MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

[AndOne]

Q, with great trepidation, I'm stepping in on your debate with AO.

I think(?) AO's main point was not that Johnson was a disappointment, but surprise that you think he will be beaten out as a starter.  (You already partially addressed this point by saying you think Zimmer and Johnson will both be 20+ minute players.)  Is there anything besides the height advantage that leads you to the conclusion for starting role?

[BTW, I'm guessing AO slightly mis-spoke about the 'hype entering the league' - I'm guessing he was referring to the (deserved) hype by part-way thru his freshman year.  I haven't gone back to check, but I don't recall much hype before his freshman year.]

Exactly, Mr. When I 1st saw TQ had left Johnson out of his projected starting lineup, I was initially very surprised. I'm not saying Johnson is a bad player by any means. Just so we're straight here is what I do think.
1. The main "hype" I remember was probably Bob's when Sean was announced as a Wesleyan recruit. Not even he can deny there is nobody in all of D3Hoopsland that so vociferously trumpets, and forecasts lofty accomplishments for, his school's recruits as Bob.  And as both an alum and strong supporter, thats how it should be.
2. I don't believe he deserved the all conference selection following his freshman year. I think his selection was more a result of his team's 2nd place finish than his individual accomplishment as good as it was. That also is not to say he is a bad player. However, there is no doubt at least one player (Matt Rogers) who didn't make all conference deserved it more than Sean. On the other hand maybe he deserved it more than another player who also made the 3rd team.
3. If a player makes all conference his 1st year, starts in his 2nd year but doesn't come close to making all conference again, and then isn't even projected as a starter in his 3rd year by someone who should know--I'd say he has regressed. In Bob's own words above "Johnson did not take that step forward that you hope a player does from his freshman year to sophomore."
4. Maybe its just me, but Johnson's court demeanor and attitude seem, at least at times, to go beyond confidence. I've definitely seen him sneer/smirk at other teams/players who either had less wins than his team or inferior stats than his. Also, I haven't been thrilled with the fist pumps I've seen him display more than a few times. Yes, Sean, that was a nice shot, now go back and play some defense.  And you bet I'd tell the same thing to a player on the team I root for if I saw/see him exhibiting the same behavior!
JMHO, and I think this case s/b closed.

[Gregory Sager]

Just as a follow-up on the Ryan Beigie conversation, I don't mean for my comments to be taken as a putdown of Beigie. He's a solid player who got a lot of minutes as a freshman who will, I suspect, contribute a lot to the North Park program over the next three seasons. But, based upon what I've seen and heard, I think that he's going to have an uphill fight to make his way into the rotation in 2009-10.

Exactly, Mr. When I 1st saw TQ had left Johnson out of his projected starting lineup, I was initially very surprised. I'm not saying Johnson is a bad player by any means. Just so we're straight here is what I do think.
1. The main "hype" I remember was probably Bob's when Sean was announced as a Wesleyan recruit. Not even he can deny there is nobody in all of D3Hoopsland that so vociferously trumpets, and forecasts lofty accomplishments for, his school's recruits as Bob.  And as both an alum and strong supporter, thats how it should be.

I dunno. Bob does do those things, but there are other posters who are known for hyping their school's recruits. There's fcnews for Fontbonne over in the SLIAC room, for example, and there are several Hope and Calvin fans who really know how to work the room when it comes to recruit boosterism. A couple of the Wooster guys certainly know how to talk up their incoming freshmen as well. And there are lots of other examples I could name. As you said, there's nothing wrong with any of that. You and I and Dan do it to at least some degree for NCC, NPU, and Augie, respectively, too, although we may not be as interested in projecting future performance levels for recruits as Bob is. The main difference with Bob is that he tends to bring a lot more info to the table in terms of a recruit's high school background than do most of the other people who're touting their school's recruits on the message boards.

2. I don't believe he deserved the all conference selection following his freshman year. I think his selection was more a result of his team's 2nd place finish than his individual accomplishment as good as it was. That also is not to say he is a bad player. However, there is no doubt at least one player (Matt Rogers) who didn't make all conference deserved it more than Sean. On the other hand maybe he deserved it more than another player who also made the 3rd team.

I thought that there was a good case to be made for Rogers, and I also thought that Jason Gordon should've made the team ahead of Johnson, too. I had several bones to pick with that year's team, and those were among them. But, as both you and Bob pointed out, the long-established m.o. of the CCIW's coaches is to pick All-CCIW teams based in large part upon how the teams finish, and selecting Johnson for the third team was a nod in the direction of the league's second-place finisher, IWU. I've never really had a problem with that policy of the coaches, since it reinforces the truism that basketball is a team game and it ever-so-slightly shifts the emphasis off of the individual, even though the All-CCIW team is in fact a set of fifteen different individual awards.

4. Maybe its just me, but Johnson's court demeanor and attitude seem, at least at times, to go beyond confidence. I've definitely seen him sneer/smirk at other teams/players who either had less wins than his team or inferior stats than his. Also, I haven't been thrilled with the fist pumps I've seen him display more than a few times. Yes, Sean, that was a nice shot, now go back and play some defense.  And you bet I'd tell the same thing to a player on the team I root for if I saw/see him exhibiting the same behavior!

I haven't noticed that, but maybe it's just a case of which particular IWU games the two of us are seeing. Then again, I don't really pay much attention to a player's woofing and/or grandstanding unless it's really blatant.

[Titan Q]

Here is the direct quote of what I posted when Sean Johnson committed to IWU in April of 2007...

A bit of recruiting news...

All-state shooting guard Sean Johnson (6-1) from Washington H.S. has decided to attend Illinois Wesleyan.  I think Sean will be a very good CCIW player.  Here is a feature from the January 29 edition of ILL. Hoops magazine, courtesy of publisher Scott Powers...

http://www.iwuhoops.com/sj.pdf
(pages 4-7)

This year Johnson really stepped out of the big shadow of teammate Matt Roth (being recruited by Northwestern, ISU, Bradley, SIU, and others). Johnson averaged 18.3 ppg for a team that was ranked #2 in Class AA for a large portion of the year. In his final game, he scored 35 points (20 in the 4th quarter) vs Peoria Richwoods in the sectional championship, almost leading his team back from a huge deficit. He made the 5-man Journal Star All-star team, ahead of at least one Division I recruit (Justin Dehm, Richwoods H.S. - Furman).

Johnson received significant interested from D1 Eastern Illinois and a few other low D1's and several Missouri Valley schools talked to him about walking-on. He was also recruited pretty heavily by a number of D2 schools, including SIU-Edwardsville.

Ron Rose and staff have found a good player here.


Related links:

http://www.pjstar.com/sports/allstars/boysbasketball/2006-2007/classaaallstar.shtml

http://www.ibca-il.org/Boys%20Class%20AA%20All-State_07.htm

I'm very comfortable with what I said...Sean Johnson is a good player.  And he has had a good first two years in the CCIW.

My projection of who will start at the 2 for the Titans has way more to do with positive thoughts about Jordan Zimmer than it does negative about Sean Johnson.  Both have potential to be very good Division III shooting guards.  My thought is, simply, that Zimmer is a really good shooter too (53-104 3-pt on the season as a freshman), but is 4-5 inches taller.  I can easily see him winning an intense preseason competition...but  I can also see Johnson winning that battle.  Like I said, either way, both are going to play a ton for the Titans in 2009-10.  (Zimmer's minutes can also come at the 3.)

Having seen every IWU conference game in 2008, I would have considered it a crime had Johnson not made that 3rd Team All-CCIW selection.  He made big shot after big shot late in games that season and helped the Titans finish 2nd in the regular season and 2nd in the conference tournament.  His play was instrumental in 3 victories over Kent Raymond and Wheaton, and in several other IWU wins.  And again, if you look at the stats of players from 2nd place teams who make the all-conference team, they're right in line with Johnson's from 2008.

[dansand]

Here's the updated recruit list.

Augustana:
Jonathan DeMoss, 6-3, 200, St. Charles, IL (North HS)
2007-08: 12.3 ppg, 4.0 rpg, 2.4 apg, 1.5 spg
2008-09: 10.2 ppg, 4.4 rpg, 3.4 apg, 1.1 spg
*St. Charles North career leader in scoring, rebounding and assists
*2-time Upstate Eight All-Conference (+Honorable mention as a soph)
*2-time Daily Herald & St. Charles Republican All-Area
*Kane County Chronicle (HM) and Courier News All-Area (2nd team)
*IBCA Class 3A/4A Special mention All-State

George Dexter, 6-6, 200, Bettendorf, IA (Bettendorf HS)

Year     GP   FG-FGA   Pct 3FG-FGA   Pct  FT-FTA   Pct  Off Def  Tot  Avg  PF   A  TO Blk Stl  Pts  Avg
2008-09  26   96-202  .475   2-9    .222  88-117  .752   55  98  153  5.9  64  34  55  11  29  282 10.8

*1st team All-Mississippi Athletic Conference
*Quad City Times 2nd team All-Metro
*Iowa-Illinois Senior Showcase participant
*IBCA Southeast Region All-Star
*4A All-Sub-State
*Ranked 27th overall in Iowa class of 2009 by IAHoops.com

Brandon Kunz, 6-7, 200, Lake Zurich, IL (Lake Zurich HS)

Year     GP   FG-FGA   Pct 3FG-FGA   Pct  FT-FTA   Pct  Off Def  Tot  Avg  PF   A  TO Blk Stl  Pts  Avg
2006-07  27   54-115  .470   0-0       -  38-67   .567           130  4.8      35      16  28  146  5.4
2007-08  21  101-178  .567   0-0       -  33-54   .611           141  6.7      25      24  33  235 11.2
2008-09  29  145-278  .522   2-9    .222  57-97   .588   99 193  292 10.1  84  66  59  67  27  349 12.0

*Lake Zurich single-game record holder for rebounds (23) and blocked shots (10)
*Daily Herald Lake County All-Area
*Highland Park News 2nd team All-Area
*Sun Times All-Area Special mention
*Lake County News Sun Special mention All-Lake County
*IBCA 3A/4A North All-Star

Kameron Norton, 6-6, 205, Downers Grove, IL (Downers Grove North HS)
2008-09: 13.0 ppg, 8.5 rpg, 75% FT
*Grandson of former heavyweight boxing champion Ken Norton
*All-Elgin Holiday Tournament
*West Suburban Silver All-Conference
*Downers Grove Reporter Progress All-Area
*Daily Herald DuPage County Honorable mention All-Area
*2nd place 2009 IHSA Class 4A Slam Dunk Contest

Luke Scarlata, 6-8, 235, Berwyn, IL (Morton Township HS)         
2006-07: 6.3 ppg, 5 rpg, 3 bpg
2007-08: 15 ppg, 10 rpg, 3 spg, 3 bpg, 2 apg
2008-09: 14.1 ppg, 11.2 rpg, 4.3 bpg, 2.2 apg
*Ranked 46th overall in Illinois class of 2009 by the Chicago Sun Times
*3-time Suburban Life All-Area
*2008 West Suburban Gold Conference Player of the Year
*2-time West Suburban Gold All-Conference
*2-time Chicago Tribune Special Mention All-State
*IBCA 3A/4A 3rd team All-State
*Champaign News-Gazette Honorable mention All-State
*IBS Large School Honorable mention All-State
*IBCA 3A/4A North All-Star

Kevin Waibel, 6-7, 210, Morton, IL (Morton HS)
2007-08: 10.5 ppg, 4.3 rpg, .598 FG%, 20 blocked shots
2008-09: 6.4 ppg, 5.1 rpg
*2008 2nd team All-Mid-Illini Conference


Carthage:
Raul Guzman, 6-5, 255, Cicero Morton...15.4 ppg, 10.3 rpg, 3.8 apg, 2.3 bpg, 37% 3p...West Suburban Gold Conference Player of the Year...Suburban Life Area Player of the Year...IBCA Class 3A/4A Special mention All-State

Tyler Pierce, 6-5, Westmont...Downers Grove Reporter Progress Area Player of the Year...IBCA 1A/2A 1st team All-State...IBS Small School Honorable mention All-State...AP 2A Honorable mention All-State...Two-time Interstate 8 All-Conference...Suburban Life All-Area as a junior...Brother of former Iowa Hawkeye Pierre Pierce

Westmont HS   GP   FG-FGA   Pct 3FG-FGA   Pct  FT-FTA   Pct  Off Def  Tot  Avg   A  TO Blk Stl  Pts  Avg
2007-08......                                                              8.0                      18.8
2008-09...... 31  288-619  .465  19-80   .238 158-233  .678  104 207  311 10.0  53  64  53  52  753 24.3

Ben Potter, 6-3, Batavia...14.0 ppg, 4.8 rpg, 1.8 apg, 1.6 spg, 54 3pfg...Daily Herald All-Area...Suburban Life Honorable mention All-Area

Mitch Thompson, 6-6, Orland Park Sandburg...15 ppg, 9 rpg...Southwest Suburban Blue all-conference...IBCA Class 3A/4A Special mention All-State


Elmhurst:
Baile Barnett, 6-5, Gary (IN) Westside

Myles Burton, 6-6, 200, Libertyville...9.7 ppg, 5.0 rpg

Christian Dillon, 6-7, Kaneland...6.5 ppg, 5.3 rpg, 0.6 apg, 0.7 spg...Daily Herald Honorable Mention All-Area

Erik Dornfeld, 6-6, Geneseo...2nd team All-NCIC Reagan

Geneseo HS   GP   FG-FGA   Pct 3FG-FGA   Pct  FT-FTA   Pct  Reb  RRG  Pts  PPG
2008-09..... 28  109-248  .440   4-12   .333 117-171  .684  192  6.9  339 12.1

Jordan Fairbairn, 6-2, Neuqua Valley/Kishwaukee CC

Kishwaukee CC   GP  FG-FGA   Pct 3FG-FGA   Pct  FT-FTA   Pct  Off Def  Tot  Avg   A  TO Blk Stl  Pts  Avg
2007-08........ 29 125-245  .510  40-94   .426  52-68   .765            90  3.1  73          35  342 11.8
2008-09........ 28  65-167  .389  21-70   .300  40-57   .702   21  49   70  2.5  35  53   4  12  191  6.8

D'Ante Foster, 5-10, Muskegon (MI) Catholic...11.7 ppg, 4.3 apg...4th team Class D All-State...Muskegon Chronical All-Area

Mike Jackson, 6-3, Thornwood

Matt Kaban, 6-7, Driscoll Catholic...14.4 ppg, 7.9 rpg...Suburban Life All-Area...IBCA Honorable Mention 1A/2A All-State

Ethan Koehler, 6-3, 180, Midland...First team All-Tri-County Conference...IBCA 4th team 1A/2A All-State...
AP Honorable mention 1A All-State

Midland HS   GP   FG  3FG   FT-FTA   Pct  OR  DR  Reb  RPG   A  Blk Stl  Pts  PPG 
2008-09..... 28  208   28   51-85   .600 107 186  293 10.5  49   84  51  495 17.7

Antonio Little, 6-1, South Beloit...Unanimous All-NUIC...AP Honorable mention 1A All-State...
IBS Small School Honorable mention All-State

South Beloit HS   GP  FG-FGA   Pct 3FG-FGA   Pct  FT-FTA   Pct  Reb  Avg   A  TO Blk Stl  Pts  Avg
2008-09.......... 29 164-379  .433  87-218  .399  91-126  .722  108  3.7 111  44   2  87  506 17.6

James Robertson, 6-2, 175, Peoria Richwoods...16 ppg, 3 rpg, 2 apg, 86 3pfg...2008 IBCA 3A/4A 3rd team All-State...2008 1st team Mid-State 6 All-Conference

Doug Small, 6-7, Dee-Mack...IBCA Special mention 1A-2A All-State...Bloomington Pantagraph Honorable mention All-Area

Dee-Mack HS   GP   FG  3FG   FT  Reb  RPG  Pts  PPG
2008-09...... 30  166   62   41  207  6.9  435 14.5

Rich Thomas, 6-8, Reavis...All-South Suburban Red Conference


Illinois Wesleyan:
Tyler Bontemps, 6-4, So., Belleville East/Lincoln Land CC

Year (School)    GP  FG-FGA   Pct 3FG-FGA   Pct  FT-FTA   Pct  Off Def  Reb  Avg   A  TO Blk Stl  Pts  Avg
2005-06 (BEHS)..  4   2-2   1.000   1-1   1.000   0-0       -    2   1    3  0.8   0   1   0   0    5  1.3
2006-07 (BEHS).. 26 103-238  .433  13-31   .419  40-73   .548   68  96  164  6.3  42  61  11  46  259 10.0
2008-09 (LLCC).. 30  61-116  .526   0-0       -  23-47   .489   43  72  115  3.8   9  31   1  21  145  4.8

Bradley Ghere, 5-11, Ridgeview...IBS Small School 2nd team All-State...AP 1A 2nd team All-State...
IBCA 1A/2A 2nd team All-State...IBCA 1A/2A North All-Star

Ridgeview HS  GP    FG  3FG   FT-FTA   Pct    A  Pts  PPG
2008-09...... 33   360  130  110-129  .853  170  760 23.0

Dan Oswald, 6-2, 180, Riverside-Brookfield...16.8 ppg, .464 3p%...IBCA 3A/4A Honorable mention All-State

Luke Radliff, 6-5, 175, Mahomet-Seymour...IBCA 3A/4A Honorable mention All-State

M-S HS       GP   FG-FGA   Pct  3FG   FT-FTA   Pct  Reb  RPG   A  Stl  Pts  PPG 
2008-09..... 28  167-341  .490   41  125-157  .796  183  6.5  46   21  500 17.9

Kevin Reed, 6-7, 220, Prospect...IBCA 3A/4A Special mention All-State...2-time Daily Herald All-Area

Prospect HS  GP  FG-FGA   Pct 3FG-FGA   Pct  FT-FTA   Pct  Off Def  Reb  Avg  PF   A  TO Blk Stl  Pts  Avg
2007-08..... 28 142-244  .582   2-17   .118  83-121  .686   70 158  228  8.1  81  81 102  83  38  369 13.2
2008-09..... 29 162-289  .561   6-27   .222  58-99   .586   90 186  276  9.5  81 108  85  88  33  388 13.4

Millikin:
Bryson Davis-Johnson, 5-10, Champaign, IL (Centennial HS)...Champaign News Gazette Special Mention All-Area

CCHS        G   FG-FGA   FG%  3P-3PA   3P%   FT-FTA   FT%  Reb  Avg.  Ast  Stl  Pts  Avg
2008-09... 32   51-108  .472   6-28   .214   36-52   .692   74  2.3   102   28  144  4.5

Jaaron Holmes, 6-2, Hillside, IL (Timothy Christian HS)

TCHS       GP   FG-FGA   Pct 3FG-FGA   Pct  FT-FTA   Pct  Off Def  Tot  Avg   A  TO Blk Stl  Pts  Avg
2007-08... 30   99-245  .404  10-57   .175  40-59   .678   33  68  101  3.4 118  96   6  41  248  8.3
2008-09... 25   73-182  .401   8-30   .267  31-49   .633   44  42   86  3.4  91  54   4  23  185  7.4

Geoff Kroner, 6-6, 250, Ballwin (MO) Marquette

Marquette HS  GP  FG-FGA   Pct 3FG-FGA   Pct  FT-FTA   Pct  Off Def  Reb  Avg   A  TO Blk Stl  Pts  Avg
2007-08...... 10   5-9    .556   0-0       -   0-3    .000    3   3    6  0.6   0   4   0   1   10  1.0
2008-09...... 22  42-69   .609   0-0       -  26-35   .743   35  62   97  4.4  11  24   3   7  110  5.0

Frank Schmitz, 6-5, 200, Pana...21.2 ppg, 8.7 rpg...State Journal-Register All-Area First team...
South Central Conference East Division first-team...IBCA 1A/2A Third team All State

Kyle Mengarelli, 6-0, 150, Hersey...Daily Herald Special mention All-Area

Arthur Miller, 6-3 So., Oakland, CA (Keystone College)

Keystone   GP-GS  Min--Avg  FG-FGA   Pct 3FG-FGA   Pct  FT-FTA   Pct  Off Def  Tot  Avg  PF FO   A  TO Blk Stl  Pts  Avg
2007-08... 25-7   609 24.4 102-226  .451  27-64   .422  41-71   .577   39  77  116  4.6  46  2  43  29   5  24  272 10.9

Ryan Shelton, 6-5, So., Loves Park, IL (Judson College)

Judson     GP-GS  Min--Avg  FG-FGA   Pct 3FG-FGA   Pct  FT-FTA   Pct  Off Def  Tot  Avg  PF FO   A  TO Blk Stl  Pts  Avg
2008-09... 28-2   317 11.3  41-82   .500   0-0    .000  24-39   .615   22  37   59  2.1  59  1  20  36   4  12  106  3.8

Lucas West, 6-0, Lovington, IL (Lovington HS)...Champaign News Gazette Special Mention All-Area

Lovington HS   G   FG-FGA   FG%  3P  FT-FTA   FT%  Reb  Avg.  Ast  Stl  Pts  Avg
2008-09...... 32   78-180  .433  11  45-71   .634  134  4.2   152   46  212  6.6

Derron Wooten, 6-0, So., St. Louis, MO (Chaminade HS/University of St. Mary,KS)

Year          GP-GS  Min--Avg  FG-FGA   Pct 3FG-FGA   Pct  FT-FTA   Pct  Off Def  Tot  Avg  PF   A  TO Blk Stl  Pts  Avg
2006-07(CHS)  24               35-91   .385  27-69   .391   6-7    .857    3  13   16  0.7  20   3   6   0   2  103  4.3
2007-08(CHS)  27               57-175  .326  42-127  .331   2-6    .333    7   6   13  0.5  27  17  10   2   6  158  5.9
2008-09(USM)   7-0    58  8.3   4-9    .444   1-4    .250   1-2    .500    3   0    3  0.4   4   0   2   0   0   10  1.4

North Central:
Danny Baylis, 6-2, 195, Lake Park...12.4 ppg...Daily Herald Honorable mention All-Area...Batavia Republican Honorable mention All-Area

Kyle Julius, 6-4, 170, Sr., Naperville Central/Illinos Central CC/Santa Fe CC/Northern Kentucky/St. Andrews Presbyterian College...2005 Naperville Sun Player of the Year

Year  School  GP-GS  Min--Avg  FG-FGA   Pct 3FG-FGA   Pct  FT-FTA   Pct  Off Def  Tot  Avg  PF FO   A  TO Blk Stl  Pts  Avg
2004-05 NCHS  29              177-442  .400  54-169  .320 170-206  .825   24  61   85  2.9  43     38  75  18  48  578 19.9               
2005-06 ICCC  30              158-386  .409  72-211  .341 133-167  .796           132  4.4         54          35  521 17.4
2006-07 SFCC  28               74-200  .370  53-143  .371  39-54   .722            54  1.9         35          17  240  8.6 
2007-08 NKU   DNP-Redshirt
2008-09 SAPC   7-2   131 18.7  16-40   .400   8-25   .320   6-10   .600    3  15   18  2.6   5  0  12   6   2   4   46  6.6

Eric Kraft, 6-4, 216, Nazareth...14 ppg...8 rpg...Suburban Life Honorable mention All-Area

Joe Meyerhoff, 6-8, 225, Lisle Benet...12.7 ppg, 6.7 rpg...Daily Herald Honorable mention All-Area...Downers Grove Reporter Progress Honorable mention All-Area

Derek Raridon, 6-6, 190, Neuqua Valley...13.4 ppg, 66 3pfg...UEC Player of the Year...IBCA 3A/4A 4th team All-State...IBS Large School Honorable mention All-State...2-time Daily Herald All-Area

Mike Saris, 5-10, Jr., Crystal Lake South/McHenry County College...All-Skyway Conference

McHenry CC  GP   FG-FGA   Pct 3FG-FGA   Pct  FT-FTA   Pct  Off Def  Tot  Avg    A  TO Blk Stl  Pts  Avg
2007-08.... 33   65-182  .357  38-125  .302  62-72   .861           106  3.2   64          46  230  7.0 
2008-09.... 31  147-364  .404  70-195  .359 115-153  .752   27  92  119  3.8  140 107   3 102  479 15.5

Brandon Stanciel, 6-7, Bolingbrook/Walther Lutheran...Pioneer Press West Honorable mention All-Area

Year  School  GP   FG-FGA   Pct 3FG-FGA   Pct  FT-FTA   Pct  Reb. Avg  Pts  Avg
2006-07 BHS    2    2-3    .667   0-0    .000   0-0    .000    2  1.0    4  2.0 
2007-08 BHS   26   21-59   .356   0-1    .000  20-35   .571   72  2.8   62  2.4 
2008-09 WLHS                                                     10.0      12.0

Tyler Zumdahl, 6-1, 161, Eastland...18.8 ppg, 4.7 rpg, 1.9 apg, 1.9 spg, 0.8 bpg...First team All-NUIC West...Freeport Journal-Standard All-Area


North Park:
Shaun Collins, 6-2, Jr., Aurora East/Oakton CC...First team All-Skyway Conference...brother of former NPU player Jason Collins

Oakton CC  GP   FG-FGA   Pct 3FG-FGA   Pct  FT-FTA   Pct  Off Def  Tot  Avg   A  TO Blk Stl  Pts  Avg
2007-08... 28  110-281  .392  67-197  .340  50-66   .758    -   -   91  3.3  42   -   -  36  337 12.0 
2008-09... 30  141-387  .364  95-307  .309  84-143  .587   26  87  113  3.8 103  41   4  53  461 15.4

Zach Dungee, 6-6, 225, Wheaton North...Special Mention All-DuPage Valley Conference... Daily Herald Honorable mention All-Area

Davone Robinson, 6-2, So., Chicago Senn/UW-Eau Claire

UW-Eau Claire  GP-GS  Min--Avg  FG-FGA   Pct 3FG-FGA   Pct  FT-FTA   Pct  Off Def  Tot  Avg  PF FO   A  TO Blk Stl  Pts  Avg
2007-08....... 10-0    53  5.3   2-10   .200   2-5    .400   0-4    .000    1  11   12  1.2   8  0   5   7   0   4    6  0.6

David Williams, 5-10, Tinley Park


Wheaton:
Chase Almen, 6-10, 230, Edmond (OK) Deer Creek

Deer Creek HS   GP  FG-FGA   Pct 3FG-FGA   Pct  FT-FTA   Pct  Reb  Avg   A Blk Stl  Pts  Avg
2008-09........ 23  35-103  .340   6-30   .200  11-25   .440  100  4.3  10  22   8   87  3.8

Aaron Garriott, 6-3, 170, So., Bloomington Central Catholic/SIU-Edwardsville

SIUE          GP-GS  Min--Avg  FG-FGA   Pct 3FG-FGA   Pct  FT-FTA   Pct  Off Def  Tot  Avg  PF FO   A  TO Blk Stl  Pts  Avg
2008-09...... 30-4   650 21.7  81-243  .333  36-121  .298  69-90   .767   13  52   65  2.2  57  1  68  79  2  20   267  8.9

[AndOne]

Dan---

Good work. Thanks for the updated recruit summary. +k

[CCIWchamps]

From the Wheaton website: http://athletics.wheaton.edu/news/2009/8/21/MBB_0821095929.aspx

[Titan Q]

From the Wheaton website: http://athletics.wheaton.edu/news/2009/8/21/MBB_0821095929.aspx

LEB2 is the same league Adam Dauksas and Keelan Amelianovich (both IWU '06) played in.  They were with Sedesa Lliria (Lliria, Spain).  Dauksas only played a couple months, but Amelianovich played a couple full seasons if I recall.  

Keelan told me the league, overall, is similar to a low D1.  There are American players who are from the low D1 to mid-major level, but also some players who are the caliber of, say,  a 2nd Team All-CCIW player.  

Here are some clips of Amelianovich from game action over there if you want to get a little sense of what it's like...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYS1X74LWHk

[Dennis_Prikkel]

From the Wheaton website: http://athletics.wheaton.edu/news/2009/8/21/MBB_0821095929.aspx

LEB2 is the same league Adam Dauksas and Keelan Amelianovich (both IWU '06) played in.  They were with Sedesa Lliria (Lliria, Spain).  Dauksas only played a couple months, but Amelianovich played a couple full seasons if I recall.  

Keelan told me the league, overall, is similar to a low D1.  There are American players who are from the low D1 to mid-major level, but also some players who are the caliber of, say,  a 2nd Team All-CCIW player.  

Here are some clips of Amelianovich from game action over there if you want to get a little sense of what it's like...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYS1X74LWHk

As long as he's not in a Wheaton uniform, I wish Kent Raymond luck wherever he plays.

dgp

[markerickson]

I liked NP's Sean McNamee though he didn't seem to suit up on a consistent basis.

Elmhurst has 13 recruits on the list!?   

[AndOne]

Mark--

I'm not sure Sean McNamee is playing this year. I didn't see him all summer at Deerfield, and haven't heard anything about him. I asked Greg if he knew if he was going to play, and he had no idea either. I hope he does. Good kid, and his parents are top notch people as well.

And yes, it appears Elmhurst does indeed have 13 new players. I wonder if any of them realize they can't all play at the same time. Especially when you add the returnees in.   
Digger Doyle might have a hell of a JV team. Perhaps on par with Augie's!   

[CCIWDad]

IWU's lineup: 

Travis R. (1 or 2)
Sean J.  (1 or 2)
Jordan Z. (3)
John K. (3 or 4)
Doug S. (5)

1st guard sub: Sean D. (1 or 2)
1st post sub: Ryan C. (5) (best post hands in CCIW but still needs to run the floor better to earn a starting spot) (Big Country has improved tremendously!)

Travis and Sean play too good together to split up.  Plus Jordan's natural position is a 3.

[AndOne]

CCIW Coaching News

Congrats to Chad Murray on his appointment to the head coaching position at Cornell (IA) College of the Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference effective today. Chad has served as the top assistant and recruiting coordinator for the North Central Cardinals for the last 5 years under head coach Todd Raridon. He will certainly be missed at NCC.
A search for Chad's successor is underway.

The Cornell posting appears below:

http://www.cornellcollege.edu/athletics/mens-sports/mens-basketball/coach.shtml

[Gregory Sager]

Congrats, Chad! Cornell got a good man.

[coebball70]

I am a Kohawk alum having played during 1967-70.  The Rams have hired a really good man!  Good luck in the Iowa Conference!

[Gregory Sager]

NPU's 2009-10 schedule:

Sun, November 15 at 1:00 pm	MSOE	Away
Wed, November 18 at 7:30 pm	Carroll	Home
Fri, November 20 at 6:00 pm	Dominican	Away
Sat, November 21 at 8:00 am	Concordia IL	Away
Sat, November 28 at 7:30 pm	Spaulding	Home
Thu, December 3 at 7:30 pm	Trinity International	Home
Mon, December 7 at 7:30 pm	East-West	Home
Sat, December 12 at 3:00 pm	Trine	Away
Wed, December 16 at 7:30 pm	Cal Tech	Away
Sat, December 19 at 7:30 pm	Whittier	Away
Wed, December 30 at 7:30 pm	UW-Superior	Home
Wed, January 6 at 7:30 pm	Augustana	Away
Sat, January 9 at 4:30 pm	Millikin	Home
Wed, January 13 at 7:30 pm	North Central	Away
Sat, January 16 at 7:30 pm	Wheaton	Away
Wed, January 20 at 7:30 pm	Elmhurst	Home
Sat, January 24 at 4:00 pm	Illinois Wesleyan	Away
Wed, January 27 at 7:30 pm	Carthage	Home
Sat, January 30 at 4:30 pm	Millikin	Away
Wed, February 3 at 7:30 pm	Augustana	Home
Sat, February 6 at 7:30 pm	Wheaton	Away
Wed, February 10 at 7:30 pm	North Central	Home
Sat, February 13 at 7:30 pm	Elmhurst	Away
Wed, February 17 at 7:30 pm	Carthage	Away
Sat, February 20 at 7:30 pm	Illinois Wesleyan	Home

North Park has a weak non-conference schedule, no two ways about it. Only three of the eleven opponents that the Vikings will face in November and December posted winning records last season: MSOE, Carroll, and Whittier. I don't think that many of the other eight will be substantially improved, although the folks in the WIAC room seem to think that UW-Superior should be very good in 2009-10. In North Park's defense, however, three teams who would've definitely upgraded this slate (Loras, Edgewood, and Concordia WI) with whom NPU currently has multi-year contracts were unable to settle upon a mutually convenient date with NPU, forcing the schools to shelve their contract with North Park for this season. That also forced Paul Brenegan to go about seeking opponents at a fairly late date, which explains why the likes of East-West and TIU are on the sked.