MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

[petemcb]

Actually, I guess I was assuming you were asking when the W/W Hybrids were playing again.  If you were instead, or also, asking about IWU, they play Thursday this week at 8:10 versus Loras.  That is the end of their summer regular season.  The league playoffs start after August 4. 

Carthage, with three of their recruits, will be playing this Thursday at 7:00 p.m.  Augie will be playing on the other court during IWU's game at 8:10 Thursday.  Then at 9:20 NCC and NPU square off.  Could be an interesting evening.

[Gregory Sager]

I didn't look it up when I typed that post, and I probably should've. I took a stab in the dark that "nexuses" is the plural of "nexus". Both Merriam-Webster and American Heritage say that either "nexus" or "nexuses" are acceptable plurals for "nexus".

English words borrowed from Latin are tricky, because some of them have been modified to take English plurals rather than Latin ones, while others have managed to hold onto their Latin plurals even though they don't really make sense in English. Take "stadium", f'rinstance. The proper Latin plural is "stadia", and even though it's still considered to be an acceptable plural in English, it sounds strange and has been largely superseded by the equally-acceptable "stadiums". On the other hand, the word "alumnus" still retains its Latin plural, "alumni", in English -- and, as far as I know, nobody has ever tried to throw out "alumni" and replace it with "alumnuses".

Something that I run into  more frequently lately is the use of "alumni" when speaking in the singular. 

Yeah, I see quite a bit of that as well.

[AndOne]

OK then, English class is dismissed.
Welcome to Sport Management 320---Athletic Budget Control

Without using the word "inevitable" I would like anyone's and everyone's opinion regarding the new CCIW policy of women's/men's doubleheaders for weekend CCIW conference games beginning this season. I understand soccer will also be going to a similar format.

From consulting with various league sources, I have been able to ascertain the following information.

1. The school presidents basically mandated to the athletic directors that they find ways to reduce athletic dept expenses.
2. The majority of the ADs felt basketball doubleheaders were an "easy" solution to partial realization of the goal. One of the reasons for this, is that the CCIW is evidently one of the last major DIII conferences in the nation to adopt this policy.
3. Several of the W's/M's head coaches did not enthusiastically embrace the idea including a few who were especially strong in their opposition to adoption of such a policy. Their opposition was given little consideration by the ADs, and even less by the school presidents.
4. The host school was given the option of having the woman play at 2 PM followed by the men at 4:30, or starting the women's game at 5 PM with the men beginning at the traditional 7:30. Accordingly, Saturday start times are schools, rather that the league office, choice.
5. This, of course, eliminates the possibility of the first game being a men's JV game on any weekend date.

So what do the FANS think?   

[Dennis_Prikkel]

OK then, English class is dismissed.
Welcome to Sport Management 320---Athletic Budget Control

Without using the word "inevitable" I would like anyone's and everyone's opinion regarding the new CCIW policy of women's/men's doubleheaders for weekend CCIW conference games beginning this season. I understand soccer will also be going to a similar format.

From consulting with various league sources, I have been able to ascertain the following information.

1. The school presidents basically mandated to the athletic directors that they find ways to reduce athletic dept expenses.
2. The majority of the ADs felt basketball doubleheaders were an "easy" solution to partial realization of the goal. One of the reasons for this, is that the CCIW is evidently one of the last major DIII conferences in the nation to adopt this policy.
3. Several of the W's/M's head coaches did not enthusiastically embrace the idea including a few who were especially strong in their opposition to adoption of such a policy. Their opposition was given little consideration by the ADs, and even less by the school presidents.
4. The host school was given the option of having the woman play at 2 PM followed by the men at 4:30, or starting the women's game at 5 PM with the men beginning at the traditional 7:30. Accordingly, Saturday start times are schools, rather that the league office, choice.
5. This, of course, eliminates the possibility of the first game being a men's JV game on any weekend date.

So what do the FANS think?   

AO: I have no problem with it at all - money rules - and everyone has to tighten their belts sometime.  This will probably mean fewer jayvee games or even jayvee teams for a couple of schools.

dgp

[Wydown Blvd.]

Triple headers may be a fun idea (esp if the school picks the latter start time). Jayvee (mens or womens) games before the women's game....

[petemcb]

Triple headers may be a fun idea (esp if the school picks the latter start time). Jayvee (mens or womens) games before the women's game....

I'm in.  In most cases, the jv team is the lower end of the varsity bench.  They're already traveling with the varsity.  Rarely is there an overnight stay involved.  Not much savings that I can see in eliminating the JV games if the tripleheader is an option. 

[Titan Q]

I recently heard Elmhurst is getting James Robertson (6-2 SG, Peoria Richwoods H.S.), who walked on at Bradley last year.  If true, it's significant...he can really play.


http://www.bradleybraves.com/ViewArticle.dbml?SPSID=19333&SPID=1498&DB_OEM_ID=3400&ATCLID=1599600&Q_SEASON=2009

http://www.examiner.com/x-7020-Bradley-Braves-Examiner~y2009m7d28-200910-Player-Outlook--James-Robertson

[Titan Q]

Also heard Carthage ended up getting Raul Guzman (Cicero Morton), who Bosko really recruited hard last year.  I think he is a 6-4 or 6-5 "combo forward."  He may have actually scored more than Scarlata last year...not quite sure.

[Titan Q]

I could have this one wrong, but Mike Saris to North Central?

http://www.njcaa.org/colleges_college_roster.cfm?category=Roster&collegeId=1304&sid=5&slid=2


(Older brother of Jimmy, Elmhurst.)

[Gregory Sager]

Triple headers may be a fun idea (esp if the school picks the latter start time). Jayvee (mens or womens) games before the women's game....

I'm in.  In most cases, the jv team is the lower end of the varsity bench.  They're already traveling with the varsity.  Rarely is there an overnight stay involved.  Not much savings that I can see in eliminating the JV games if the tripleheader is an option. 

I suppose that the Saturday tripleheader could be a cost-cutter if all three teams are traveling together on the same bus. If you have, say twenty men's players and a dozen women's players, plus the coaches and support staff of the two teams, people won't have the room to stretch out on the rented coach buses that they used to have -- but you could still probably fit everyone onto one bus. Since CCIW teams don't stay overnight after league games (unless there's a major snowstorm that closes down the interstates), hotel accommodations won't be an issue.

My suspicion is that CCIW men's Saturday JV games will commonly be scheduled for 2 pm or 2:30 pm. I don't think anyone will have an issue with that; JV games tend to be sparsely attended, and women's games seem to draw more than do the JV games (at least from what I've seen in various CCIW gyms), with men's varsity games drawing by far the biggest crowds. The Saturday tripleheaders would thus fit the established pattern of attendance. The big complaint will be from those who either want to exclusively watch the women play, or those who don't want to watch the women play, since the two crowds might bleed into each other. But I don't really think it'll be that big of a deal.

[AndOne]

I could have this one wrong, but Mike Saris to North Central?

http://www.njcaa.org/colleges_college_roster.cfm?category=Roster&collegeId=1304&sid=5&slid=2

(Older brother of Jimmy, Elmhurst.)

I can confirm Bob's report.

Mike Saris--5'10" PG--Crystal Lake South/McHenry Jr. College

Last season at McHenry:

** 15.4 ppg, 4.5 apg,  3.2 spg, 3.8 rpg
** 70 made 3 point shots--36%
** Illinois Skyway Collegiate Conference All Conference player


And yes, indeed, the bother of Elmhurst's Jimmy Saris

[RogK]

Hello from over on the CCIW women's board.
While I prefer a sparsely-attended women's game myself, I will cautiously invite you men's fans to see (and report on) some female hoops in '09-'10, as long as you sit high up in the stands and remain quiet, save the occasional loud, Barney Gumble-esque belch.
We can use a lot more contributions to the women's board. During the recent seasons, we hardly ever got anything from fans of Augie, Carthage, Millikin and North Central. Observations on the other four teams wouldn't hurt either, of course.
Some of you might find the women's game addictive. We have some excellent players and nearly all teams are bringing in a flock of newcomers.

[AndOne]

Also heard Carthage ended up getting Raul Guzman (Cicero Morton), who Bosko really recruited hard last year.  I think he is a 6-4 or 6-5 "combo forward."  He may have actually scored more than Scarlata last year...not quite sure.

If true, it appears Bosko has landed another player (6"5" 245) with both plenty of basketball skills, and plenty of potentially serious roadblocks to the attainment of a degree.

Raul's skill on the court actually began to stand out to stand out during his soph season at Cicero Morton. It became more apparent 2 yrs ago in then his junior year, and came to the forefront last season when he was named West Suburban Conference Gold Division POY. He really stepped up when All-Sate teammate Luke Scarlata went down with an appendectomy and missed 8 or 10 games. Raul lacks quickness, but has good footwork and is tough inside. He can also step outside and reliably hit the 3, converting 37% from beyond the arc last season. Additionally, he is an adept passer for a big man, dishing out almost 4 apg. His basketball shortcomings are primarily related to his lack of quickness--he doesn't run the floor well, and a large percentage of his rebounds were obtained as a result of the ball bouncing directly to him off the rim/board as he lacks lateral quickness to move to the ball. This also makes him a defensive liability particularly in man coverage.    

Raul's real challenge will come off the court. He has had some problems relative to self discipline. Perhaps most noteworthy was that in speaking with several HS coaches and adults familiar with the situation the consensus was that whatever school got Raul would need to assign one staff member to him on almost a full time basis just to monitor him and keep him on course.

Of course, this is not to say kids don't mature or that any particular coaching staff cannot effectively prevent or manage any disruptive situations that may arise.
Much luck to Mr. Guzman at CC.

*Edited spelling error

[dansand]

Also heard Carthage ended up getting Raul Guzman (Cicero Morton), who Bosko really recruited hard last year.  I think he is a 6-4 or 6-5 "combo forward."  He may have actually scored more than Scarlata last year...not quite sure.

Guzman had previously signed with Danville Area CC.

http://www.commercial-news.com/sports/local_story_171015333.html

http://www.njcaa.org/colleges_college_intent.cfm?collegeid=1572&sid=5&slid=2&category=Intent

Given Carthage's current lack of bigs, I would think he has the potential to be an immediate contributor.

Also...I've updated the recruit list on page 1317 with Q's most recent additions. If anyone has any other commitments, I'd be glad to add 'em.

[Dennis_Prikkel]

North Park recruiting....

its getting close to that time, Greg, any word on North Park's recruiting class.

dgp