MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

[B-Triple-Threat]

New to the board, but I have been reading for the past year or so and finally decided to register.....quick thought, even though it relates to some of the ideas posted on here about a week or so ago with all the Midwest powers being in the same bracket...

Has anybody given thought to the fact that in the midwest, D3 basketball is bigger than D-2 basketball? For whatever reason, players prefer going to D-3 schools in the midwest rather than D-2 schools.

I am not familiar with D-2 basketball much, but I cannot think of any D-2 powers that come from the midwest compared to those from the eats and west coasts. Please correct me if I'm wrong in saying this, but I just feel that the popularity of D-3 schools compared to D-2 schools in the midwest is a large reason why the midwest brackets are always stacked.

[Neverwas]

While we're on Kent, perhaps the most memorable part of the night for me was watching Kent Raymond follow up one of those blocked shots by sinking a 3-pointer right in front of the Elmhurst student section while they chanted "overrated" right at him.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pF5MMi3CuD8

and the two momentum-changing dunks

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fw4r2n-FHJU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwlAu7CddX4

Someone that attends the Wheaton games regularly has put up clips from the Elmhurst games (Wheaton's away win and conference finals) and the home NCC regular season finale. Lots of great plays, he's done a good job of getting most of the important, spectacular, or momentum changing plays for Wheaton. You can find them here: http://www.youtube.com/user/jonm145

Sweet find! Thanks for the links.

I know I am a little late on this post but these are sweet highlights.  Did anyone notice how Harris called TO's after both momentous dunks?  Why does he always seem to do this?  I am sure that the Elmhurst coach would have taken at least one TO.  I would think (I'm no coach) you would want to let your team feed off the energy these plays create, right?

[larry_u]

New to the board, but I have been reading for the past year or so and finally decided to register.....quick thought, even though it relates to some of the ideas posted on here about a week or so ago with all the Midwest powers being in the same bracket...

Has anybody given thought to the fact that in the midwest, D3 basketball is bigger than D-2 basketball? For whatever reason, players prefer going to D-3 schools in the midwest rather than D-2 schools.

I am not familiar with D-2 basketball much, but I cannot think of any D-2 powers that come from the midwest compared to those from the eats and west coasts. Please correct me if I'm wrong in saying this, but I just feel that the popularity of D-3 schools compared to D-2 schools in the midwest is a large reason why the midwest brackets are always stacked.

Winona State is a fairly good D2 power....at least in the last 5 years.
Most of the D2 schools I think of as being national powers are southern teams, not coastal teams...but maybe thats just me.

[sac]

New to the board, but I have been reading for the past year or so and finally decided to register.....quick thought, even though it relates to some of the ideas posted on here about a week or so ago with all the Midwest powers being in the same bracket...

Has anybody given thought to the fact that in the midwest, D3 basketball is bigger than D-2 basketball? For whatever reason, players prefer going to D-3 schools in the midwest rather than D-2 schools.

I am not familiar with D-2 basketball much, but I cannot think of any D-2 powers that come from the midwest compared to those from the eats and west coasts. Please correct me if I'm wrong in saying this, but I just feel that the popularity of D-3 schools compared to D-2 schools in the midwest is a large reason why the midwest brackets are always stacked.

Winona State is a fairly good D2 power....at least in the last 5 years.
Most of the D2 schools I think of as being national powers are southern teams, not coastal teams...but maybe thats just me.

D2 Champions have come from all-over.......several from California many years ago.  It depends on if you consider Kentucky midwest........Kentucky Wesleyan and Northern Kentucky have several Naitonal Chamipionships  and trips to the title game between them, along with Southern Indiana.    But yes, I think the South probably has more titles than any other region.


Alot of the early titles in the "college division", which NCAA now plops into the D2 records, came from the Midwest............Wheaton, Wittenberg, Evansville, South Dakota, South Dakota St. and Kentucky Wesleyan all have titles from that era.

There just aren't many D2's from Illinois and Wisconsin, a substantial part of what most of us consider the Midwest.

[petemcb]

While we're on Kent, perhaps the most memorable part of the night for me was watching Kent Raymond follow up one of those blocked shots by sinking a 3-pointer right in front of the Elmhurst student section while they chanted "overrated" right at him.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pF5MMi3CuD8

and the two momentum-changing dunks

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fw4r2n-FHJU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwlAu7CddX4

Someone that attends the Wheaton games regularly has put up clips from the Elmhurst games (Wheaton's away win and conference finals) and the home NCC regular season finale. Lots of great plays, he's done a good job of getting most of the important, spectacular, or momentum changing plays for Wheaton. You can find them here: http://www.youtube.com/user/jonm145

Sweet find! Thanks for the links.

I know I am a little late on this post but these are sweet highlights.  Did anyone notice how Harris called TO's after both momentous dunks?  Why does he always seem to do this?  I am sure that the Elmhurst coach would have taken at least one TO.  I would think (I'm no coach) you would want to let your team feed off the energy these plays create, right?

This is a great question and I agree with you.  I can tell you what I have heard as the answer from coaches I've talked to who employ the same strategy:  they feel that after a potentially demoralizing play such as the ones you give as examples, they want a time out to give the other team more time to sit and feel the loss of momentum, the embarrassment of being dunked on, etc.  Not sure I buy it, but it's an answer I've heard more than once.

[andrewmp]

While we're on Kent, perhaps the most memorable part of the night for me was watching Kent Raymond follow up one of those blocked shots by sinking a 3-pointer right in front of the Elmhurst student section while they chanted "overrated" right at him.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pF5MMi3CuD8

and the two momentum-changing dunks

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fw4r2n-FHJU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwlAu7CddX4

Someone that attends the Wheaton games regularly has put up clips from the Elmhurst games (Wheaton's away win and conference finals) and the home NCC regular season finale. Lots of great plays, he's done a good job of getting most of the important, spectacular, or momentum changing plays for Wheaton. You can find them here: http://www.youtube.com/user/jonm145

Sweet find! Thanks for the links.

I know I am a little late on this post but these are sweet highlights.  Did anyone notice how Harris called TO's after both momentous dunks?  Why does he always seem to do this?  I am sure that the Elmhurst coach would have taken at least one TO.  I would think (I'm no coach) you would want to let your team feed off the energy these plays create, right?

This is a great question and I agree with you.  I can tell you what I have heard as the answer from coaches I've talked to who employ the same strategy:  they feel that after a potentially demoralizing play such as the ones you give as examples, they want a time out to give the other team more time to sit and feel the loss of momentum, the embarrassment of being dunked on, etc.  Not sure I buy it, but it's an answer I've heard more than once.

I think that in these cases, Harris was wanting to set up his defense as well, as both of these dunks provided a lead late in the game.  In the week before, after Carwell's monster dunk, Harris didn't call a time out, NCC did, and I think because there was a foul called, he could set things up talking to two of the guys then instead.

[79jaybird]

On the eve of the NCAA Tournament just want to wish both teams success tomorrow night. 
Elmhurst- eat your wheaties, drink your fluids, do whatever it takes to find and bring your A game which we know you have somewhere in your minds,  and expect an aggressive explosive team from UWW.  The team that showed up in the first against Wheaton last week is the team to find and maintain that consistency. 

[Thunder Dutch]

While we're on Kent, perhaps the most memorable part of the night for me was watching Kent Raymond follow up one of those blocked shots by sinking a 3-pointer right in front of the Elmhurst student section while they chanted "overrated" right at him.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pF5MMi3CuD8

and the two momentum-changing dunks

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fw4r2n-FHJU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwlAu7CddX4

Someone that attends the Wheaton games regularly has put up clips from the Elmhurst games (Wheaton's away win and conference finals) and the home NCC regular season finale. Lots of great plays, he's done a good job of getting most of the important, spectacular, or momentum changing plays for Wheaton. You can find them here: http://www.youtube.com/user/jonm145

Sweet find! Thanks for the links.

I know I am a little late on this post but these are sweet highlights.  Did anyone notice how Harris called TO's after both momentous dunks?  Why does he always seem to do this?  I am sure that the Elmhurst coach would have taken at least one TO.  I would think (I'm no coach) you would want to let your team feed off the energy these plays create, right?

This is a great question and I agree with you.  I can tell you what I have heard as the answer from coaches I've talked to who employ the same strategy:  they feel that after a potentially demoralizing play such as the ones you give as examples, they want a time out to give the other team more time to sit and feel the loss of momentum, the embarrassment of being dunked on, etc.  Not sure I buy it, but it's an answer I've heard more than once.

I think this could definitely be plausible, but I feel this would be far more effective if the team that had just taken the momentum was the home team with good fan support, so the crowd could really be loud during the timeouts, multiplying the discouragement factor. This was definitely true for these two dunks at Wheaton, the Thunder fans were loud and cheering throughout the entire timeout both times.

[CCIWchamps]

While we're on Kent, perhaps the most memorable part of the night for me was watching Kent Raymond follow up one of those blocked shots by sinking a 3-pointer right in front of the Elmhurst student section while they chanted "overrated" right at him.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pF5MMi3CuD8

and the two momentum-changing dunks

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fw4r2n-FHJU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwlAu7CddX4

Someone that attends the Wheaton games regularly has put up clips from the Elmhurst games (Wheaton's away win and conference finals) and the home NCC regular season finale. Lots of great plays, he's done a good job of getting most of the important, spectacular, or momentum changing plays for Wheaton. You can find them here: http://www.youtube.com/user/jonm145

Sweet find! Thanks for the links.

I know I am a little late on this post but these are sweet highlights.  Did anyone notice how Harris called TO's after both momentous dunks?  Why does he always seem to do this?  I am sure that the Elmhurst coach would have taken at least one TO.  I would think (I'm no coach) you would want to let your team feed off the energy these plays create, right?

This is a great question and I agree with you.  I can tell you what I have heard as the answer from coaches I've talked to who employ the same strategy:  they feel that after a potentially demoralizing play such as the ones you give as examples, they want a time out to give the other team more time to sit and feel the loss of momentum, the embarrassment of being dunked on, etc.  Not sure I buy it, but it's an answer I've heard more than once.

I think this could definitely be plausible, but I feel this would be far more effective if the team that had just taken the momentum was the home team with good fan support, so the crowd could really be loud during the timeouts, multiplying the discouragement factor. This was definitely true for these two dunks at Wheaton, the Thunder fans were loud and cheering throughout the entire timeout both times.

I believe I've heard Harris uses that strategy to set up the defense as well.  Something along the lines that he considers the Defensive half just as important/moreso than the offensive possession that just occurred.  It also protects against giving the points right back and turning it into a momentum shift the other way if the opposition is able to strike back right away.  That almost counts as a double shift since they would be stealing your (pun coming...) "Thunder"  and then adding their own.  In any case, I echo what the others have said about it working really well at home with the crowd in it.

[AndOne]

New to the board, but I have been reading for the past year or so and finally decided to register.....quick thought, even though it relates to some of the ideas posted on here about a week or so ago with all the Midwest powers being in the same bracket...

Has anybody given thought to the fact that in the midwest, D3 basketball is bigger than D-2 basketball? For whatever reason, players prefer going to D-3 schools in the midwest rather than D-2 schools.

I am not familiar with D-2 basketball much, but I cannot think of any D-2 powers that come from the midwest compared to those from the eats and west coasts. Please correct me if I'm wrong in saying this, but I just feel that the popularity of D-3 schools compared to D-2 schools in the midwest is a large reason why the midwest brackets are always stacked.

Winona State is a fairly good D2 power....at least in the last 5 years.
Most of the D2 schools I think of as being national powers are southern teams, not coastal teams...but maybe thats just me.

D2 Champions have come from all-over.......several from California many years ago.  It depends on if you consider Kentucky midwest........Kentucky Wesleyan and Northern Kentucky have several Naitonal Chamipionships  and trips to the title game between them, along with Southern Indiana.    But yes, I think the South probably has more titles than any other region.


Alot of the early titles in the "college division", which NCAA now plops into the D2 records, came from the Midwest............Wheaton, Wittenberg, Evansville, South Dakota, South Dakota St. and Kentucky Wesleyan all have titles from that era.

There just aren't many D2's from Illinois and Wisconsin, a substantial part of what most of us consider the Midwest.

There are only 5 DII schools in OH, 4 in IN, 2 in IL, 1 in WI, and 2 in IA.

For a complete list of DII schools. click on the link:

http://www.siue.edu/ATHLETIC/d2/state.html

[John Gleich]

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I believe I've heard Harris uses that strategy to set up the defense as well.  Something along the lines that he considers the Defensive half just as important/moreso than the offensive possession that just occurred.  It also protects against giving the points right back and turning it into a momentum shift the other way if the opposition is able to strike back right away.  That almost counts as a double shift since they would be stealing your (pun coming...) "Thunder"  and then adding their own.  In any case, I echo what the others have said about it working really well at home with the crowd in it.

I do not know for sure, but after an emotional play like that, teams might play more emotional on the defensive end (not necessarily a good thing when you need sound defense and a stop...)

Any idea about available tickets for Wheaton's games?  I'm probably going to make the trip from the northshore for the Saturday night game, depending on the match-ups.

[OurHouse]

I know I am a little late on this post but these are sweet highlights.  Did anyone notice how Harris called TO's after both momentous dunks?  Why does he always seem to do this?  I am sure that the Elmhurst coach would have taken at least one TO.  I would think (I'm no coach) you would want to let your team feed off the energy these plays create, right?
[/quote]

Usually, it is like giving the team that got dunked on, "The Dagger" or, "now what?"

[theoptimist]

Anyone know if there are still tickets available for either of the locations for tonight's games?  Elmhurst's web site seems to be non-functioning at the moment, so a quick search there bore no fruit.  I might make the trip south of the border for one of the two pods, but don't want to navigate the roadway jungle that is Chicago if there will be no space for me.

[usee]

There are still tickets available at the SRC desk at Wheaton College. If you call 630.752.5468 and push 0 to speak to the attendant they can give you an accurate picture of what is left. I just talked with him and he said right now there are about 100 tickets left and he was told by the AD he is getting more.

[sac]

There are only 5 DII schools in OH, 4 in IN, 2 in IL, 1 in WI, and 2 in IA.

For a complete list of DII schools. click on the link:

http://www.siue.edu/ATHLETIC/d2/state.html

Nine from Michigan, we're still in the Midwest.

There are still tickets available at the SRC desk at Wheaton College. If you call 630.752.5468 and push 0 to speak to the attendant they can give you an accurate picture of what is left. I just talked with him and he said right now there are about 100 tickets left and he was told by the AD he is getting more.

I believe Hope is returning about 200 tickets, or in that neighborhood.