MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

[aceon2]

Q,

What time are the games on Saturday between Carthage and Wesleyan??  Everywhere I go its different.  Thanks.

Women - 2:00pm
Men - 4:30pm

Thanks for the quick response.  Q can you get them to move the start times back just an hour, so we can double dip (ISU vs N. Iowa at 3:05) followed by IWU/Carthage

[Titan Q]

IWU's record through the first 100 years (through '08-09) was 1460-830 (.638).  Among current Division III teams, that is the 3rd highest win total...

Wittenberg (98 yrs) - 1588-641
Wooster (109 yrs) - 1495-757
Ill. Wesleyan (100 yrs) - 1460-830
St. Thomas (100 yrs) - 1450-809
Hope (104 yrs) - 1429-712

[Titan Q]

Q,

What time are the games on Saturday between Carthage and Wesleyan??  Everywhere I go its different.  Thanks.

Women - 2:00pm
Men - 4:30pm

Thanks for the quick response.  Q can you get them to move the start times back just an hour, so we can double dip (ISU vs N. Iowa at 3:05) followed by IWU/Carthage

Talk about a great day of college basketball in Bloomington-Normal.

[Gregory Sager]

Ypsi, can you tell us more about that season?

Chuck had already moved to Michigan by that point and was no longer able to attend basketball games.

I kind of have the same feeling myself, Greg, but was wondering if anyone else who has seen the other CCIW teams play had any additional input.

One positive that I've seen and have been very happy about is the play of Emmanuel Crosby.  Not only has he done a nice job offensively and on the boards, he appears to be a VERY good teammate, as well as somewhat of a budding leader on the court.  North Park can sure use some leadership, especially from a young guy on a team of young guys.

I agree about Crosby. He picked up a couple of quick fouls in last night's game, went to the bench, came back at the end of the first half because Paul Brenegan was desperate to counter Augie's size, picked up his third foul almost immediately, and was never a factor at all in the game. That hurt NPU badly, especially since the absence of Christian Alsing meant that the only C/PFs with size that Brenegan had left were freshman Zach Dungee (who had an ineffective cameo last night) and sophomore Dawon Mitchell, and neither of them is ready to see sustained minutes in a CCIW game at this point.

I think that Crosby will shake off last night and have an effective game against Millikin on Saturday. Of course, Millikin's defensive prowess presents a new set of headaches for Brenegan and his staff. The complete shutdown of the Park for the first five minutes of last night's game by Augie was the big difference in the outcome, and as last night demonstrated, NPU is already prone to long scoring droughts.

[Dennis_Prikkel]

Ypsi, can you tell us more about that season?

Chuck had already moved to Michigan by that point and was no longer able to attend basketball games.

I kind of have the same feeling myself, Greg, but was wondering if anyone else who has seen the other CCIW teams play had any additional input.

One positive that I've seen and have been very happy about is the play of Emmanuel Crosby.  Not only has he done a nice job offensively and on the boards, he appears to be a VERY good teammate, as well as somewhat of a budding leader on the court.  North Park can sure use some leadership, especially from a young guy on a team of young guys.

I agree about Crosby. He picked up a couple of quick fouls in last night's game, went to the bench, came back at the end of the first half because Paul Brenegan was desperate to counter Augie's size, picked up his third foul almost immediately, and was never a factor at all in the game. That hurt NPU badly, especially since the absence of Christian Alsing meant that the only C/PFs with size that Brenegan had left were freshman Zach Dungee (who had an ineffective cameo last night) and sophomore Dawon Mitchell, and neither of them is ready to see sustained minutes in a CCIW game at this point.

I think that Crosby will shake off last night and have an effective game against Millikin on Saturday. Of course, Millikin's defensive prowess presents a new set of headaches for Brenegan and his staff. The complete shutdown of the Park for the first five minutes of last night's game by Augie was the big difference in the outcome, and as last night demonstrated, NPU is already prone to long scoring droughts.

and - sadly - longing winning droughts in CCIW games as well.

[petemcb]

IWU's record through the first 100 years (through '08-09) was 1460-830 (.638).  Among current Division III teams, that is the 3rd highest win total...

Wittenberg (98 yrs) - 1588-641
Wooster (109 yrs) - 1495-757
Ill. Wesleyan (100 yrs) - 1460-830
St. Thomas (100 yrs) - 1450-809
Hope (104 yrs) - 1429-712

And, to give the Titans their due props, I would venture to say that their conference slates have been more challenging, by virtue of their CCIW membership, than any of the other 4 teams in the top 5.  More hard-earned victories is what I'm saying.  That is an impressive record.

[Titan Q]

IWU's record through the first 100 years (through '08-09) was 1460-830 (.638).  Among current Division III teams, that is the 3rd highest win total...

Wittenberg (98 yrs) - 1588-641
Wooster (109 yrs) - 1495-757
Ill. Wesleyan (100 yrs) - 1460-830
St. Thomas (100 yrs) - 1450-809
Hope (104 yrs) - 1429-712

And, to give the Titans their due props, I would venture to say that their conference slates have been more challenging, by virtue of their CCIW membership, than any of the other 4 teams in the top 5.  More hard-earned victories is what I'm saying.  That is an impressive record.

Also consider all of the DI's, DII's, and NAIA powers Jack Horenberger and Dennie Bridges played (or whatever those larger schools were called back in the day)...not to mention the tough D3 non-conference schedule Dennie always played (the Wittenbergs, Wash Us, Nebraska Wesleyans, etc.).

http://www.iwu.edu/menssports/basketball/mbbrec07.shtml

For example, 1982-83 non-conference slate...

1982-83 (17-11)
Coach: Dennie Bridges
Captain: Brad Gregurich
DePauw                  72-73
Indiana Central*        78-75
Olivet Nazarene*        94-71
Wabash                  64-70
St. Xavier*             73-67
@South Alabama          66-86
@Mississippi            65-77
@Arizona                67-64
MacMurray*              88-74

Or from my freshman year at IWU...

1989-90 (22-9)
Coach: Dennie Bridges
Captains: J. Kuehl, Mark Edmundson
Hawaii Pacific*         84-73
Olivet Nazarene*        85-68
Northwestern            72-81
Northern Illinois       70-73
Wabash*                 96-70
Indianapolis            78-92
Illinois Benedictine*   82-76
Washington U.           69-78
@Hawaii-Hilo            75-72
@Brigham Young-Hawaii   75-93
DePauw*                 65-67

[sac]

IWU's record through the first 100 years (through '08-09) was 1460-830 (.638).  Among current Division III teams, that is the 3rd highest win total...

Wittenberg (98 yrs) - 1588-641
Wooster (109 yrs) - 1495-757
Ill. Wesleyan (100 yrs) - 1460-830
St. Thomas (100 yrs) - 1450-809
Hope (104 yrs) - 1429-712

And, to give the Titans their due props, I would venture to say that their conference slates have been more challenging, by virtue of their CCIW membership, than any of the other 4 teams in the top 5.  More hard-earned victories is what I'm saying.  That is an impressive record.

Wittenberg was a member of the old Ohio Athletic Conference, in the early years the OAC contained most of what is now the Ohio representation of the Mid-American Conference.

I would venture to guess Wittenberg holds more wins over what are now D1 programs than any other D3 school.

Two wins from the early 70's that caught my eye.........Pittsburgh and Evansville

http://www4.wittenberg.edu/news/athletics/mbasketball/records/recordbook.pdf

[Mr. Ypsi]

Ypsi, can you tell us more about that season?

While I saw EVERY home game from 1966-70 (and MANY away games), my memory of the 1910 season is a bit hazy.

Shouldn't that be in the d3hoops.com archives?

[Mr. Ypsi]

I CAN tell you that the ISU score was probably an upset - in 111 games against them, IWU went 69-42!

Also, the next year (1910-11), IWU played Illinois College three times - one of the games we won 53-3!   That's my kind of defense!

[petemcb]

IWU's record through the first 100 years (through '08-09) was 1460-830 (.638).  Among current Division III teams, that is the 3rd highest win total...

Wittenberg (98 yrs) - 1588-641
Wooster (109 yrs) - 1495-757
Ill. Wesleyan (100 yrs) - 1460-830
St. Thomas (100 yrs) - 1450-809
Hope (104 yrs) - 1429-712

And, to give the Titans their due props, I would venture to say that their conference slates have been more challenging, by virtue of their CCIW membership, than any of the other 4 teams in the top 5.  More hard-earned victories is what I'm saying.  That is an impressive record.

Also consider all of the DI's, DII's, and NAIA powers Jack Horenberger and Dennie Bridges played (or whatever those larger schools were called back in the day)...not to mention the tough D3 non-conference schedule Dennie always played (the Wittenbergs, Wash Us, Nebraska Wesleyans, etc.).

http://www.iwu.edu/menssports/basketball/mbbrec07.shtml

For example, 1982-83 non-conference slate...

1982-83 (17-11)
Coach: Dennie Bridges
Captain: Brad Gregurich
DePauw                  72-73
Indiana Central*        78-75
Olivet Nazarene*        94-71
Wabash                  64-70
St. Xavier*             73-67
@South Alabama          66-86
@Mississippi            65-77
@Arizona                67-64
MacMurray*              88-74

Or from my freshman year at IWU...

1989-90 (22-9)
Coach: Dennie Bridges
Captains: J. Kuehl, Mark Edmundson
Hawaii Pacific*         84-73
Olivet Nazarene*        85-68
Northwestern            72-81
Northern Illinois       70-73
Wabash*                 96-70
Indianapolis            78-92
Illinois Benedictine*   82-76
Washington U.           69-78
@Hawaii-Hilo            75-72
@Brigham Young-Hawaii   75-93
DePauw*                 65-67

Bob, I was going to acknowledge that part of their schedule over the years too, but figured you'd do a better job of documenting it, and voila!  

[Titan Q]

I would venture to guess Wittenberg holds more wins over what are now D1 programs than any other D3 school.

That would be a fun record to have - wins by current D3 teams over current D1 teams.  Per IWU's media guide, here is a list of wins over current D1's:

Arizona – 1
Bradley – 35
Butler – 1
Centenary – 3
Chicago St – 4
Eastern Ill – 15
Evansville – 1
Hawaii – 1
Illinois State – 69
Iona – 3
Iowa – 1
Louisiana Tech – 1
Louisville – 1
Loyola (Chi) – 3
Marquette – 1
Ole Miss – 1
Northern Ill – 17
South Carolina – 1
SE Louisiana – 3
Southern Illinois -4
Southern Miss – 2
Texas Tech – 1
Valparaiso – 3
Western Ill – 4

Total = 176

http://issuu.com/iwusports/docs/mensbasketball?mode=embed&layout=http%3A%2F%2Fskin.issuu.com%2Fv%2Flight%2Flayout.xml&showFlipBtn=true
(Series Records vs Opponents section - 3rd page from the back)

(Although it says, "select Division I foes", so I don't know if all the wins are there.)


I have no idea where that 176 total would rank vs other current D3's.

[sac]

I would venture to guess Wittenberg holds more wins over what are now D1 programs than any other D3 school.

I have no idea where that 176 total would rank vs other current D3's.

I don't recall seeing Witt with 69 wins over anyone, that probably puts IWU at the top.

[AndOne]

Here's the article from last nights Carthage/Wheaton game.  One observation during the game that had nothing to do with the players or coaches, but was interesting to see.  There were a group of about 7-8 Wheaton fans who were sitting right by the Carthage student section.  It appeared from a distance there was just some good natured ribbing going on, but security came over and asked the Wheaton students to move.  When they refused, and continued to do whatever it is they were doing, they were kicked out of the building.  Again, I don't know exactly what was taking place, just looked like fans having a good time but who knows.

http://www.kenoshanews.com/sports/red_men_open_cciw_with_win_7084007.html

REDMEN---

I think its noteworthy that you, as a Carthage supporter, didn't notice any illegal,  dangerous, or even disruptive activity on the part of the Wheaton contingent, but yet the Carthage authorities chose to have them ejected from the premises.

Perhaps the CC security forces took their que from the Wheaton Gestapo forces who not only had a group of fun loving fans, I believe from North Park, kicked out last year, but called in reinforcements in the form of the local Wheaton constabulary to invoke their decree. Alas, a little of their own medicine for the Wheaties?    

[AndOne]

The Wheaton team seemed pretty flat last night.  I wonder if part of that can be attributed to the fact their bus broke down on the way to Kenosha.  They had to wait almost  1 1/2 for another one to come.

Sounds like a convenient excuse Impala. The wait didn't seem to adversely effect Tim McCrary.