MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

[Titan Q]

It seems like these 7 are the first in:

Puget Sound
UW-Whitewater
UW-Platteville
Ithaca
Elmhurst
Capital
WPI


So then for the rest of the Pool C process, it stacks up something like this...

Atlantic – Farmingdale St.

East – St. Lawrence, Hamilton

Great Lakes – Carnegie Mellon, Calvin

Mid-Atlantic – St. Mary's (Md), Franklin & Marshall

Midwest – Augustana

Northeast – Rhode Island, Salem St, Brandeis, Amherst

South – Guilford, Trinity (Tx), Randolph-Macon

West – Buena Vista


The sooner Augie can get on the board (the sooner Elmhurst is put in), the better.  As long as you are on the board, it would seem you at least have to get discussed and thought about.

Augie needs some committee member to say, "Are we really only giving 1 of the 18 Pool C's to the Midwest...while we give 5 to the Northeast...and 2 to the East...and 2 the Mid-Atlantic?  Seriously."

[Titan Q]

Reminder that this is an odd-numbered year, so for schools with both the men and women in, the women get the hosting nod in Rounds 1/2.  So the Wash U men could be forced to the road in Rounds 1/2.

[Viking Mike]

Titan Q,

Your're killing me here!

I had just come to terms with the idea that Augie would not even be considered with such a sub-par regional record and a loss to Elmhurst in the first round of the CCIW Tourney.  Your point about taking only 1 Pool C bid from the Midwest, though is a strong one.  The Midwest is the strongest region and always seems to be.  I know they can take the Pool C teams from any region, but after assigning all the automatic bids and the higher ranked Pool C teams,  it does make sense to take a team from arguably the best basketball conference in Div 3.  That is if Augie remains the next best team in the Midwest rankings.  I am of course bias.  Last year it was Wheaton.  This year though I thought Augie had a chance with a win Friday.  Now that they lost, I think the NCAA will have an easier time passing the Vikes by.  Esp with 3 WIAC teams getting in.

Thanks for your optimism!

[Viking Mike]

Titan Q and others,

SEE "AUGIE'S CHANCES IN THE NCAA" on the previous page.

I accidently posted under a new subject and not under the CCIW site.

[WahooThunder]

Last year it was Wheaton.

And look where we wound up. It ain't over 'til the selection committee sings, and while that is often not a pretty sound, every once in awhile they do hit the right note and that is a beautiful thing. It will be a shame if Augie doesn't make it in. This league is far too strong, especially this year, to only have two representatives. In my opinion Augie and North Central (and perhaps even Carthage as well) are good enough to win at least a couple of games in the tournament. Unfortunately, being good enough to win once you get there isn't always good enough to get you in.

[WahooThunder]

Anyone listening to Hoopsville? I can't tune in right now, but I would be interested to know what they say about the CCIW, as well as how the selection committee is going to handle the abundance of top teams in the midwest and west.

[Titan Q]

Anyone listening to Hoopsville? I can't tune in right now, but I would be interested to know what they say about the CCIW, as well as how the selection committee is going to handle the abundance of top teams in the midwest and west.

7:30pm CST

[WahooThunder]

Anyone listening to Hoopsville? I can't tune in right now, but I would be interested to know what they say about the CCIW, as well as how the selection committee is going to handle the abundance of top teams in the midwest and west.

7:30pm CST

Thanks Q.

[andrewmp]

I would also like to point out that the Midwest is the only region to have all its ranked teams finish out the way that they were ranked (no pool A upsets).  It is too bad, that deserving pool C teams in the midwest will lose out because the best teams won in the region, while in other regions the "best" teams lost to less qualified teams.

[sac]

I would also like to point out that the Midwest is the only region to have all its ranked teams finish out the way that they were ranked (no pool A upsets).  It is too bad, that deserving pool C teams in the midwest will lose out because the best teams won in the region, while in other regions the "best" teams lost to less qualified teams.

Less qualified by beating the "better" team ahead of them?

[Viking Mike]

Koodos to Bob Quilman on his report on Hoopsville tonight.

His analysis of the strength of the Midwest Region was well put.

He basically was supporting a long look at Augustana when comparing Pool C teams across the nation. 
I often wondered how the committee can compare 2 teams from opposite areas of the nation with no common opponents.
It makes sense to look at the strength of these teams schedules and the conferences they play in.  I keep thinking of the game at Carver against Wash U early on and the glamour and tenacity of that game.   I never would have dreamed that that same team would be sitting where they are tonight.   Hopefully Augie can sneak in.  I don't expect such luck, but one can dream.

Anyway thanks Bob for backing Augie and the CCIW!

[andrewmp]

I would also like to point out that the Midwest is the only region to have all its ranked teams finish out the way that they were ranked (no pool A upsets).  It is too bad, that deserving pool C teams in the midwest will lose out because the best teams won in the region, while in other regions the "best" teams lost to less qualified teams.

Less qualified by beating the "better" team ahead of them?

By less qualified, I am refering to teams that are not even ranked regionally.  I am talking qualified by the selection criteria, where many of these teams, had they not won, would not have even made it into discussion, simply because they would never have been on the board.  They earned it by winning the games they needed to at the very end, even though they lost too many before to earn it the other way.  It just seems to me that a lot of teams that were "supposed to win" didn't, and so the team that had earned the right to be in the national tournament with a full season of work will get in via pool C, while those who were less qualified, i.e. not regionally ranked, will get in by playing well enough to get to their confernece tourney, and then winning two or three games to get in.  
So view the "less qualified" comment as refering to regional rankings, and not "don't have any place to talk about being in the national picture."
For instance, Guiliford and Randolph Macon losing (both "qualified", and Pool A probable), and Virginia Wesleyan, a 7-9 team in conference (16-12 overall, with a .571 regional winning percentage) is less qualified, and they are the pool A team.

[titan2000]

Koodos to Bob Quilman on his report on Hoopsville tonight.

His analysis of the strength of the Midwest Region was well put.

He basically was supporting a long look at Augustana when comparing Pool C teams across the nation. 
I often wondered how the committee can compare 2 teams from opposite areas of the nation with no common opponents.
It makes sense to look at the strength of these teams schedules and the conferences they play in.  I keep thinking of the game at Carver against Wash U early on and the glamour and tenacity of that game.   I never would have dreamed that that same team would be sitting where they are tonight.   Hopefully Augie can sneak in.  I don't expect such luck, but one can dream.

Anyway thanks Bob for backing Augie and the CCIW!

I don't agree with Bob.  But I think the CCIW teams that make it should always play vs. the highest remaining seed throughout the whole tourney since they are the best conference in the country based on my reading of their own analysis.

[petemcb]

Koodos to Bob Quilman on his report on Hoopsville tonight.

His analysis of the strength of the Midwest Region was well put.

He basically was supporting a long look at Augustana when comparing Pool C teams across the nation. 
I often wondered how the committee can compare 2 teams from opposite areas of the nation with no common opponents.
It makes sense to look at the strength of these teams schedules and the conferences they play in.  I keep thinking of the game at Carver against Wash U early on and the glamour and tenacity of that game.   I never would have dreamed that that same team would be sitting where they are tonight.   Hopefully Augie can sneak in.  I don't expect such luck, but one can dream.

Anyway thanks Bob for backing Augie and the CCIW!

I don't agree with Bob.  But I think the CCIW teams that make it should always play vs. the highest remaining seed throughout the whole tourney since they are the best conference in the country based on my reading of their own analysis.

Medication or Anger Management classes.  You choose.

[Viking Mike]

Maybe a little of both.