MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

[Gregory Sager]

So Julius' accomplishments should be minimized due to the fact they occurred in the same week that Djurickovic registered a triple double against a team that had given up an average of 96 points per game prior to their game against Carthage?

I'm not saying that Julius's accomplishments should be minimized. I'm saying that Djurickovic's should be maximized. As for downgrading Djurickovic's accomplishment by denigrating Wisconsin Lutheran's defense, it needs to be noted that the three previous WLC losses were all to very good teams (UW-LaCrosse, UW-Whitewater, and Carroll) -- and none of the players on those three teams was anywhere in the vicinity of a triple-double. Phil Negri of UWW had six points, seven rebounds, and ten assists in the Warhawks' win over WLC, and that's as close as anybody got.

Julius rescued the Cardinals from likely defeat 3 times in the 3 OT Aurora game, and then gave North Central their first lead of the game with only 43 seconds remaining when they had trailed by as many as 21 against Illinois College. He scored a total of 55 points in the 2 games.

As I said at the outset, Julius had a great week. However, as long as we're nitpicking accomplishments, it needs to be said that Julius had an additional twenty minutes' worth of game time to rack up his totals (15 extra minutes against Aurora, five extra minutes against IC) than did Djurickovic. I wouldn't have brought that up, because it really shouldn't matter much unless you're using numbers to bolster a player's statistics, but you did mention Julius's 55 points.

Djurickovic is an All-American, and his triple double is a extraordinary accomplishment.
His exceptional performance speaks for itself, and is in no way, shape, or form diminished by his sharing the award with another player whose own fabulous achievement also surely merits recognition.

Sorry, Mark, but we're just going to have to disagree about that. Again, I have nothing against Julius at all. Any other week he would've been a most worthy POTW as a stand-alone, let alone as a Co-POTW ... but not this week. What Djurickovic did was so rare and so outstanding that it deserves to stand all by itself.

[AndOne]

I understand your point, Greg. But to deny Kyle deserved recognition effectively ignores
not one, but two, outstanding performances.
Perhaps if you would have been there in person as I was for both games, and had observed not only what Kyle did, but when, and in what game situations he did it, you would be more impressed than by merely reading a press release detailing his accomplishments.       

[wheels81]

GS,

How dare you rattle the cage of a1...

btw dittos!

[AndOne]

So Julius' accomplishments should be minimized due to the fact they occurred in the same week that Djurickovic registered a triple double against a team that had given up an average of 96 points per game prior to their game against Carthage?

Sharing the award doesn't diminish the triple-double accomplishment as much as the editorial comment that you threw in regarding Wisconsin Lutheran's defensive capabilities.   

You almost make it seem like anyone who goes up against them should put a triple-double on the board.

mwunder--

Obviously not, or Steve's great achievement would have been the forth time it was accomplished this season against WL. 

[Gregory Sager]

Incidentally, is anyone aware of any other triple-doubles recorded by CCIW players other than the three that have been mentioned today? It'd be cool if we had a list of CCIW triple-double performances to which we could refer when the need arose.

[Titan Q]

Some local news highlights of the IWU/Manchester game.  Unfortunately they must have left before Johnson's halfcourt buzzer-beater.

http://centralillinoisproud.com/media_player.php?media_id=395792


In those highlights, good to see Jordan Zimmer take it to the basket.  He had a really strong take in the Wash U game too.  If he can add that element to his game on a consistent basis, he'll become hard to guard.  The other clips involve Johnson going to the basket, and Rosenkranz penetrating for two assists.

[Titan Q]

Incidentally, is anyone aware of any other triple-doubles recorded by CCIW players other than the three that have been mentioned today? It'd be cool if we had a list of CCIW triple-double performances to which we could refer when the need arose.

I remember a game where Titan Hammer had 11 points, 10 rebounds, and got yelled at by Dennie Bridges 12 times.

[AndOne]

GS,

How dare you rattle the cage of a1...

btw dittos!

Wheels--

I have absolutely no problem when a knowledgeable and respected poster like GS "rattles my cage." In fact, I kinda like it.
What I have a problem with is when people who have little to say, and even less substance to what they do say, come on and make inane comments.       

[Dennis_Prikkel]

GS,

How dare you rattle the cage of a1...

btw dittos!

Wheels--

I have absolutely no problem when a knowledgeable and respected poster like GS "rattles my cage." In fact, I kinda like it.
What I have a problem with is when people who have little to say, and even less substance to what they do say, come on and make inane comments.       

ooh!!!

neutral corners please.  Andone u have violated one of the great premises of the d3board - join me for a private chat.

dgp

[augiefan]

Just for a little more clarification on the importance of Voiles to the Augie team, Bryant is a junior and a co-captain on the team. He was 2nd in rebounding asnd 3rd in scoring for Augie through the MacMurray game. A bunch of talented but inexperienced frosh and sophs are not likely to cover the loss of his talents in a tough upperclassmen dominated league like the CCIW.

It's tough when any team loses a key player to injuries, but it happens all the time. In an ideal world every player would be healthy, and the best team would always win. I see Augie with its youth and inexperience being in the same boat as IWU was two years ago, talented but not ready for prime time. The loss of Voiles is a big one.

[Titan Q]

The video has emerged.  Here is Sean Johnson's near-halfcourt buzzer beater yesterday vs Manchester...


http://www.iwuhoops.com/sj.mp4


(Keep in mind, the audio is about a 1/2 second ahead of the video.  The horn appears to go off before Johnson even starts to shoot, but you'll see the clock is at 0.6 when he releases the ball, and then the backboard lights go off as it's in the air.  You also hear people start screaming when the ball is still 5 feet from the basket...audio and video definitely not in perfect sync.)

A big shot.

[Titan Q]

Final from St. Louis...

Millikin 58
Maryville (Mo) 39

http://www.maryville.edu/athletics-livestats/

[augiefan]

Augie defeats Knox 73-56 in Galesburg. Augie's height and depth prevailed, but Knox was pretty competitive for much of the game, which was televised on Penn Atlantic. Based on this game Knox may not be the MWC cellar dweller this year.

[Mr. Ypsi]

Final from St. Louis...

Millikin 58
Maryville (Mo) 39

http://www.maryville.edu/athletics-livestats/

And Maryville has spurned the SLIAC to go DII.  How brutal is their awakening going to be?!

[mwunder]

So Julius' accomplishments should be minimized due to the fact they occurred in the same week that Djurickovic registered a triple double against a team that had given up an average of 96 points per game prior to their game against Carthage?

Sharing the award doesn't diminish the triple-double accomplishment as much as the editorial comment that you threw in regarding Wisconsin Lutheran's defensive capabilities.   

You almost make it seem like anyone who goes up against them should put a triple-double on the board.

mwunder--

Obviously not, or Steve's great achievement would have been the forth time it was accomplished this season against WL. 

Obviously...which is why it was I made the inane comment about your editorial, which, in my unsubstantial opinion, was unnecessary to argue your point.