MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

[dansand]

Nice work, dansand!

Yes, Dan, nice work indeed. I was surprised by how the experience factor shakes out.

It's not entirely accurate, as it doesn't list all of the transfer experience -- NPU has a new juco transfer who's most likely gonna start; IWU, NCC, and Elmhurst have new juco transfers who may see action as well; and some players (such as Adam Tolo of Carthage and several of the Millikin players) had extensive experience at other schools before transferring in prior to the 2008-09 season. But I think that you have the general outlines right. I know that you were only looking at experience at four-year schools, and I don't blame you -- statistical archiving on juco websites is practically nonexistent -- but the juco-accrued experience should count, too.

I've broken down your figures into team-only form for easier comparison:

team	GP	GS	MIN
Augustana	236	59	3656
Carthage	350	153	5901
Elmhurst	303	82	4588
Ill. Wesleyan	375	175	7657
Millikin	325	117	5683
North Central	199	81	3471
North Park	252	105	4959
Wheaton	421	271	9565

As Greg pointed out, records of minutes played at the JC level are almost impossible to come by. If you were to include them, then Augie becomes the least experienced team in the league since NCC has the Saris kid who played over 60 games at the JC level. As a matter of fact, I think Augie and Wheaton are the only CCIW teams without a Juco transfer this year.

I'm not sure I'd be inclined to include JC experience in the equation, though. I view it as more on par with JV level experience. Obviously the heavy-hitters at the Juco level (Hutchinson, Southern Idaho, or more locally, Highland) are much, much better than that, but I think most of the programs that send kids to the CCIW are closer to JV level. At least that's my impression after watching Augie's jayvees compete against the Jucos over the years.

As far as quality of experience, Ypsi I'm going to leave that one to you. You're the statistics prof. 

[Titan Q]

I took a first stab at guessing 2009-10 starting lineups way back in August.  Here is my latest shot at it.  Now that we're into practice season, any thoughts on where I'm off?  


Augustana
G Matt Pelton, 6-2 (Sr)
G Brian DeSimone, 6-1 (So)
F Chris Anderson, 6-4 (So)
F Kyle Nelson, 6-7 (Jr)
C Luke Scarlata, 6-8 (Fr)

Carthage
G Steve Djurickovic, 6-3 (Jr)
G Sean Fendley, 6-1 (Sr)
G Max Cary, 6-3 (So)
F Adam Tolo, 6-6 (Sr)
C Richard Williams, 6-6 (Sr)

Elmhurst
G Dustin Bainter, 6-2 (Sr)
G Chris Childs, 6-2 (Sr)
F Zack Boyd, 6-2 (So)
F ?
C ?

Illinois Wesleyan
G Travis Rosenkranz, 6-0 (Jr)
G Sean Johnson, 6-1 (Jr)
F John Koschnitzky, 6-6 (So)
F Doug Sexauer, 6-7 (Jr)
C Edmond O'Callaghan, 6-7 (Jr)


Millikin
G Charles Warren, 6-2 (Sr)
G Corey Mitchell, 6-0 (Sr)
G Devin Demby, 6-2 (Sr)
F Robert Burton, 6-4 (Sr)
C Joscar Demby, 6-7 (Sr)

North Central
G Mike Saris, 5-10 (Jr)
G Reid Barringer, 6-0 (Sr)
F Derek Raridon, 6-6 (Fr)
F David Twyman, 6-3 (Sr)
C Joe Meyerhoff, 6-8 (Fr)

North Park
G Roshawn Russel, 5-10 (So)
G D.J. Cooper, 6-0 (So)
F Kendall Greer, 6-4 (Jr)
F Nick Williams, 6-5 (Sr)
C Phil Schniedermeier, 6-7 (Jr)

Wheaton
G Aaron Garriott, 6-3 (So)
G Andrew Jahns, 6-2 (Jr)
G Ben Panner, 6-3 (Sr)
F Tim McCrary, 6-6 (So)
C Jake Carlwell, 6-7 (Sr)

[Titan Q]

Regarding some of the young and/or inexperienced teams this season (like Augustana), this seems to be a pretty good year to be in that kind of "reloading" mode.  Last year IWU was in that position, playing almost all sophomores and freshmen -- it was the worst possible kind of year in the CCIW to be trying to pull that off.  Senior-led Wheaton, Elmhurst, Augustana, and North Central teams were all Top-25 caliber teams.  There just wasn't any margin for error in 2009 for a young team.

This year, a young/inexperienced team doesn't have to deal with Kent Raymond & Andy Wiele, or Brent Ruch and Ryan Burks, or Chandlor Collins/Brett Wessels/Alex Washington/Justin Bertrand/Jordan Delp or Chris Drennan and Matt Rogers.  

Some years are better than others in terms of trying to compete with a new cast, and this seems like one of those years.

[dansand]

I took a first stab at guessing 2009-10 starting lineups way back in August.  Here is my latest shot at it.  Now that we're into practice season, any thoughts on where I'm off?  


Augustana
G Matt Pelton, 6-2 (Sr)
G Brian DeSimone, 6-1 (So)
F Chris Anderson, 6-4 (So)
F Kyle Nelson, 6-7 (Jr)
C Luke Scarlata, 6-8 (Fr)

I almost never make predictions, but I think it's a pretty safe bet that, barring something unforseen, Bryant Voiles will be in Augie's starting lineup. I think Pelton, Nelson and DeSimone are pretty safe bets as well. The fifth spot could be just about anybody, depending on whether Coach G decides to go big or small(er). A lot will also depend on everyone's health and the next three weeks of practice.

[Titan Q]

Thanks Dan.  Question for you...

I did not see Augie play last year.  Is Voiles more of a 3 or a 4?

[AndOne]

Not sure what Dan, who should know better than me, will say but, to me he looks like a 4, but plays, and is better suited to the 3. I say this after twice observing him effortlessly swishing 3 pointers from deep in the corner!

[Gregory Sager]

I'm not sure I'd be inclined to include JC experience in the equation, though. I view it as more on par with JV level experience. Obviously the heavy-hitters at the Juco level (Hutchinson, Southern Idaho, or more locally, Highland) are much, much better than that, but I think most of the programs that send kids to the CCIW are closer to JV level. At least that's my impression after watching Augie's jayvees compete against the Jucos over the years.

The quality of juco experience really does depend upon the program, which is what makes it so hard to quantify for our purposes.

Not sure what Dan, who should know better than me, will say but, to me he looks like a 4, but plays, and is better suited to the 3. I say this after twice observing him effortlessly swishing 3 pointers from deep in the corner!

Voiles is certainly a solid outside shooter, but I'm not sure that he's quick enough to play small forward in every situation, particularly given the premium that Giovanine places upon defense. I would look for Giovanine to start Voiles and Nelson as his bigs, with Scarlata coming off of the bench -- at least in the early part of the season. Based upon experience, which is definitely a weakness for Augie this year, I wouldn't be surprised if Mike Avallone starts at the 3. Then again, Giovanine has a habit of doing things that other people don't expect, including me.

Elmhurst
G Dustin Bainter, 6-2 (Sr)
G Chris Childs, 6-2 (Sr)
F Zack Boyd, 6-2 (So)
F ?
C ?

We have an Elmhurst insider who's already given us his guess as to the starting lineup for the 'jays:

1 Starter-Dustin Bainter (Mike Mccurdy, Jimmy Saris)
2 Starter-Chris Childs (Matt Bernier, Erik Ellingson)
3 Starter-Zac Boyd (Jordan Fairbairn, James Robertson)
4 Starter-Joe Acosta (Aaron Schroeder, Brian McMahon)
5 Starter-Matt Kaban/Erik Dornfield/ or Wes Dukeman

I'd go with what he says, Bob.

North Central
G Mike Saris, 5-10 (Jr)
G Reid Barringer, 6-0 (Sr)
F Derek Raridon, 6-6 (Fr)
F David Twyman, 6-3 (Sr)
C Joe Meyerhoff, 6-8 (Fr)

Is Saris going to start at the point ahead of Knapczyk, AO? And is there any chance that senior D2 transfer Kyle Julius will force Barringer to the bench?

North Park
G Roshawn Russel, 5-10 (So)
G D.J. Cooper, 6-0 (So)
F Kendall Greer, 6-4 (Jr)
F Nick Williams, 6-5 (Sr)
C Phil Schniedermeier, 6-7 (Jr)

As I said back in August:

I also doubt, contra Bob's speculation, that D,J. Cooper will start at the off guard spot -- but that could change if Cooper has a strong fall's worth of practices.

Instead, I look for junior transfer Shaun Collins to be the starter, with Cooper coming off of the bench. But I haven't heard that as an explicit statement from anyone in the program, and it's therefore certainly open to change. My guess is that, given the dismal NPU performance at the defensive end of the floor in 2008-09, any guard who can demonstrate both the willingness and the aptitude to get after it on D is going to have a golden opportunity to work his way into the starting lineup.

Some years are better than others in terms of trying to compete with a new cast, and this seems like one of those years.

... and that's why I think Augie is the team to beat. As relatively inexperienced as the Doggies happen to be, there's just not enough experience anywhere else in the league -- especially senior experience, which counts the most -- to make Augie's youth a fatal liability, the way that it was for NPU and IWU last season. The second-most experienced team in the league by minutes is IWU, which doesn't even have a senior starter, while the most senior-laden team, Millikin, is a squad that nobody seems to be taking seriously at all in terms of talent level.

[Titan Q]

So after some of the starting lineup feedback posted here (thank you, by the way), and some sent to me via e-mail, I will go with the following as my current projection...


Augustana
G Matt Pelton, 6-2 (Sr)
G Brian DeSimone, 6-1 (So)
G Mike Avallone, 6-4 (Jr)
F Bryant Voiles, 6-9 (Jr)
F Kyle Nelson, 6-9 (Jr)

Carthage
G Steve Djurickovic, 6-3 (Jr)
G Sean Fendley, 6-1 (Sr)
G Max Cary, 6-3 (So)
F Adam Tolo, 6-6 (Sr)
C Richard Williams, 6-6 (Sr)

Elmhurst
G Dustin Bainter, 6-2 (Sr)
G Chris Childs, 6-2 (Sr)
F Zack Boyd, 6-2 (So)
F Eric Dornfield, 6-6 (Fr)
F Wes Dukeman, 6-9 (So)

Illinois Wesleyan
G Travis Rosenkranz, 6-0 (Jr)
G Sean Johnson, 6-1 (Jr)
F John Koschnitzky, 6-6 (So)
F Doug Sexauer, 6-7 (Jr)
C Edmond O'Callaghan, 6-7 (Jr)


Millikin
G Charles Warren, 6-2 (Sr)
G Corey Mitchell, 6-0 (Sr)
G Devin Demby, 6-2 (Sr)
F Robert Burton, 6-4 (Sr)
C Joscar Demby, 6-7 (Sr)

North Central
G Reid Barringer, 6-0 (Sr)
G Kyle Julius, 6-4 (Sr)
F David Twyman, 6-3 (Sr)
F Brandon Stanciel, 6-7 (Fr)
C Joe Meyerhoff, 6-8 (Fr)

North Park
G Roshawn Russell, 5-10 (So)
G Shaun Collins, 6-2 (Jr)
F Kendall Greer, 6-4 (Jr)
F Nick Williams, 6-5 (Sr)
C Phil Schniedermeier, 6-7 (Jr)

Wheaton
G Aaron Garriott, 6-3 (So)
G Andrew Jahns, 6-2 (Jr)
G Ben Panner, 6-3 (Sr)
F Tim McCrary, 6-6 (So)
C Jake Carlwell, 6-7 (Sr)

[Titan Q]

So what's the scouting report on NCC transfer guard Kyle Julius?  It looks like since leaving Naperville Central (where he was a very good player) he has been all over the place...

2005-06: Illinois Central College (16.7 ppg)
2006-07: Santa Fe Community College (8.6 ppg)
2007-08: Northern Kentucky (DNP)
2007-08: Northwood Temple Academy
2008-09: St. Andrews Presbyterian College (only played in 7 games)
2009-10: NCC


NCC is his 6th school I believe.

[Gregory Sager]

So what's the scouting report on NCC transfer guard Kyle Julius?  It looks like since leaving Naperville Central (where he was a very good player) he has been all over the place...

2005-06: Illinois Central College (16.7 ppg)
2006-07: Santa Fe Community College (8.6 ppg)
2007-08: Northern Kentucky (DNP)
2007-08: Northwood Temple Academy
2008-09: St. Andrews Presbyterian College (only played in 7 games)
2009-10: NCC


NCC is his 6th school I believe.

That can't be right. Northwood Temple Academy is a K-12 school in North Carolina. There aren't any other schools by that name found on the Internet. Don't know why it would be listed on his c.v., unless he student-taught there while he was attending nearby St. Andrews Presbyterian College.

Nevertheless, five institutions of higher learning must be a new record for a CCIW basketball player. It won't matter in the end, of course, if he passes his classes and gets his degree. But that's a lot of transcripts to lug around from one school to the next.

I wonder if he went to Northern Kentucky on a scholarship. NKU is an historically strong D2 program; the Norse won the always-tough GLVC last season, and Division II Bulletin has them at 20th in the nation in its preseason poll.

[Titan Q]

Not sure what the deal is with that.  On the St. Andrews roster under "previous school" that's what it says...

http://www.conferencecarolinas.com/sports/mbkb/2008-09/media_guide/2008-09_MB_Media_Guide.doc


Either way, like you said, it's a crazy amount of schools.

Here's something from the Northern Kentucky website when he committed there...

http://www.nku.edu/~athletics/MBasketball/2007-08/Releases/aug1%20julius%20sign.html

[Gregory Sager]

Not sure what the deal is with that.  On the St. Andrews roster under "previous school" that's what it says...

http://www.conferencecarolinas.com/sports/mbkb/2008-09/media_guide/2008-09_MB_Media_Guide.doc

That's gotta be an error of some sort, either by the SAPC sports information department or the league's SID.

Here's something from the Northern Kentucky website when he committed there...

http://www.nku.edu/~athletics/MBasketball/2007-08/Releases/aug1%20julius%20sign.html

Doesn't say whether or not he was given a scholie, but, considering the fact that his arrival merited a press release from the NKU SID, it's reasonable to conclude that he was given at least a partial. I don't think that walk-ons are normally given that kind of pub.

[AndOne]

North Central
G Mike Saris, 5-10 (Jr)
G Reid Barringer, 6-0 (Sr)
F Derek Raridon, 6-6 (Fr)
F David Twyman, 6-3 (Sr)
C Joe Meyerhoff, 6-8 (Fr)

Is Saris going to start at the point ahead of Knapczyk, AO? And is there any chance that senior D2 transfer Kyle Julius will force Barringer to the bench?

Here is MY take on things, at least currently. I have no idea what the coaching staff's current thinking is on the subject, and I'm sure thats exactly how they want it----

First, I don't believe there is a iota of possibility that Kyle Julius will "force" Reid Barringer to the bench. This is ludicrous. To me, odds are much higher that the two will actually play together with Barringer moving from the 2 guard to the point, and Julius manning the 2. Julius will not play in place of Barringer.
Another very real scenario, and the one I sense we might see at least to begin the season would be to leave Barringer at the 2, and start either Saris or Knapczyk at point. As to which might start, I believe from observing practice so far that the competition is honestly neck and neck. Both have played well, and each does a thing or two better than the other. It just depends what the team needs from the point depending on what other combination of players is on the floor at the time! If you put a gun to my head right now, I'd say if Barringer is the 2, Knapczyk is the 1. No matter which one starts in that situation, the other will see meaningful minutes. The Knapczyk or Saris and Barringer setup will allow Julius to assume the role of the sudden assassin off the bench, but as I speculated, I think there will be times where the Barringer & Julius combination will be either necessary or present just too good of an opportunity to pass up.   

[AndOne]

So what's the scouting report on NCC transfer guard Kyle Julius?  It looks like since leaving Naperville Central (where he was a very good player) he has been all over the place...

2005-06: Illinois Central College (16.7 ppg)
2006-07: Santa Fe Community College (8.6 ppg)
2007-08: Northern Kentucky (DNP)
2007-08: Northwood Temple Academy
2008-09: St. Andrews Presbyterian College (only played in 7 games)
2009-10: NCC


NCC is his 6th school I believe.

That can't be right. Northwood Temple Academy is a K-12 school in North Carolina. There aren't any other schools by that name found on the Internet. Don't know why it would be listed on his c.v., unless he student-taught there while he was attending nearby St. Andrews Presbyterian College.

Nevertheless, five institutions of higher learning must be a new record for a CCIW basketball player. It won't matter in the end, of course, if he passes his classes and gets his degree. But that's a lot of transcripts to lug around from one school to the next.

I wonder if he went to Northern Kentucky on a scholarship. NKU is an historically strong D2 program; the Norse won the always-tough GLVC last season, and Division II Bulletin has them at 20th in the nation in its preseason poll.

My understanding is that NCC is Julius' 5th school. He did not play at NKU. I believe that he indeed did go there on scholarship, and that the reason for his non participation was medical in nature. Accordingly, he has eligibility remaining for this season. As far as any association with a Northwood Temple Academy, at least as a basketball player, I think we can chalk this up to a mistake on someone's part.
I am not privy to Kyle's academic record to this point. Obviously, he met the NCC entrance requirements which aren't exactly low, so I think we can safely assume he has made acceptable progress throughout his academic career despite the fact he has certainly accumulated a handful of transcripts.
From a basketball standpoint be assured he does have the skill level to be a upper level player in the CCIW. His desire, maturity, and ability and willingness to play within the NCC system will determine whether he will be presented with the opportunity to showcase those skills and to achieve his full potential.

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