MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

[AndOne]

Augie defeats Knox 73-56 in Galesburg. Augie's height and depth prevailed, but Knox was pretty competitive for much of the game, which was televised on Penn Atlantic. Based on this game Knox may not be the MWC cellar dweller this year.

augiefan--

Sounds like you were anticipating a wider margin of victory. Do you think Augie didn't play up to their full capabilities, Knox played especially well, neither, or both? Thanks.

[John Gleich]

Wheaton up to #6, IWU and Carthage to #16 and #17 respectively, Augie up to #21.

[petemcb]

Wheaton up to #6, IWU and Carthage to #16 and #17 respectively, Augie up to #21.

And order, rightly or wrongly, has been restored to the universe.

[Dennis_Prikkel]

Wheaton up to #6, IWU and Carthage to #16 and #17 respectively, Augie up to #21.

And order, rightly or wrongly, has been restored to the universe.

OY

[petemcb]

Wheaton up to #6, IWU and Carthage to #16 and #17 respectively, Augie up to #21.

And order, rightly or wrongly, has been restored to the universe.

OY

Dennis, are you "OYing" the "rightly" or the "wrongly"? 

[Gregory Sager]

Final from St. Louis...

Millikin 58
Maryville (Mo) 39

http://www.maryville.edu/athletics-livestats/

And Maryville has spurned the SLIAC to go DII.  How brutal is their awakening going to be?!

It's already bad, and it's going to get worse. In their maiden voyage as a D2 team, the Saints lost their opener at home to NAIA-1 Harris-Stowe (3-4) by fifteen points. Then they went up to Mankato, MN to face a pair of D2 teams in a classic-format tourney; they lost to host MSU-Mankato (5-0) by 32 and to Minnesota-Duluth (2-4, with one of the losses coming at home by 13 to WIAC member UW-Superior) by 28. And now they've lost at home to Millikin by 19 in a game in which Maryville's leading scorer had a whopping seven points and the Saints shot 11-45 (.244) from the field. And keep in mind that this is the same Millikin team that lost at home to Maryville's former SLIAC rival Webster a week ago.

The attendance at Maryville's D2 debut against Harris-Stowe was 275. The attendance last night was 100. Hopefan's gone on at length on the SLIAC board over the past year about how baffled he is by Maryville's move to D2. I suspect that there's a lot of small-college basketball onlookers in the midwest who share his confusion over Maryville's decision.

[Dennis_Prikkel]

Maryville // D2.

I think the ability to offer scholarships is a huge factor in small schools willing to try the D2 route.  I know Dan McCarrell often mused about the idea in the mid-seventies, before NPC went on its ten-year rampage.

The idea of being able to offer a free ride, even to a limited number of scholarship athletes, is a lot easier on a coach then waiting for those tuition deposits to come in over the summer.

dgp

[John Gleich]

Maryville // D2.

I think the ability to offer scholarships is a huge factor in small schools willing to try the D2 route.  I know Dan McCarrell often mused about the idea in the mid-seventies, before NPC went on its ten-year rampage.

The idea of being able to offer a free ride, even to a limited number of scholarship athletes, is a lot easier on a coach then waiting for those tuition deposits to come in over the summer.

dgp

At what point is the "payoff," though?  It probably is contingent upon when Maryville will start to give schollie's (anybody know when that is?), and due to geographic constraints, they probably are still going to be battling for the same kids.  Maybe they'll get a few of them... but will that be enough?

(These questions were just brought on by your comment... they're not really directed at you.  Wouldn't want to, ya know, give you any bull from my house...     )

[mwunder]

Wheaton up to #6, IWU and Carthage to #16 and #17 respectively, Augie up to #21.

After watching Carthage against Wisconsin Lutheran, I would say this ranking is unwarranted.  Bosko said it best..."I wasn't happy with our play. Even though we weren't behind, we played like we were for the last 30 minutes. I thought Wisconsin Lutheran played with more energy and more of a purpose than we did for that last 30 minutes."

The Red Men looked almost bored at times on the floor, aside from Max Cary's constant energy.  The "D" gave up way too many easy buckets in transition, etc, etc.  There are a lot of teaching points to take away from this one.

Steve D got fouled harder, more often, than I've seen in the past and that is not a knock against Wi Lutheran, just an observation.

Quietest triple-double I have ever seen...

[Dennis_Prikkel]

Wheaton up to #6, IWU and Carthage to #16 and #17 respectively, Augie up to #21.

And order, rightly or wrongly, has been restored to the universe.

OY

Dennis, are you "OYing" the "rightly" or the "wrongly"?  

I am an 'equal opportunity' oyer -  

An 'Oy' for all seasons.

[John Gleich]

Bosko said it best..."I wasn't happy with our play."

I think that coaches who have a desire for their teams to be the best they possibly can be rarely feel that their teams play as well as possible... but that's different than saying "I wasn't happy with our play."  Especially because he said:

"Even though we weren't behind, we played like we were for the last 30 minutes. I thought Wisconsin Lutheran played with more energy and more of a purpose than we did for that last 30 minutes."

That's questioning his team's effort.  It sounds like CC was the more talented team and that's what won the game for them.

It kind of begs the question... would you rather win playing poorly or play well but still lose?

[Titan Q]

IWU played its first game at the Shirk Center 15 years ago today...

http://www.pantagraph.com/sports/scoreboard/from_pages_past/article_727aeec4-de4b-11de-83be-001cc4c002e0.html


Ever get hit with something random that makes you feel old?  This one got me!

[augiefan]

Augie defeats Knox 73-56 in Galesburg. Augie's height and depth prevailed, but Knox was pretty competitive for much of the game, which was televised on Penn Atlantic. Based on this game Knox may not be the MWC cellar dweller this year.

augiefan--

Sounds like you were anticipating a wider margin of victory. Do you think Augie didn't play up to their full capabilities, Knox played especially well, neither, or both? Thanks.

I never felt Augie was going to lose this game, but they did let Knox get back into the game midway through the 2nd half before winning going away. I just saw some poor defense by Augie and a number of easy layups by Knox in the 2nd half, when they cut the margin to 6 points with a clearly smaller and slower lineup. Knox was 2-20 last year and was generally picked to finish last in the MWC again this year. I just felt that they are may better than Beloit and few other bottom feeder MWC teams this year.

[Titan Q]

IWU 65
Monmouth 55

* Sean Johnson: 18 pts, 3 reb, 4 assists
* Doug Sexauer: 15 pts, 10 reb
* Ryan Connolly: 11 pts, 6 reb


This sounded like a really ugly offensive performance by the Titans.  IWU had trouble separating from the Scots, and really didn't do so until about the 8:00 mark of the game.  The Titans are a terrific offensive team - they came in averaging 84 per game - but only scored 65 vs Monmouth.  Very strange.  The Titans were just 6-19 from 3, 13-20 from the FT line, and turned it over a season high 17 times.  Fortunately, IWU held Monmouth to 32.2% from the field and just 6 assists to 17 turnovers.

6-9/275 sophomore center Ryan Connolly made his first career start.

Former Big Blue Zach Ott had 15 & 7 for Monmouth.  Eric Cogdill led the way for Monmouth with 22 & 9.

IWU (5-1) travels to U. of Chicago Saturday for what should be a tough test.  The Maroons are 4-0 and play @ Wheaton tomorrow evening.

[AndOne]

North Central defeated U of Chicago in a scrimmage in October.
Chicago really has some beef inside, and the beef is not only big and strong, it can move and shoot. With the power, mobility, and shooting ability they have, I'd say the Maroons/Titans inside games may battle to pretty close to a draw. One of Chicago's biggest players can easily slide outside and hit a good percentage of three ball shots. I believe the game will hinge on 1) which team gets the best guard play, and 2) which team takes the best care of the ball.