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[CCIWchamps]

trust me, I've earned every bit of negative karma. now that we've got that out of the way, how about responding to the content of my post?

I would, but I'm confused what you are saying.  BG was the president of Northwestern University at one time?  NW prays at the end of their games?  Which NW?

[AO]

Northwestern Minnesota

though I didn't mind when strangers would approach me assuming I was a d-1 ball player because my hoody or jacket had purple lettering that said northwestern basketball.

[CCIWchamps]

Northwestern Minnesota

though I didn't mind when strangers would approach me assuming I was a d-1 ball player because my hoody or jacket had purple lettering that said northwestern basketball.

Interesting, I didn't know that he was.  Well now to give you a fair response to your information- and let me put the  up here ahead of time to indicate this is in good nature.

Here's my comparison of your "Wheaton as a Satellite of Northwestern (MN)" Reasoning-

1.  Association with Billy Graham
Wheaton: Graduated BG in 1943, taught him things he would later teach to others.
Northwestern: Operated under BG 1948-1952, learned things from him that he had learned from Wheaton.
Advantage: Wheaton, by 5 years and the direction of information transfer.

2.  Buildings named after Billy Graham
Wheaton: The Billy Graham Center, built in 1980, houses the BGC Museum and artifacts of the history of modern Evangelism.
Northwestern: Scheduled to open new student center in 2010, will house ping pong tables and a buffet.
Advantage: Wheaton, by 30 years and lack of the cafeteria smell.

3.  Prayer after basketball games
Wheaton: Unknown origin.
Northwestern: Unknown origin.
Advantage: Tie.  (Though likely Wheaton, based on #1 and #2 above.  Based on the limited sample arguments, one can only presume that Northwestern picked up the tradition a few years after Wheaton.)

Conclusion: Wheaton College is not a satellite campus of Northwestern College. 
In fact, one may believe the opposite, that Northwestern is attempting to align itself with Wheaton to confuse prospective students.  A similar effect is noticed in the naming, color scheme, and winter conditions of Northwestern, which currently lures prospective students from Chicago's North shore with purple cold-weather fanwear with simple lettering: "Northwestern Basketball." 

[AO]

Northwestern Minnesota

though I didn't mind when strangers would approach me assuming I was a d-1 ball player because my hoody or jacket had purple lettering that said northwestern basketball.

Interesting, I didn't know that he was.  Well now to give you a fair response to your information- and let me put the  up here ahead of time to indicate this is in good nature.

Here's my comparison of your "Wheaton as a Satellite of Northwestern (MN)" Reasoning-

1.  Association with Billy Graham
Wheaton: Graduated BG in 1943, taught him things he would later teach to others.
Northwestern: Operated under BG 1948-1952, learned things from him that he had learned from Wheaton.
Advantage: Wheaton, by 5 years and the direction of information transfer.

2.  Buildings named after Billy Graham
Wheaton: The Billy Graham Center, built in 1980, houses the BGC Museum and artifacts of the history of modern Evangelism.
Northwestern: Scheduled to open new student center in 2010, will house ping pong tables and a buffet.
Advantage: Wheaton, by 30 years and lack of the cafeteria smell.

3.  Prayer after basketball games
Wheaton: Unknown origin.
Northwestern: Unknown origin.
Advantage: Tie.  (Though likely Wheaton, based on #1 and #2 above.  Based on the limited sample arguments, one can only presume that Northwestern picked up the tradition a few years after Wheaton.)

Conclusion: Wheaton College is not a satellite campus of Northwestern College. 
In fact, one may believe the opposite, that Northwestern is attempting to align itself with Wheaton to confuse prospective students.  A similar effect is noticed in the naming, color scheme, and winter conditions of Northwestern, which currently lures prospective students from Chicago's North shore with purple cold-weather fanwear with simple lettering: "Northwestern Basketball." 

full disclosure, I don't think Billy wanted the job at Northwestern.  the former president was on his death bed when he convinced billy to take over for him.  I also don't believe billy did a terribly good job as president as he was occupied with establishing the Billy Graham Evangelistic Association (also based out of minneapolis-not chicago).

as for the after-game prayer, I am proud of it's origin.  not proud in the sense of one-upping wheaton.  Wheaton came to play us back in 03-04 and we received word later from harris that they had really liked our practice of praying with the other team after the game and had decided to start doing that at wheaton's home games as well.   

wheaton is a great school but northwestern has some advantages in the recruiting battle of christian athletes.   for instance--they are more easily able to admit dummies like me! 

[Mugsy]

Northwestern Minnesota

though I didn't mind when strangers would approach me assuming I was a d-1 ball player because my hoody or jacket had purple lettering that said northwestern basketball.

Interesting, I didn't know that he was.  Well now to give you a fair response to your information- and let me put the  up here ahead of time to indicate this is in good nature.

Here's my comparison of your "Wheaton as a Satellite of Northwestern (MN)" Reasoning-

1.  Association with Billy Graham
Wheaton: Graduated BG in 1943, taught him things he would later teach to others.
Northwestern: Operated under BG 1948-1952, learned things from him that he had learned from Wheaton.
Advantage: Wheaton, by 5 years and the direction of information transfer.

2.  Buildings named after Billy Graham
Wheaton: The Billy Graham Center, built in 1980, houses the BGC Museum and artifacts of the history of modern Evangelism.
Northwestern: Scheduled to open new student center in 2010, will house ping pong tables and a buffet.
Advantage: Wheaton, by 30 years and lack of the cafeteria smell.

3.  Prayer after basketball games
Wheaton: Unknown origin.
Northwestern: Unknown origin.
Advantage: Tie.  (Though likely Wheaton, based on #1 and #2 above.  Based on the limited sample arguments, one can only presume that Northwestern picked up the tradition a few years after Wheaton.)

Conclusion: Wheaton College is not a satellite campus of Northwestern College. 
In fact, one may believe the opposite, that Northwestern is attempting to align itself with Wheaton to confuse prospective students.  A similar effect is noticed in the naming, color scheme, and winter conditions of Northwestern, which currently lures prospective students from Chicago's North shore with purple cold-weather fanwear with simple lettering: "Northwestern Basketball." 

full disclosure, I don't think Billy wanted the job at Northwestern.  the former president was on his death bed when he convinced billy to take over for him.  I also don't believe billy did a terribly good job as president as he was occupied with establishing the Billy Graham Evangelistic Association (also based out of minneapolis-not chicago).

as for the after-game prayer, I am proud of it's origin.  not proud in the sense of one-upping wheaton.  Wheaton came to play us back in 03-04 and we received word later from harris that they had really liked our practice of praying with the other team after the game and had decided to start doing that at wheaton's home games as well.   

wheaton is a great school but northwestern has some advantages in the recruiting battle of christian athletes.   for instance--they are more easily able to admit dummies like me! 

I've been around Wheaton football for close to 25 years.  The Wheaton football team has a tradition of praying for injured players (from both teams) as trainers are attending to them.  In addition the team spends time in prayer following each game.  I'm sure this has tradition goes back further than that. 

[markerickson]

Northwestern (MN) has a prettier campus than Wheaton.  Situated on Lake Johanna, Northwestern is an NAIA school, I believe.  I have gone water skiing, tubing, swimming, kayaking and snow shoe-ing at Lake Johanna.  My mom's uncle -a Dane who immigrated to the USA in his early 20s - built one of the first homes on the lake's shoreline.  I've even seen a loon on the water; no loons in Billy Graham land.

[AO]

Northwestern (MN) has a prettier campus than Wheaton.  Situated on Lake Johanna, Northwestern is an NAIA school (up until 2005-now ncaa d3), I believe.  I have gone water skiing, tubing, swimming, kayaking and snow shoe-ing at Lake Johanna.  My mom's uncle -a Dane who immigrated to the USA in his early 20s - built one of the first homes on the lake's shoreline.  I've even seen a loon on the water; no loons in Billy Graham land.

[Gregory Sager]

1.  Association with Billy Graham
Wheaton: Graduated BG in 1943, taught him things he would later teach to others.

Humility not being one of them, apparently.

I've even seen a loon on the water; no loons in Billy Graham land.

Must ... resist ... straight line ... urge to wisecrack ... growing stronger ...

[CCIWchamps]

Northwestern Minnesota

though I didn't mind when strangers would approach me assuming I was a d-1 ball player because my hoody or jacket had purple lettering that said northwestern basketball.

Interesting, I didn't know that he was.  Well now to give you a fair response to your information- and let me put the  up here ahead of time to indicate this is in good nature.

Here's my comparison of your "Wheaton as a Satellite of Northwestern (MN)" Reasoning-

1.  Association with Billy Graham
Wheaton: Graduated BG in 1943, taught him things he would later teach to others.
Northwestern: Operated under BG 1948-1952, learned things from him that he had learned from Wheaton.
Advantage: Wheaton, by 5 years and the direction of information transfer.

2.  Buildings named after Billy Graham
Wheaton: The Billy Graham Center, built in 1980, houses the BGC Museum and artifacts of the history of modern Evangelism.
Northwestern: Scheduled to open new student center in 2010, will house ping pong tables and a buffet.
Advantage: Wheaton, by 30 years and lack of the cafeteria smell.

3.  Prayer after basketball games
Wheaton: Unknown origin.
Northwestern: Unknown origin.
Advantage: Tie.  (Though likely Wheaton, based on #1 and #2 above.  Based on the limited sample arguments, one can only presume that Northwestern picked up the tradition a few years after Wheaton.)

Conclusion: Wheaton College is not a satellite campus of Northwestern College. 
In fact, one may believe the opposite, that Northwestern is attempting to align itself with Wheaton to confuse prospective students.  A similar effect is noticed in the naming, color scheme, and winter conditions of Northwestern, which currently lures prospective students from Chicago's North shore with purple cold-weather fanwear with simple lettering: "Northwestern Basketball." 

full disclosure, I don't think Billy wanted the job at Northwestern.  the former president was on his death bed when he convinced billy to take over for him.  I also don't believe billy did a terribly good job as president as he was occupied with establishing the Billy Graham Evangelistic Association (also based out of minneapolis-not chicago).

as for the after-game prayer, I am proud of it's origin.  not proud in the sense of one-upping wheaton.  Wheaton came to play us back in 03-04 and we received word later from harris that they had really liked our practice of praying with the other team after the game and had decided to start doing that at wheaton's home games as well.   

wheaton is a great school but northwestern has some advantages in the recruiting battle of christian athletes.   for instance--they are more easily able to admit dummies like me! 

I just got back from work, and I have to say that your Billy Graham information was news to quite a few people.  Many were impressed to learn he was a college president, and at the age of 30!  Thanks for the random trivia!

[Dennis_Prikkel]

Northwestern Minnesota

though I didn't mind when strangers would approach me assuming I was a d-1 ball player because my hoody or jacket had purple lettering that said northwestern basketball.

Interesting, I didn't know that he was.  Well now to give you a fair response to your information- and let me put the  up here ahead of time to indicate this is in good nature.

Here's my comparison of your "Wheaton as a Satellite of Northwestern (MN)" Reasoning-

1.  Association with Billy Graham
Wheaton: Graduated BG in 1943, taught him things he would later teach to others.
Northwestern: Operated under BG 1948-1952, learned things from him that he had learned from Wheaton.
Advantage: Wheaton, by 5 years and the direction of information transfer.

2.  Buildings named after Billy Graham
Wheaton: The Billy Graham Center, built in 1980, houses the BGC Museum and artifacts of the history of modern Evangelism.
Northwestern: Scheduled to open new student center in 2010, will house ping pong tables and a buffet.
Advantage: Wheaton, by 30 years and lack of the cafeteria smell.

3.  Prayer after basketball games
Wheaton: Unknown origin.
Northwestern: Unknown origin.
Advantage: Tie.  (Though likely Wheaton, based on #1 and #2 above.  Based on the limited sample arguments, one can only presume that Northwestern picked up the tradition a few years after Wheaton.)

Conclusion: Wheaton College is not a satellite campus of Northwestern College. 
In fact, one may believe the opposite, that Northwestern is attempting to align itself with Wheaton to confuse prospective students.  A similar effect is noticed in the naming, color scheme, and winter conditions of Northwestern, which currently lures prospective students from Chicago's North shore with purple cold-weather fanwear with simple lettering: "Northwestern Basketball." 

full disclosure, I don't think Billy wanted the job at Northwestern.  the former president was on his death bed when he convinced billy to take over for him.  I also don't believe billy did a terribly good job as president as he was occupied with establishing the Billy Graham Evangelistic Association (also based out of minneapolis-not chicago).

as for the after-game prayer, I am proud of it's origin.  not proud in the sense of one-upping wheaton.  Wheaton came to play us back in 03-04 and we received word later from harris that they had really liked our practice of praying with the other team after the game and had decided to start doing that at wheaton's home games as well.   

wheaton is a great school but northwestern has some advantages in the recruiting battle of christian athletes.   for instance--they are more easily able to admit dummies like me! 

I just got back from work, and I have to say that your Billy Graham information was news to quite a few people.  Many were impressed to learn he was a college president, and at the age of 30!  Thanks for the random trivia!

There was a Bill Graham who pitched for the North Park baseball team in the seventies - Bosko used to call him "The Evangelist".

Probably not the same guy.

dgp

[Dennis_Prikkel]

Ive worked for the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America for the last 21 years.

I worked at North Park College, the school of the Evangelical Covenant Church for 19 years.

And over the last 49 summers I've worked and vacationed at Camp-of-the-Woods in Speculator, New York, probably the most "evangelical" of the three by the modern usage of the word.

When I went to North Park in 1965 I knew more students at Wheaton (because of Camp of the Woods), then I did at NPC.

Camp of the Woods four most popular college campuses for student workers ( 180 to 200 on staff each summer) are Wheaton, Taylor, Houghton & Gordon (the holy four of east/midwest "evangelical" schools).

dgp

[devildog29]

Just finished reading a short book titled "And then Ditka said to Payton..."  It's a collection of anecdotes from Dan Jiggetts and Fred Mitchell about the history of the Bears.  The prose certainly lacks a bit but some of the stories are amusing.  They do talk about the relationship between Mike Holmgren and the McCaskey family via their connections to North Park.  Nice little pub about the school and the new athletic complex.

[Titan Q]

6-7 Erik Dornfield (Geneseo H.S.) to Elmhurst...

http://ilprepbullseye.com/page37.html


Dornfeld chose Elmhurst over a host of other D3 programs, including Lake Forest, Augustana and Judson.  He sited his desire to be close to Chicago, his comfort with the Elmhurst coaching staff and the fact that Elmhurst will provide him with promising internship opportunities related to his major (accounting) as all being key factors in his decision.  Dornfeld averaged 12.2 ppg and 6.2 rpg at Geneseo this past season. 

In addition, Dornfeld also emphasized how instrumental Elmhurst assistant coach John Baines was in his recruitment, saying that he recruited him harder than any other coach.  Dornfeld's commitment is further proof as to how successfully the College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin continues to recruit the state of Illinois, as 6'7 Luke Scarlata from Morton High School in Cicero, IL recently committed to Augustana and 6'2 shooting guard Dan Oswald from Riverside-Brookfield High School in Riverside, IL announced for Illinois Wesleyan. 

[augiefan]

Dornfeld sounds like a nice pick up for the Jays. They have some talented players to replace. Thanks to the Reade family and friends Geneseo has usually been fertile recruiting ground for Augie but not this time.

[Gregory Sager]

This is not a comment one way or the other on Erik Dornfeld, but I'm not particularly impressed by a Chicagoland-based recruiting website that thinks that Judson is a D3 program.