MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

[Gregory Sager]

David Williams is a classic example of what's called a "filler" at the scorer's table. The game goes incredibly fast for the person who has to key the play-by-play info into the laptop for live stats, and even if he or she has a spotter to assist him or her, it's nevertheless not always possible to stay on top of who is in the game and who isn't. Believe me, anyone who works at a scorer's table will tell you that that's no indictment of the live stats operator. It's hard work.

When an unknown player is in the game, or there is some sort of discrepancy in the live stats PBP, the operator will often pick a player who isn't likely to get into the game (and is thus unlikely to produce stats of his own) and will assign him whatever anomalous statistics (minutes, shots, rebounds, etc.) happen to be present.

It sounds like the official scorekeeper (with the book) didn't go over roster changes with the rest of the crew at the scorer's table.  I always double-check roster changes with each coach, then pass along changes to the PA announcer and the person doing data entry.

I do the same thing in my role as scorekeeper for the North Park women's team and the men's JV team. Mr. B's theory is the most plausible explanation for David Williams's presence in Saturday night's live stats and box score. His appearances in the box scores for Carroll @ NPU and Trinity International @ NPU were, as I said, due to his function as a live-stats filler. Again, it's entirely possible that David Williams did play at Whittier (and had a substantial and positive impact upon the game for the Vikings) and that Davone Robinson didn't, but it seems more likely that Robinson was erroneously identified as Williams.

Incidentally, I don't intend to demean David Williams in any way by referring to him as a statistical filler. I've been very impressed by his play thus far this season on the North Park JV team. He has terrific potential as a CCIW varsity player, and he's an excellent addition to the Vikings program.

Speaking of Williamses, congratulations to Nick Williams upon being named CCIW Player of the Week. Nick continues to creep up the NPU career leaders lists in several categories. He's passed Lamar Townsend and is moving on Marc Horner for twelfth place on the North Park all-time career scoring list. Williams is currently at 1,157 points; Horner sits at 1,278. And with his next three-pointer Williams will break a tie with Jeff Pearson and have sole possession of fourth place on NPU's all-time career list for treys (Williams and Pearson have 129 apiece). He may catch former CCIW MOP Mike Barach (143) in that category before the season's over, but Rick Alspach (243), Jason Collins (163), and Dan Hill (162) are probably out of reach.

[Titan Q]

Interested to see what Elmhurst does at home vs Westminster tonight.  Westminster is located in Fulton, Mo, which is just 25 minutes or so from my home in Columbia.  I saw the Blue Jays play 3 times last season and they were a very solid team...very undersized relative to a good CCIW team, but solid.  

I believe Westminster is picked to win the SLIAC this season.  I think it's safe to say Elmhurst is projected to be a bottom 4 CCIW team at this point.  It seems to me that SLIAC #1 equals about CCIW #7, so I'm interested to see how this one plays out.  The fact Elmhurst is very small this year should also help Westminster.    

We'll see what happens when the Bluejays host the Blue Jays.

http://www.sidearmstats.com/elmhurst/mbball/index.htm

[Gregory Sager]

Final from Faganel:

Westminster (MO) 63
Elmhurst 60

Down by a point with a minute and a half left, Elmhurst had four shots to take the lead -- and missed all four. Following a pair of Westmo FTs, EC had a chance to tie the game with a trey with :07 left -- and missed it.

Bainter had 20 and 7, Boyd had 14 and 8, and Acosta had 10 and 10 for the 'jays, who played without Aaron Schroeder tonight (reason for absence unknown). The 'jays drop to 4-5 on the season.

[Titan Q]

Westminster controlled most of the 2nd half, and maintained a comfortable lead (8-10 points) for a significant stretch.  Elmhurst battled back and went up 2 with about 3:00 left, but I think the lead only lasted about :30 or so.

After watching Elmhurst trot out physically enormous teams for almost all of this decade, it seems weird the Bluejays guys 6-3 and shorter the entire game.

[Gregory Sager]

It's a shame that our only active Elmhurst poster at the moment is an out-of-towner, since it'd be great if we had someone there on or near campus who could give us the scoop on Schroeder's absence.

It's like there's some sort of plague at Faganel that only afflicts players who are 6'3 or taller.

This is Mark Scherer's fourteenth season at the helm at Elmhurst, and this will be only the third time that he's lost five non-conference games in a season. In his second year, 1997-98, the 'jays went 6-5 in non-con play but recovered to go 7-7 in the league and 13-12 overall. In 2002-03 they went 5-6 in non-conference action, but again the 'jays exceeded expectations in CCIW play by going 6-8 to finish with an overall record of 11-14. What that tells me is that Scherer has a track record for developing teams that start off the season slowly. We'll see if he can do it again this year.

Elmhurst's two remaining non-con games are @ Wisconsin-LaCrosse (8-2) on Wednesday and a final tuneup against Simpson (3-7) on Saturday, January 2. I'm guessing that the 'jays will enter CCIW play with a 5-6 record, since a win over UWL the day after tomorrow would be a massive upset.

[BlueJay21]

Aaron Schroeder hurt his knee a minute into the Stevens Point game and has not played since. Word is that he may play on Wednesday night, but should for sure be back in time for conference season. He was off to a good start to the season.

[CCIWchamps]

I dont read this board, so I am not sure if it has been posted previously, but have you guys seen this:

http://www.ncaa.org/wps/ncaa?key=/ncaa/ncaa/ncaa+news/ncaa+news+online/2009/association-wide/tebow+heads+2010+top+viii+honorees_12_17_09_ncaa_news

I didnt realize he was pursuing his Masters Degree, I thought he was playing in Spain.

CCIW stars can do both!

Can't MIT national POYs multitask?!

I don't know- I haven't seen the tape.  (Too soon?)   

[Red.Men1]

I dont read this board, so I am not sure if it has been posted previously, but have you guys seen this:

http://www.ncaa.org/wps/ncaa?key=/ncaa/ncaa/ncaa+news/ncaa+news+online/2009/association-wide/tebow+heads+2010+top+viii+honorees_12_17_09_ncaa_news

I didnt realize he was pursuing his Masters Degree, I thought he was playing in Spain.

CCIW stars can do both!

Can't MIT national POYs multitask?!

I don't know- I haven't seen the tape.  (Too soon?)   

Holds CCIW records for career made free throws (325)

I knew that this couldn't be right; because I was pretty sure that Stevie D. had made more than that already.
Not including this year, he is already at 425 (this year he's at 80-88 (.909) so far).

So I looked at the archived Wheaton statistics and Raymond's career FT numbers were 613-691 (.887).

Am I missing something statistically or was this just a typo by the NCAA?

[doolittledog]

Keaton Frye showed up on the University of Dubuque roster today.  I know he spent a year at Valpo and then I had heard he was transferring to Augustana.  Does anybody on this board know if he did go to Augustana and then transfer again?  Or if he transferred straight to the University of Dubuque and has just now become eligible? 

[dansand]

I dont read this board, so I am not sure if it has been posted previously, but have you guys seen this:

http://www.ncaa.org/wps/ncaa?key=/ncaa/ncaa/ncaa+news/ncaa+news+online/2009/association-wide/tebow+heads+2010+top+viii+honorees_12_17_09_ncaa_news

I didnt realize he was pursuing his Masters Degree, I thought he was playing in Spain.

CCIW stars can do both!

Can't MIT national POYs multitask?!

I don't know- I haven't seen the tape.  (Too soon?)   

Holds CCIW records for career made free throws (325)

I knew that this couldn't be right; because I was pretty sure that Stevie D. had made more than that already.
Not including this year, he is already at 425 (this year he's at 80-88 (.909) so far).

So I looked at the archived Wheaton statistics and Raymond's career FT numbers were 613-691 (.887).

Am I missing something statistically or was this just a typo by the NCAA?

I'm guessing that 325 includes conference games only.

[dansand]

Keaton Frye showed up on the University of Dubuque roster today.  I know he spent a year at Valpo and then I had heard he was transferring to Augustana.  Does anybody on this board know if he did go to Augustana and then transfer again?  Or if he transferred straight to the University of Dubuque and has just now become eligible? 

Keaton played JV ball at Augie in 2007-08.

[doolittledog]

Keaton Frye showed up on the University of Dubuque roster today.  I know he spent a year at Valpo and then I had heard he was transferring to Augustana.  Does anybody on this board know if he did go to Augustana and then transfer again?  Or if he transferred straight to the University of Dubuque and has just now become eligible? 

Keaton played JV ball at Augie in 2007-08.

Thanks for the info. 

Yikes, kid goes from D1 to D3 JV...wow!!!

[Red.Men1]

I dont read this board, so I am not sure if it has been posted previously, but have you guys seen this:

http://www.ncaa.org/wps/ncaa?key=/ncaa/ncaa/ncaa+news/ncaa+news+online/2009/association-wide/tebow+heads+2010+top+viii+honorees_12_17_09_ncaa_news

I didnt realize he was pursuing his Masters Degree, I thought he was playing in Spain.

CCIW stars can do both!

Can't MIT national POYs multitask?!

I don't know- I haven't seen the tape.  (Too soon?)   

Holds CCIW records for career made free throws (325)

I knew that this couldn't be right; because I was pretty sure that Stevie D. had made more than that already.
Not including this year, he is already at 425 (this year he's at 80-88 (.909) so far).

So I looked at the archived Wheaton statistics and Raymond's career FT numbers were 613-691 (.887).

Am I missing something statistically or was this just a typo by the NCAA?

I'm guessing that 325 includes conference games only.

Good call. I didn't think to look at the CCIW website which breaks down the CCIW/non-conf stats (unlike the schools websites).

http://www.cciw.org/winter_bball_m/MBB_Records.pdf

Although, now that I have this plethora of CCIW only statistics (I'm sure you've all checked it out before, but it's really interesting to read through if you've got some time), I see Steve hit 23 FTs against North Central in 2008...so Raymond doesn't hold the record with 20 (20-20 is amazing though). And Raymond is 4th in Career FT Percentage (325-363 - .895).

Regardless, it's a great honor for Raymond, and Wheaton, and the CCIW. Congrats to him.

And thanks for the heads up dansand.

[usee]

another interesting record (forgive me if this has been covered before) was the lowest score for a winning team. Augustana scored 12 points in 1973 against Carroll and won 12-6. I guess that would be considered a blowout when you double the score of your opponent.

[Dennis_Prikkel]

another interesting record (forgive me if this has been covered before) was the lowest score for a winning team. Augustana scored 12 points in 1973 against Carroll and won 12-6. I guess that would be considered a blowout when you double the score of your opponent.

two lowest scores in CCIW history occured on consecutive nights in Wisconsin.  Augie beat Carthage 37-34 and the next night beat Carroll 12-6.  Carroll held the ball - i believe the score was 4-2 at half.

North Park beat Carthage 108-52 in Kenosha in 1980, which is more than doubling the score and the largest winning margin in CCIW history.

North Park's three national championship teams averaged winning their CCIW games by a 17 point margin in 1978-80.  Wheaton's four undefeated CCI champions, 1956-59, averaged winning their games by more than 30 points during that 56-game stretch.