 77, North Central 66

Kent Raymond: 36 pts, 5 rebs
Jeremy Pflederer: 15 pts
Andy Wiele: 10 pts, 6 rebs

55% FG (28-51), 56% trey (10-18), 79% FT (11-14)

Matt Rogers: 26 pts, 5 rebs
Chris Drennan: 15 pts, 6 rebs
Mark Adams: 12 pts

49% FG (25-51), 36% trey (5-14), 65% FT (11-17)

Wheaton outrebounded NCC, 31-24, but coughed up the ball a dozen times to NCC's seven.

Pat Coleman · February 28, 2009, 12:08:59 AM

Mute the video and listen to D3hoopsNet next time. (Hopefully the buffer isn't too far off in either direction.)

Greek Tragedy · February 28, 2009, 01:32:01 AM

Update when results come in.

I left out the regular season records so it fits.

RED means they have lost, regular season/conference tourney is complete and they are Pool C eligible.

BLUE means they have won the Pool A bid and have been removed from the regional rankings.

Atlantic	REG	CONF.	RESULTS
Farmingdale State	23-2	SKY	BEAT SUNY-Old Westbury; plays St. Joseph's (L.I.) in SKY Finals on Sat.
Monclair State	16-5	NJAC	LOST to Rutgers-Newark in NJAC semis
William Paterson	20-6	NJAC	LOST to Richard Stockton in NJAC semis
Baruch	20-3	CUNYAC	BEAT Lehman; LOST to Brooklyn in CUNYAC Final.

EAST	REG	CONF	RESULTS
Ithaca	22-1	E8	Plays Nazareth in E8 semis on Sat.
St. Lawrence	17-5	LL	BEAT Clarkson; plays RPI in Liberty League Final on Sat.
Hamilton	16-2	LL	LOST to RPI in LL semis
Utica	17-8	E8	Plays Rochester Tech in E8 semis on Sat.
Rochester	16-8	UAA	Plays Carnegie Mellon on Sat.

Great Lakes	REG	CONF	RESULTS
John Carroll	18-3	OAC	BEAT Heidelberg; BEAT Muskingum; plays Capital in OAC Final on Sat.
Capital	20-3	OAC	BEAT Mount Union, BEAT Ohio Northern; plays John Carroll in OAC Final on Sat.
Carnegie Mellon	14-5	UAA	Plays Rochester on Sat.
Wooster	18-4	NCAC	BEAT Denison; BEAT Kenyon; plays Wabash in NCAC Final on Sat.
Calvin	12-2	MIAA	BEAT Trine; BEAT Olivet; plays Hope in MIAA Final on Sat.
Ohio Wesleyan	16-6	NCAC	LOST to Allegheny in NCAC quarterfinals

Middle Atlantic	REG	CONF	RESULTS
St. Mary's (Md)	18-2	CAC	LOST to Marymount in CAC semis
Franklin & Marshall	20-4	CC	Plays Muhlenberg in CC semis on Sat.
DeSales	18-5	MACF	BEAT Wilkes; plays Manhattanville in MACF Final on Sat.
Widener	18-5	MACC	BEAT Messiah; plays Elizabethtown in MACC Final on Sat.
McDaniel	16-6	CC	Plays Gettysburg in CC semis on Sat.
Cabrini	19-6	CSAC	BEAT Keystone; LOST to Gwynedd-Mercy in CSAC Final.
Scranton	18-6	LAND	BEAT Catholic; plays Susquehanna in LAND Final on Sat.

Midwest	REG	CONF	RESULTS
Wheaton (IL)	18-3	CCIW	BEAT North Central (Ill); plays Elmhurst in CCIW Final on Sat.
Washington U.	21-2	UAA	Plays Chicago on Sat.
Elmhurst	19-6	CCIW	BEAT Augustana; plays Wheaton (IL) in CCIW Final on Sat.
Transylvania	16-3	HCAC	BEAT Anderson;plays Franklin in HCAC Final on Sat.
Lawrence	17-6	MWC	BEAT Carroll; plays Grinnell in MWC Final on Sat.
Augustana	17-7	CCIW	LOST to Elmhurst in CCIW semis
Carroll	16-7	MWC	LOST to Lawrence in MWC semis
North Central (IL)	14-7	CCIW	LOST to Wheaton (IL) in CCIW semis.

Northeast	REG	CONF	RESULTS
Worcester Tech	20-3	NEWMAC	Plays Springfield in NEWMAC semis on Sat.
Middlebury	20-2	NESCAC	Plays Bowdoin in NESCAC semis on Sat.
Elms	23-1	NECC	BEAT Wheelock; plays Becker in NECC Final on Sat.
Rhode Island Coll.	21-4	LEC	BEAT Southern Maine; BEAT Keene State; plays Mass-Dartmouth in LEC Final on Sat.
Mass-Dartmouth	20-3	LEC	BEAT Mass-Boston; BEAT Western Connecticut; plays RIC in LEC Final on Sat.
Salem State	19-5	MASCAC	BEAT Framingham State; Plays Bridgewater State in MASCAC Final on Sat.
Bridgewater State	17-4	MASCAC	BEAT Westfield State; plays Salem State in MASCAC Final on Sat.
Brandeis	16-8	UAA	Plays New York University on Sat.
Amherst	18-5	NESCAC	Plays Williams in NESCAC semis on Sat.
Bowdoin	17-8	NESCAC	Plays Middlebury in NESCAC semis on Sat.

South	REG	CONF	RESULTS
Trinity (Texas)	19-3	SCAC	BEAT Sewanee; plays Southwestern in SCAC semis on Sat.
Texas-Dallas	19-4	ASC	BEAT Sul Ross State; plays Mary Hardin-Baylor in ASC semis on Sat.
Guilford	20-4	ODAC	LOST to Washington and Lee in ODAC quarters.
Randolph-Macon	18-2	ODAC	LOST Virginia Wesleyan in ODAC quarters.
Centre	16-4	SCAC	BEAT Austin; plays Hendrix in SCAC semis on Sat.
McMurry	17-5	ASC	BEAT Texas-Tyler; plays Mississippi College in ASC semis on Sat.
DePauw	15-5	SCAC	LOST Southwestern in SCAC quarters.
Roanoke	14-6	ODAC	LOST Hampden-Sydney in ODAC quarters.

West	REG	CONF	RESULTS
St. Thomas	24-0	MIAC	BEAT Gustavus Adolphus; plays Bethel in MIAC Final on Sat.
Puget Sound	20-0	NWC	BEAT Lewis and Clark; plays Whitworth in NWC Final on Sat.
UW-Stevens Point	20-4	WIAC	BEAT Oshkosh; plays Platteville in WIAC Final on Sat.
UW-Whitewater	20-4	WIAC	BEAT River Falls; LOST to Platteville
UW-Platteville	16-4	WIAC	BEAT Whitewater; plays Stevens Point in WIAC Final on Sat.
Buena Vista	20-2	IIAC	LOST to Wartburg in IIAC semis
CMS	16-4	SCIAC	BEAT Caltech; BEAT Cal. Lutheran; plays Ponoma-Pitzer in SCIAC Final on Sat.
Whitworth	18-5	NWC	BEAT Linfield; plays Puget Sound in NWC Final on Sat.


POOL A BIDS
TEAM	REG	CONF	RESULTS
Washington U.	21-2	UAA	Plays Chicago on Sat.
Richard Stockton	20-2	NJAC	BEAT William Paterson; BEAT Rutgers-Newark in NJAC Final
Gwynedd-Mercy	19-4	CSAC	BEAT Baptist Bible; BEAT Cabrini CSAC Final.

voxelmhurst · February 28, 2009, 01:34:24 AM

That was not a pretty game between Elmhurst and Augie tonight, but it seems that all Elmhurst/Augie games simply come down to who makes good on their chances at the end.

I don't think I've been so confident of a player not being able to be scored upon than I was of Brent Ruch in the final minutes of tonight's game.

Burks came up with the big shots when Elmhurst needed them and I cannot say enough about Robert Strzemp's co-game high 14 point contribution, capped off by a massive three late in the game.

The Elmhurst seniors willed the team to a win tonight, it was almost storybook type stuff.

and you must give credit where its due to Chandlor Collins for his CCIW Tournament record setting 20 boards. Well done!

Ralph Turner · February 28, 2009, 01:39:29 AM

Quote from: Gregory Sager on February 27, 2009, 10:57:15 PM
Elmhurst isn't in a position where it can take a Pool C bid for granted.

I'm not saying that the season will definitely end for the 'jays if they lose tomorrow night, but the fact of the matter is that a lot of teams at or near the top of their regional rankings seem to be tumbling over the last 24 hours. While the 'jays probably still have at least a decent chance at a Pool C berth if they lose tomorrow, I'm sure that Mark Scherer will tell his team before the game that they'll have to earn their way in with a win.

I am not that worried about the CCIW not getting a Pool C bid.

There are too many other ugly losses out there that are dropping teams in their respective regions. MW#3 Elmhurst should lose to MW#1. That is the result that we expect.

The South Region took heavy hits today. BV lost in the first round. The East and Atlantic Regions took ugly losses. The bottom of the Great Lakes lost.

The committee will almost have a fresh sheet of paper after the remainder of the tourney games.

Greek Tragedy · February 28, 2009, 01:49:47 AM

If Wheaton wins tomorrow, Elmhurst will be sitting at the table first for the Midwest Region. This region is a lot stronger than last year's Atlantic Region where no one got a Pool C bid. I think they are a lock.

Mr. Ypsi · February 28, 2009, 01:54:07 AM

Since Wheaton is #1, Elmhurst is #3 (and Wash U, already an AQ, is #2), if the CCIW does NOT get 2 teams in it almost certainly means that the Midwest region got zero C bids. I just don't see that happening.

Just saw Tom's post; I concur that tomorrow's loser is a lock.

sac · February 28, 2009, 02:04:23 AM

The only way Elmhurst wouldn't be Pool C option #1 from the midwest is if something goofy in the "numbers" put Transylvania ahead of them in the final invisible rankings.......that only happens if Transy loses to Franklin....and since Wheaton's in-region record is way better than Franklin's I can't see that happening.

The real interesting part is who becomes Pool C #2 from the Midwest........the even more interesting part is we'll never see these final rankings. yay! NCAA!

Titan Q · February 28, 2009, 08:05:55 AM

The Midwest Regional Advisory Committee (the group that has been making the regional rankings this year and will turn in the final rankings tomorrow):

Mike Zapolski, Augustana (chair)
Gary Grzesk, St. Norbert
Mike McGrath, U. of Chicago
Brad Nadborne, Manchester
Skip Noon, Wisc. Lutheran
Matt Rogers, Maryville (Mo.)
Mark Scherer, Elmhurst

http://web1.ncaa.org/web_files/champ_handbooks/basketball/2009/3_mbasketball_handbook.pdf
(last page)

Titan Q · February 28, 2009, 08:07:38 AM

Regardless of all the madness in conference tournaments so far (like the ODAC's top 3 seeds all losing before the championship game), I continue to feel that Elmhurst would be a Pool C lock should they lose tonight.

Titan Q · February 28, 2009, 08:29:24 AM

Quote from: sac on February 28, 2009, 02:04:23 AM

The real interesting part is who becomes Pool C #2 from the Midwest........the even more interesting part is we'll never see these final rankings. yay! NCAA!

Outstanding point. As Old School posted yesterday...

RED means they have lost, regular season/conference tourney is complete and they are Pool C eligible.

BLUE means they have won the Pool A bid and have been removed from the regional rankings.

Midwest	REG	CONF	RESULTS
Wheaton (IL)	18-3	CCIW	BEAT North Central (Ill); plays Elmhurst in CCIW Final on Sat.
Washington U.	21-2	UAA	Plays Chicago on Sat.
Elmhurst	19-6	CCIW	BEAT Augustana; plays Wheaton (IL) in CCIW Final on Sat.
Transylvania	16-3	HCAC	BEAT Anderson;plays Franklin in HCAC Final on Sat.
Lawrence	17-6	MWC	BEAT Carroll; plays Grinnell in MWC Final on Sat.
Augustana	17-7	CCIW	LOST to Elmhurst in CCIW semis
Carroll	16-7	MWC	LOST to Lawrence in MWC semis
North Central (IL)	14-7	CCIW	LOST to Wheaton (IL) in CCIW semis.

If Transylvania beats Franklin at home tomorrow in the HCAC conference tournament title game, and Lawrence beats Grinnell, I think Augustana probably ends up as the Midwest's #2-rated Pool C team - Carroll and NCC lost yesterday too. The Midwest committee will have to make that decision tomorrow, and it is a critical one. To be discussed for a Pool C bid, you have to get to the table, and I do not see any Midwest Pool C candidate after the top 2 getting to the table.

If Augustana does end up the #2 Pool C candidate from the Midwest, Viking fans may not want to completely give up hope quite yet. The odds would still be long, as most likely the Midwest's #2 Pool C candidate is going to be left sitting on the table from the time Elmhurst is put in (somewhere around Pool C slot #10 of 18) - or from the time Wheaton is put in, much higher, if that is the case - to the time Pool C #18 is selected. But maybe at the national level they discuss the strength of the Midwest region this year (the region has been strong this year).

Also remember, last year the Midwest committee did a terrific job of giving the region its best chance to get 2 Pool C bids. Wash U, which lost to Chicago one year ago today and did not win the UAA, was a lock as the Midwest's top Pool C candidate. But in the final ranking, the MW committee made a very important decision - they ranked Wheaton ahead of IWU, even though IWU was 3-0 vs Wheaton. As a Pool C candidate, IWU had no chance to get in - the in-region record (15-9) just was not competitive. But Wheaton stood a fighting chance at the national level, so they ranked Wheaton ahead of IWU to give the region a fighting chance at another Pool C. If they do the same this year (assuming Transy and Lawrence win tonight), they'll put Augustana in that slot.

Again, the odds are that the Midwest's #2 Pool candidate is not getting in, but there will at least be a faint heartbeat for that team.

(Transylvania losing to Franklin today would be the final knockout blow for Augie - they'd become that #2.)