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Titan Q

Here is the Elmhurst/Hamline boxscore...

http://www.elmhurstbluejays.com/custompages/MBB/2009-2010/ELMMBB01.HTM


77 of Elmhurst's 79 points were scored by players 6-3 and shorter.  (6-6 freshman Christian Dillon had a basket.)  That seems so strange to me based on how big and physical Elmhurst has been for so many years now.

CCIWFAN3

OK are the teams playing bad defense, not moving their feet and hacking, or are the officials trying to make a statement early?

IWU 26 FT's, Elmhurst 27 FT's, and Hamline 40 FT's. 67 FT's in one game must have been one boring game. 

It might be a combination of both.  First week training session for officials so they can be graded?

kenoshamark

Here is the box from the Carthage game today:

http://www.carthage.edu/athleticspages/mens/basketball/trans.htm

As far as a recap, hard to gauge whether this was an impressive win quite yet.  Carthage clearly dominated in the first half going up 40 to 15 at half.   The 15 points was actually an accomplishment when Transylvania had all of 6 points with just over 5 minutes to go.  They didn't look anything like a ranked team.   They had no offensive flow and they played like they had just got off the bus just prior to tip off.   

The second half was much better for Transylvania as they came out extremely aggressive and the plan was to have their point guard attack the rim and try to get Steve in foul trouble.  It was apparent to them that their best bet was to get Steve off the floor if they were going to mount any type of comeback.   Bosko adjusted and moved Steve off their point guard but the energy from Transylvania was certainly more evident both on offense and defense.  They started playing a bit more inside out and hit some three pointers.  They also employed a full court press which gave Carthage more problems than it should have.  The good thing about the press was it showed Bosko exactly what they need to work on before the big boys from the WIAC come to town this next weekend.    Although the lead was cut to ten, Carthage weathered the storm and gradually built the lead back up to the high teens before finishing with the 22 point spread.

Players of the game....Steve knocked down 23 (13-14 from the line) and had 9 assists, Pierce had 19 points and 9 boards and Guzman had 16 points (going 4-6 from behind the arc) and grabbing 9 boards.   I mentioned I was impressed with Guzman from what I saw during the scrimmage last week and he added to that impression with his debut today....just a really solid all around player.  Pierce is such a nice addition based on his ability to score around the basket.....something we haven't seen in years since Theo Powell.   Max Cary had a nice all around game as well.

Certainly things to work on being the first game of the year (better decision making on the press break and free throw shooting (only 62%) but had to be happy with the overall shooting (54%) from the field and 50% on three point shooting.   

dansand

Quote from: Viking Mike on November 15, 2009, 06:44:23 PM
DanSand/Dan,

I was just looking for the link to the Augie basketball game broadcast.  I could only find the stat site.

You are broadcasting the Viking games again this year, right?
If so, is there a certain link to look for?

Thanks, Mike

Ya Mike,

We'll be doing the games again this year. I reminded the school about the link to our site. Hopefully it will be up soon, but if not, you can always use the link at the bottom of my posts to get to our site. Thanks.

AndOne

Anyone know why Childs & Boyd didn't start for Elmhurst, and what the odds are that they'll continue to come in off the bench. Sure makes for some nice bench scoring capability. Maybe Coach Scherer is purposely looking for over matches with Childs & Boyd vs opponents subs?

armywife

Good luck to all of the CCIW teams this year. I'm going to enjoy following the action and cheering on Augie and UMHB. I am praying for a great season for all of these teams and for no injuries on any of the CCIW teams as well as UMHB.

We have moved back to Texas and are living about 3 miles from UMHB; I've been able to catch a couple of football games. I hope to see some basketball as well.
2 Peter 1:5-10

BlueJay21

Quote from: AndOne on November 16, 2009, 12:27:47 AM
Anyone know why Childs & Boyd didn't start for Elmhurst, and what the odds are that they'll continue to come in off the bench. Sure makes for some nice bench scoring capability. Maybe Coach Scherer is purposely looking for over matches with Childs & Boyd vs opponents subs?

Not sure on this one. Boyd started every game last year for the Jays so not sure why he didn't start in this one. I'm guessing that maybe they both missed a practice or Coach Scherer wasn't happy with them for some reason. As for Childs, he was the 6th man last year and it appears he might play that role again. If so, then there is no doubt he will be one of the top 6th men in the nation. He is an explosive offensive player and someone who I think has a legitimate chance at being a 1st team all conference player.

petemcb

Quote from: Titan Q on November 15, 2009, 02:19:03 PM
Updated based on where things seem to be as of opening day...






Illinois Wesleyan
G Travis Rosenkranz, 6-0 (Jr)
G Sean Johnson, 6-1 (Jr)
F John Koschnitzky, 6-6 (So)
F Doug Sexauer, 6-7 (Jr)
C Edmond O'Callaghan, 6-7 (Jr)


Wheaton
G Stephen Pierotti, 6-1 (So)
G Andrew Jahns, 6-2 (Jr)
G Ben Panner, 6-3 (Sr)
F Tim McCrary, 6-6 (So)
C Jake Carlwell, 6-7 (Sr)



Two questions.....one for IWU fans and one for Wheaton fans.


Does IWU seem content with their starting lineup or is it looking like more of an "pre-conference" experiment?  It seems like O'Callaghan brings less that is different from the other two starting bigs than somebody like Connelly would.  It sounds like he's looking better and better, and at 6'9  275, clearly he brings something different.  Any chance?

For Wheaton fans, I was on campus for a soccer game about a month ago and believe I was walking behind Ben Panner.  On a basketball program, I'd be listed at 6'3".  If I'm 6'3",  who I think was Panner looked to be at least 6'4", if not 6'5".  Any work on a late growth spurt for Panner?  That would be significant if so.

CCIWFAN3

Panner is 6'4" and McCrary has grown an inch since last year also.

Mugsy

Quote from: CCIWFAN3 on November 16, 2009, 03:39:02 PM
Panner is 6'4" and McCrary has grown an inch since last year also.

Oh to be young again!  I think I shrunk 1/2 inch last year.
Wheaton Football: CCIW Champs: 1950, 1953-1959, 1995, 2000, 2002-2004, 2006, 2008, 2012, 2014, 2015, 2019

petemcb

Quote from: Mugsy on November 16, 2009, 04:09:20 PM
Quote from: CCIWFAN3 on November 16, 2009, 03:39:02 PM
Panner is 6'4" and McCrary has grown an inch since last year also.

Oh to be young again!  I think I shrunk 1/2 inch last year.

Mugsy, I find that I don't lose any inches  -  I just redistribute them, in not-so-favorable ways.

usee

Quote from: Mugsy on November 16, 2009, 04:09:20 PM
Quote from: CCIWFAN3 on November 16, 2009, 03:39:02 PM
Panner is 6'4" and McCrary has grown an inch since last year also.

Oh to be young again!  I think I shrunk 1/2 inch last year.

So now you must be all of what? 5'3 1/2""?   ;D ;D

Mugsy

Quote from: USee on November 16, 2009, 05:34:29 PM
Quote from: Mugsy on November 16, 2009, 04:09:20 PM
Quote from: CCIWFAN3 on November 16, 2009, 03:39:02 PM
Panner is 6'4" and McCrary has grown an inch since last year also.

Oh to be young again!  I think I shrunk 1/2 inch last year.

So now you must be all of what? 5'3 1/2""?   ;D ;D

Unless it goes on a roster, then you tack on the obligatory extra inch (or 3 if you are Steve Holland).   :P
Wheaton Football: CCIW Champs: 1950, 1953-1959, 1995, 2000, 2002-2004, 2006, 2008, 2012, 2014, 2015, 2019

AndOne

Quote from: petemcb on November 16, 2009, 02:00:17 PM
Quote from: Titan Q on November 15, 2009, 02:19:03 PM
Updated based on where things seem to be as of opening day...






Illinois Wesleyan
G Travis Rosenkranz, 6-0 (Jr)
G Sean Johnson, 6-1 (Jr)
F John Koschnitzky, 6-6 (So)
F Doug Sexauer, 6-7 (Jr)
C Edmond O'Callaghan, 6-7 (Jr)


Wheaton
G Stephen Pierotti, 6-1 (So)
G Andrew Jahns, 6-2 (Jr)
G Ben Panner, 6-3 (Sr)
F Tim McCrary, 6-6 (So)
C Jake Carlwell, 6-7 (Sr)



Two questions.....one for IWU fans and one for Wheaton fans.


Does IWU seem content with their starting lineup or is it looking like more of an "pre-conference" experiment?  It seems like O'Callaghan brings less that is different from the other two starting bigs than somebody like Connelly would.  It sounds like he's looking better and better, and at 6'9  275, clearly he brings something different.  Any chance?

For Wheaton fans, I was on campus for a soccer game about a month ago and believe I was walking behind Ben Panner.  On a basketball program, I'd be listed at 6'3".  If I'm 6'3",  who I think was Panner looked to be at least 6'4", if not 6'5".  Any work on a late growth spurt for Panner?  That would be significant if so.

Pete---

Unlike some of us who are not so fortunate, you have good, "high" hair!
You could easily be listed at 6'4" without any question.   :-X

Titan Q

Quote from: petemcb on November 16, 2009, 02:00:17 PM
Quote from: Titan Q on November 15, 2009, 02:19:03 PM
Updated based on where things seem to be as of opening day...






Illinois Wesleyan
G Travis Rosenkranz, 6-0 (Jr)
G Sean Johnson, 6-1 (Jr)
F John Koschnitzky, 6-6 (So)
F Doug Sexauer, 6-7 (Jr)
C Edmond O'Callaghan, 6-7 (Jr)


Wheaton
G Stephen Pierotti, 6-1 (So)
G Andrew Jahns, 6-2 (Jr)
G Ben Panner, 6-3 (Sr)
F Tim McCrary, 6-6 (So)
C Jake Carlwell, 6-7 (Sr)



Two questions.....one for IWU fans and one for Wheaton fans.


Does IWU seem content with their starting lineup or is it looking like more of an "pre-conference" experiment?  It seems like O'Callaghan brings less that is different from the other two starting bigs than somebody like Connelly would.  It sounds like he's looking better and better, and at 6'9  275, clearly he brings something different.  Any chance?

For Wheaton fans, I was on campus for a soccer game about a month ago and believe I was walking behind Ben Panner.  On a basketball program, I'd be listed at 6'3".  If I'm 6'3",  who I think was Panner looked to be at least 6'4", if not 6'5".  Any work on a late growth spurt for Panner?  That would be significant if so.

Pete, here is my take...

Ron Rose is looking for a rebounder/low post defender/"dirty work" guy at the 5 spot.  With Doug Sexauer (a low post player) being IWU's #1 scoring option, and with all of the other good offensive players on the floor with him (Johnson, Koschnitzky, Zimmer, Rosenkranz, etc), scoring is not a big need from the 5 spot.   

6-9/275 Ryan Connolly (aka "Big Country") is coming along nicely.   12 points & 5 rebounds in just 7 minutes yesterday was impressive.  There is a reason Ryan only played 7 minutes though, and that is because he is still not as mobile as he needs to be.  He struggles to guard a mobile 5, like Rob Bridgeman of Benedictine, who could score from all over the place.   (Now, on the flip side, there are a bunch of D3 low post players who cannot begin to guard Connolly...he is a beast.)  The reality is that Connolly is only ready to play about 10 minutes per game it seems, and obviously, you can't start if you can only play 10 min/game.

Realistically, I think IWU would love to get 15 minutes per game out of Connolly by CCIW time.  O'Callaghan is ready to play 25 per game right now, and fill that "dirty work" role I mentioned above.  I have heard from numerous people at the BU game that he played well (he ended up with 8 points and 5 rebounds on 2-2 FG and 4-4 FT).  This year, I see Connolly being an important weapon off the bench, with his playing time increasing as he demonstrates the ability to a) run the floor, and b) move his feet on defense.  He is 6-9/275, and what most people don't realize is that he has a really soft shooting touch, and is a very good FT shooter.

For now, I think Ron Rose likes his starting lineup because in 6-6 Koschnitzky (8 rebounds yesterday) and 6-6 O'Callaghan you have two very good athletes, who both have the potential to be good rebounders and defenders.  Connolly has a higher ceiling than O'Callaghan, but O'Callaghan is just much more ready to log significant minutes right now.  And it is clear to me that Ron Rose is really happy with O'Callaghan so far this season - calls him a "totally different player" than the last couple years.

(The wildcard in IWU's 5 mix longterm is 6-9 Eric McCullough – a kid who had a handful of legitimate low D1 basketball scholarships.  Unfortunately, I'm not sure if he'll ever be completely healthy his season...still battling back from surgery on both hips after last season.  I'm hoping there will be a day when 6-9 Connolly and 6-9 McCullough see the floor together.)