MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

[mr_b]

Couldn't help but notice this reference to Davone Robinson's injury. Also saw that the box score for the UW-Superior game shows #11 David Williams starting in place of Robinson. Just wondered if this doesn't explain why David Williams might have also played in North Park's previous game against Whittier College and was credited for scoring 14 points. If you recall, Robinson wasn't listed in the box score for that game and you thought David Williams was a "statistical filler" instead of actually playing in the game and that his stat line was really Robinson's or someone else's. Your thoughts?     

A quick check of the stats shows that David Williams has logged 51 minutes of playing time.  He appeared briefly in two early contests, both times registering less than a minute, then played 16 minutes vs. Cal Tech, 19 vs. Whittier, and 16 vs. UW Superior.  Unless the cumulative stats are wrong, it would seem that he did in fact get significant playing time against Whittier.  By now, I'm sure such a big error would have been corrected.

[usee]

Hey Q, Sager, et al--

How about a CCIW all decade team for basketball? There has to be some tough choices if you were only going to pick a starting 5 and a 6th man (non starter).

[ball]

Here is some trivia to start the new decade: Carthage men's basketball coach Bosko Djurickovic's CCIW winning percentage entering the 2009-10 season (.663, 224-114) is the sixth-best in the 63-year history of the league, and his 224 wins placed him first among active conference coaches.

Further, I have somehow been blessed with the highest Karma to Post ratio entering this post (4:10) on this thread. 

In order to maintain this position I will quote the strange, but possibly prophetic, words of novice poster Steve D is the man
 

it looks like a rough day in michigan for the CCIW...  however, wheaton looks way in worse shape than carthage. at least we only lost to ripon by 3. it's apparent that without brent caveman, wheaton are struggling. i anticipate steve d to win it all

Come Wednesday Steve D will indeed win it all and the Redmen will humble the already oh-so-humble Thunder. Should my flagrant confidence cause my Kara/Post ratio to lessen so be. I will stand by the Redmen and go down as a posting martyr. 

[steve d is the man]

Your martyrdom is akin to that of Joan of Arc, the wise and stunning daughter of Sir Charles XXII who was slaughtered before her time was meant to come in the 4th century. Her whole life she advocated that what she believed was the truth; consequently, the truth that we hold self-evident: that the Red Men are going to dominate in dominating fashion come Wednesday, may get us some bad karma points, but the real points that matter are those that go through the hoop.

I predict Wheaton to have as many points as I have karma. And Carthage to have as many points as there is cumulative karma within this thread.

That is all.

[Titan Q]

Hey Q, Sager, et al--

How about a CCIW all decade team for basketball? There has to be some tough choices if you were only going to pick a starting 5 and a 6th man (non starter).

• I've excluded the class of 2000 since those players only played one season in the decade (Korey Coon not eligible)
• I've excluded the current junior class since I think it's hard to evaluate guys through just their freshman and sophomore years (Steve Djurickovic not eligible)
• I've constructed teams by position that could actually play a game
• I considered not only individual production, but also total career impact on CCIW and national success


1st Team
G Adam Dauksas, 6-3 (IWU '06)
G Kent Raymond, 6-3 (Wheaton '09)
F Keelan Amelianovich, 6-6 (IWU '06)
F Rob Garnes, 6-4 (Carthage '03)
C Jason Wiertel, 6-8 (Carthage '02)

2nd Team
G Antoine McDaniel, 6-2 (Carthage '03)
G Drew Carstens, 6-3 (Augustana '04)
F Chris Martin, 6-6 (Elmhurst '06)
F Joel Kolmodin, 6-8 (Wheaton '05)
C Brent Ruch, 6-9 (Elmhurst '09)

3rd Team
G Drew Wessels, 6-1 (Augustana '07)
G Rick Harrigan, 6-3 (Augustana '06)
G Ryan Knuppel, 6-2 (Elmhurst '01)
F Luke Kasten, 6-7 (IWU '03)
C Zach Freeman, 6-7 (IWU '07)


Player of the Decade – Kent Raymond (Wheaton '09)


This was hard to put together and certainly open to plenty of debate...but I like my teams.

My odd man out - Luke Moo, 6-6 (Wheaton '01)

[iwu70]

Q, thanks for your "memorable games" from the past decade of IWU bball.  Glad to say I saw a number of those games in person and also enjoyed several on the video feed sitting at my desk in Hong Kong (in the morning here).  Of course, I was "at work." 

The event on January 9th celebrating 100 years of men's bball at IWU should be a special reunion.  Wish I could be there to enjoy it with the Titan nation, but more importantly, to enjoy the games with Carthage that day.  Both men and women's games should be good ones.

Best wishes to all CCIW chatsters for most happy and healthy New Year!

[Titan Q]

Here is a list of Midwest region teams with in-region records of .667 or better through Jan 1...

Anderson, 9-1 (.900)
St. Norbert, 7-1 (.875)
Washington, 6-1 (.857)
North Central, 5-1 (.833)
Westminster, 5-1 (.833)
Ill Wesleyan, 8-2 (.800)
Carthage, 4-1 (.800)
Augustana, 7-2 (.778)
Defiance, 7-2 (.778)
Ill College, 7-2 (.778)
Eureka, 6-2 (.750)
Ripon, 5-2 (.714)
Wheaton, 6-3 (.667)

Let me know if I have missed anyone, or made a mistake on a record.

[Titan Q]

Remaining in-region, non-conference games for the CCIW teams listed above:

Augustana - @ Buena Vista (today)
Wheaton - @ Pomona-Pitzer (today)

Looking down the road at Pool C possibilities, these would be the region records for the 5 CCIW teams listed above assuming a 10-4 conference record (also assuming Augie and Wheaton win their games today)...

Augustana, 18-6 (.750)
Ill Wesleyan, 18-6 (.750)
North Central, 15-5 (.750)
Carthage, 14-5 (.737)
Wheaton, 17-7 (.708)

And assuming 9-5...

Augustana, 17-7 (.708)
Ill Wesleyan, 17-7 (.708)
North Central, 14-6 (.700)
Carthage, 13-6 (.684)
Wheaton, 16-8 (.667)

At 9-5, I don't think any of these teams get in...I don't think .708 or .700 does it.  At 10-4, Augustana, IWU, and North Central would have a very good chance, and Carthage an outside chance (.737 is pushing it).    

Carthage is hurt by a lack of in-region, non-conference wins (games vs Ind-Northwest, Calvin, Hope, Calumet College, Wilkes, and King's don't count).  Wheaton is hurt by 3 losses already...Hamline a killer.

North Park, Elmhurst, and Millikin already have too many in-region losses to be in the Pool C picture.

[usee]

Hey Q, Sager, et al--

How about a CCIW all decade team for basketball? There has to be some tough choices if you were only going to pick a starting 5 and a 6th man (non starter).

• I’ve excluded the class of 2000 since those players only played one season in the decade (Korey Coon not eligible)
• I’ve excluded the current junior class since I think it’s hard to evaluate guys through just their freshman and sophomore years (Steve Djurickovic not eligible)
• I’ve constructed teams by position that could actually play a game
• I considered not only individual production, but also total career impact on CCIW and national success


1st Team
G Adam Dauksas, 6-3 (IWU ’06)
G Kent Raymond, 6-3 (Wheaton ’09)
F Keelan Amelianovich, 6-6 (IWU ’06)
F Rob Garnes, 6-4 (Carthage ’03)
C Jason Wiertel, 6-8 (Carthage ’02)

2nd Team
G Antoine McDaniel, 6-2 (Carthage ’03)
G Drew Carstens, 6-3 (Augustana ’04)
F Chris Martin, 6-6 (Elmhurst ’06)
F Joel Kolmodin, 6-8 (Wheaton ’05)
C Brent Ruch, 6-9 (Elmhurst ’09)

3rd Team
G Drew Wessels, 6-1 (Augustana ’07)
G Rick Harrigan, 6-3 (Augustana ’06)
G Ryan Knuppel, 6-2 (Elmhurst ’01)
F Luke Kasten, 6-7 (IWU ’03)
C Zach Freeman, 6-7 (IWU ’07)


Player of the Decade – Kent Raymond (Wheaton ’09)


This was hard to put together and certainly open to plenty of debate...but I like my teams.

My odd man out - Luke Moo, 6-6 (Wheaton '01)

Very cool. I think you should include anyone who played in the decade. If they were a senior in 2000 so be it. If they aren't graduated yet, so be it. Whatever their body of work it should be included in my opinion. Kind of like a reunion for the Georgetown Chimes I went to recently (with a relative). They had alums from each decade go up and sing. If you spanned 2 decades you got to sing in both groups. I also agree you pick a player at each functional spot to form a team. I did this for football and didn't do any 2nd team but in basketball it makes more sense.

Thanks Q.

[Titan Q]

Very cool. I think you should include anyone who played in the decade. If they were a senior in 2000 so be it. If they aren't graduated yet, so be it. Whatever their body of work it should be included in my opinion. Kind of like a reunion for the Georgetown Chimes I went to recently (with a relative). They had alums from each decade go up and sing. If you spanned 2 decades you got to sing in both groups. I also agree you pick a player at each functional spot to form a team. I did this for football and didn't do any 2nd team but in basketball it makes more sense.

Thanks Q.

It was fun to put together - lots of great players there.  We've been lucky to watch these guys.

I don't think my All Decade team would change, even if made the class of 2000 eligible and included the current junior class.  Korey Coon, a contender for CCIW Player of the 1990's (although, I believe that has to go to IWU's Bryan Crabtree, '97), only played one season this decade, and IWU finished 3rd in the CCIW that year (9-5) and did not make the playoffs.  So despite Coon's outstanding senior year (22.0 ppg, 91% FT on 492 attempts), I don't think his impact in the decade is greater than the players I identified.

With Steve Djurickovic, despite phenomenal numbers through 2 years in the decade, he hasn't led his team to anything yet (two 7-7 seasons, no NCAA appearances).  I would not bump anyone on my list to make room for him.  I'm sure he'll make the list for the '10s!

[Gregory Sager]

Couldn't help but notice this reference to Davone Robinson's injury. Also saw that the box score for the UW-Superior game shows #11 David Williams starting in place of Robinson. Just wondered if this doesn't explain why David Williams might have also played in North Park's previous game against Whittier College and was credited for scoring 14 points. If you recall, Robinson wasn't listed in the box score for that game and you thought David Williams was a "statistical filler" instead of actually playing in the game and that his stat line was really Robinson's or someone else's. Your thoughts?      

A quick check of the stats shows that David Williams has logged 51 minutes of playing time.  He appeared briefly in two early contests, both times registering less than a minute, then played 16 minutes vs. Cal Tech, 19 vs. Whittier, and 16 vs. UW Superior.  Unless the cumulative stats are wrong, it would seem that he did in fact get significant playing time against Whittier.  By now, I'm sure such a big error would have been corrected.

David Williams didn't play in the two early contests; as I said, he was statistical filler in those games. Those box scores still haven't been corrected. He did play in the Whittier game, because, unbeknownst to me and everyone else back here in Chicago, Robinson rolled his ankle either in the Caltech game or in a practice in California between the Caltech and Whittier games and was thus unavailable for the Whittier contest. David Williams has thus entered the NPU rotation due to the absence of Robinson. He's been a little overmatched in certain ways, but you can already see glimpses of what a fine player he could turn out to be for North Park. He's been a dominating player on the JV level thus far, but he still needs some fine-tuning in various aspects of his game. However, his quickness and good on-ball defensive capabilities make him a logical choice to pick up Robinson's minutes, given that Robinson's been playing a lot of point guard and is NPU's defensive stopper on the perimeter.

Williams actually started in the game against UW-Superior in place of Ro Russell (NPU's usual starting PG), not Robinson. I think it was an attempt to light a fire under Russell, who has struggled thus far this season. It seems to have worked, as Russell had a fine game against the 'jackets (11 pts, 3:0 a:to).

[Gregory Sager]

Hey Q, Sager, et al--

How about a CCIW all decade team for basketball? There has to be some tough choices if you were only going to pick a starting 5 and a 6th man (non starter).

Using the d3hoops.com All-American method:

First Team
G Antoine McDaniel, Carthage '03
G Kent Raymond, Wheaton '09
F Chris Martin, Elmhurst '06
F Jason Wiertel, Carthage '02
C Joel Kolmodin, Wheaton '05

Second Team
G Adam Dauksas, Illinois Wesleyan '06
G Drew Carstens, Augustana '04
F Keelan Amelianovich, Illinois Wesleyan '06
F Rob Garnes, Carthage '03
C Brent Ruch, Elmhurst '09

Third Team
G Ryan Knuppel, Elmhurst '01
G Steve Djurickovic, Carthage '11
F Anthony Simmons, North Central '07
F Luke Kasten, Illinois Wesleyan '03
C Zach Freeman, Illinois Wesleyan '07

Fourth Team
G Drew Wessels, Augustana '07
G Rick Harrigan, Augustana '06
F Dan Walton, North Central '07
F Chris Drennan, North Central '09
C Lukas Moo, Wheaton '01

Fifth Team
G Jon Nielson, Wheaton '05
G Ryan Burks, Elmhurst '09
F Jay McAdams-Thornton, Augustana '06
F Shaun Clements, Augustana '04
C Theo Powell, Carthage '04

Player of the Decade: Kent Raymond, Wheaton '09
Coach of the Decade: Grey Giovanine, Augustana

[Gregory Sager]

Elmhurst 84, Simpson 73

* Chris Childs: 21 pts (5-6 trey)
* Zach Boyd: 18 pts (10-10 FT), 6 rebs
* Dustin Bainter: 15 pts
* Joe Acosta: 9 pts, 5 asts

Elmhurst concludes its non-conference slate with a 5-6 record.

[Gregory Sager]

Wilkes 72, Carthage 61

* Steve Djurickovic: 20 pts, 5 asts
* Tyler Pierce: 15 pts, 5 rebs
* Mitch Thompson: 8 pts, 6 rebs
* Max Cary: 7 rebs

Carthage had a 13-point lead in the first half of this game, and was up by five at the half, but endured a stretch in the middle of the second half in which it scored only one point over an eight-minute span. During that stretch, the Red Men went from nine points up to five points down, and they never recovered.

Their shooting was miserable: 20-56 (.357) from the field, 4-20 (.200) from long range, and 17-28 (.607) from the charity stripe. The numbers for the Colonels, by comparison, were .532, .400, and .727. Rebounds were even, Wilkes turned the ball over three more times than did Carthage.

Three CC forwards -- Raul Guzman, Adam Tolo, and Tyler Pierce -- fouled out in this game. I'll bet that Bosko is not a fan of northeastern Pennsylvania refereeing.

[augiefan]

Augie loses to Buena Vista 76-66. The brutal nonconference season draws to a close with a really uninspiring effort by the CCIW in general. It has been a long time since the CCIW has not been a factor on the National scene in DIII, but this looks like one of those down years. IWU looks like our best hope for post season success, but a hard CCIW conference season could toughen up some of our other teams.