MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

[Gregory Sager]

What you do not recognize is the severe rivalry between Wheaton College and North Park students/alum (particularly from the perspective of North Park).  Wheaton has often (and many times rightfully so) been perceived as arrogant, haughty, proud, puffed up, etc...  Mr. Sager and other NP alum could add more adjectives, I'm sure.    

This article was written by a Wheaton alum and the title alone will not resonate well, particularly with alum from other Evangelical institutions.  As Mr. Sager points out, just the title alone was stomach-churning to him.

I would point out that as a Wheaton alum I find the article very interesting, but the title (and perception) and self-declarative as "Evangelical Flagship" is nauseating.  While I still don't like the labelling as one institution as superior to another (particularly Evangelical institutions - so much for humility), it is even worse when someone associated with the said institution is the one boasting.

Right, but it was a well-written and thoughtful article that's worth a read by anyone interested in Christian higher education simply upon its own journalistic merits.

My animosity towards Wheaton as an NPU alumnus aside, I do respect Wheaton and I find the administration vs. faculty dynamic there fascinating as an outsider and as someone with a strong interest in Christian colleges and universities. It's just that every time I read something about Wheaton I find myself having to wade through glowing epithets about Blanchard Hall being the omphalos of Christendom that always make my gag reflex kick in.

(Incidentally, Mugsy is one of the good guys as far as Wheaton alumni go. Like Underdog's meek alter ego Shoeshine Boy, Mugsy is humble and lovable. But I attribute this to his intimate acquaintance with a North Park graduate. )

[Mugsy]

What you do not recognize is the severe rivalry between Wheaton College and North Park students/alum (particularly from the perspective of North Park).  Wheaton has often (and many times rightfully so) been perceived as arrogant, haughty, proud, puffed up, etc...  Mr. Sager and other NP alum could add more adjectives, I'm sure.    

This article was written by a Wheaton alum and the title alone will not resonate well, particularly with alum from other Evangelical institutions.  As Mr. Sager points out, just the title alone was stomach-churning to him.

I would point out that as a Wheaton alum I find the article very interesting, but the title (and perception) and self-declarative as "Evangelical Flagship" is nauseating.  While I still don't like the labelling as one institution as superior to another (particularly Evangelical institutions - so much for humility), it is even worse when someone associated with the said institution is the one boasting.

Right, but it was a well-written and thoughtful article that's worth a read by anyone interested in Christian higher education simply upon its own journalistic merits.

My animosity towards Wheaton as an NPU alumnus aside, I do respect Wheaton and I find the administration vs. faculty dynamic there fascinating as an outsider and as someone with a strong interest in Christian colleges and universities. It's just that every time I read something about Wheaton I find myself having to wade through glowing epithets about Blanchard Hall being the omphalos of Christendom that always make my gag reflex kick in.

(Incidentally, Mugsy is one of the good guys as far as Wheaton alumni go. Like Underdog's meek alter ego Shoeshine Boy, Mugsy is humble and lovable. But I attribute this to his intimate acquaintance with a North Park graduate. )

Ah yes... I edited my post above to show the real reason behind keeping my head out of the clouds (aka "pointy elbows"), plus affliation and/or membership to Covenant Church for nearly 40 years keeps me grounded.

Incidentally I believe this is the first time anyone on the D3 boards as referred to me as "humble and lovable."  I'm sure this will activate all the North Central alerts and have CardinalAlum posting here within the hour.   

[Gregory Sager]

(Besides... my North Park wife jabs me with her pointy North Park elbow anytime I get too puffed up about Wheaton - exception when it comes to football, because... well... 30 straight years of dominance is worth a little pride.   )

Given his prominent place in the North Park football record book (such as it is), this will perhaps be a sore spot between you and your new pastor.

Incidentally I believe this is the first time anyone on the D3 boards as referred to me as "humble and lovable."  I'm sure this will activate all the North Central alerts and have CardinalAlum posting here within the hour.  

As a former North Central football player he'll probably be drawn here by the fact that we're discussing Underdog cartoons.

[WUPHF]

What you do not recognize is the severe rivalry between Wheaton College and North Park students/alum (particularly from the perspective of North Park).  Wheaton has often (and many times rightfully so) been perceived as arrogant, haughty, proud, puffed up, etc...  Mr. Sager and other NP alum could add more adjectives, I'm sure.

OK, OK, I get it now.  Please forgive me.  I am actually glad I posted it now, though maybe I better stick to the UAA thread.  

I lived in Chicago for four years and worked at three Catholic institutions so all I really know is the rivalries, misunderstandings, issues, etc. between the Catholic universities.

The only thing I know about North Park is that they slashed tuition (and the massive tuition discounts) in a rather ambitious and unique recruitment strategy.  It sounded like a good plan.  I know my institution charged $18,000 in tuition, but gave thousands in scholarships to practically everyone, so the North Park plan seemed to make a lot of sense.  Did that plan work, by the way?

[Mugsy]

(Besides... my North Park wife jabs me with her pointy North Park elbow anytime I get too puffed up about Wheaton - exception when it comes to football, because... well... 30 straight years of dominance is worth a little pride.   )

Given his prominent place in the North Park football record book (such as it is), this will perhaps be a sore spot between you and your new pastor.

Doug and his family attended our church for around a decade (90's) during the time when he had received his call from the business world to the pastorate.  While at NP seminary he actually had in internship at GEECC.  I was completely unaware of his football prowess at North Park and even a tryout with the Bears until recently (my wife was on the Search Committee for the new senior pastor).  Doug & I already traded a few jabs.  David Lauber, who was a college roommate and 3 time All-CCIW football player at Wheaton and is now a Wheaton professor, was also on the Search Committee.

Incidentally I believe this is the first time anyone on the D3 boards as referred to me as "humble and lovable."  I'm sure this will activate all the North Central alerts and have CardinalAlum posting here within the hour.  

As a former North Central football player he'll probably be drawn here by the fact that we're discussing Underdog cartoons.

LOL... I may have to ping him to look over here, except I wasn't quick enough to think of the dig myself.

[Mugsy]

What you do not recognize is the severe rivalry between Wheaton College and North Park students/alum (particularly from the perspective of North Park).  Wheaton has often (and many times rightfully so) been perceived as arrogant, haughty, proud, puffed up, etc...  Mr. Sager and other NP alum could add more adjectives, I'm sure.

OK, OK, I get it now.  Please forgive me.  I am actually glad I posted it now, though maybe I better stick to the UAA thread.  

I lived in Chicago for four years and worked at three Catholic institutions so all I really know is the rivalries, misunderstandings, issues, etc. between the Catholic universities.

The only thing I know about North Park is that they slashed tuition (and the massive tuition discounts) in a rather ambitious and unique recruitment strategy.  It sounded like a good plan.  I know my institution charged $18,000 in tuition, but gave thousands in scholarships to practically everyone.  Did that plan work, by the way?

As far as I'm concerned... please feel free to continue posting here.  The few times that you have chimed in, you've brough up interesting discussion.  Others are probably wishing I'd just go back to the CCIW football board.

[WUPHF]

As far as I'm concerned... please feel free to continue posting here.

Yeah, I have probably declared two or three times that I should stop posting, but I keep coming back for more.  The quality and frequency of the posts makes the CCIW thread a little addictive.

[John Gleich]

Speaking of Sidearmstats, I had the IWU/Elmhurst livestats up Sunday from here in Tempe.  Edmond O'Callaghan made a basket before halftime and it said he "silenced the crowd with that basket".  Another possession Sean Johnson "dialed up a trey from long distance."  What's the deal with the color commentary from the software?

That was brought up last week after the NPU @ NCC game:

Does anyone else find the North Central live stats page kind of annoying with terms like "rain maker" and "cleans up the glass" and "dials up a three from long distance" to name a few? 

It is annoying, and if I ever meet someone from Sidearmstats it'll be the first thing I mention. However, I do think that Sidearmstats is an upgrade over the software and format used by North Park, Carthage, Augie, Millikin, etc., in that the Sidearmstats format is much more comprehensive and gives vital game info (team fouls per half, timeouts left, etc.) that the other format doesn't.

http://athletics.internetconsult.com/features/livestats.aspx

http://athletics.internetconsult.com/contact.aspx

I sent a "ticket" inquiring about it...

[omaha]

I lived in Chicago for four years and worked at three Catholic institutions so all I really know is the rivalries, misunderstandings, issues, etc. between the Catholic universities.

The only thing I know about North Park is that they slashed tuition (and the massive tuition discounts) in a rather ambitious and unique recruitment strategy.  It sounded like a good plan.  I know my institution charged $18,000 in tuition, but gave thousands in scholarships to practically everyone, so the North Park plan seemed to make a lot of sense.  Did that plan work, by the way?
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The plan has been succcesful.  North Park had 1408 undergraduate students in 2004-05, the year before the plan was adopted. The following year the number of new students increased from 480 to 607.  Since that time the number of new students has remained around 600 and the total enrollment has increased to 1852.

[John Gleich]

...Incidentally I believe this is the first time anyone on the D3 boards as referred to me as "humble and lovable."  I'm sure this will activate all the North Central alerts and have CardinalAlum posting here within the hour.   

I wondered why I saw the "Cardnal-Signal" on the top of Old Main activated this afternoon...

[robberki]

I lived in Chicago for four years and worked at three Catholic institutions so all I really know is the rivalries, misunderstandings, issues, etc. between the Catholic universities.

The only thing I know about North Park is that they slashed tuition (and the massive tuition discounts) in a rather ambitious and unique recruitment strategy.  It sounded like a good plan.  I know my institution charged $18,000 in tuition, but gave thousands in scholarships to practically everyone, so the North Park plan seemed to make a lot of sense.  Did that plan work, by the way?

The plan has been succcesful.  North Park had 1408 undergraduate students in 2004-05, the year before the plan was adopted. The following year the number of new students increased from 480 to 607.  Since that time the number of new students has remained around 600 and the total enrollment has increased to 1852.










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love the handle omaha. was just there last weekend.

just a reminder, greg and I are broadcasting tonight, check us out at http://www.audiosportsonline.net/NorthPark/2009Basketball.htm as North Park takes on Elmhurst in just a few minutes!

[mr_b]

North Park holds on for a 58-53 win to go to 4-1 in CCIW action... or is that post-preseason action, Greg?

[augiefan]

Augie beats Millikin 68-43. Pelton with 17 points. Everyone else added a few each. Avallone even made 3 of his 6 3s. Carthage also won as they were up 83-69 with a few seconds left. Only Augie has been able to beat the mighty NP Vikings in conference play .

[Dennis_Prikkel]

north park tied for first in the conference - and the veil of the temple was rent.

congrats to the vikings

any update on nick hoekstra?

[magicman]

Tim McCrary with 31 pts leads Wheaton over IWU 66-65. IWU was down 64-58 with 53 secs left when Doug Sexauer hits a jumper. Wheaton turns it over and fouls Jordan Zimmer who hits 2 ft's to make it 64-62. Wheaton turns it over again and Sean Johnson hits a trey to give IWU the lead with 12 secs remaining, setting the stage for Andrew Jahns winning bucket for the game-winner with 1 sec left.
McCrary added 10 rebounds, 4 assists and 3 blocks to go with his 31 pts. Ben Panner was the only other Wheaton player in double figures with 14 pts.
IWU was led by Sexauer with 23 pts and 6 rebounds. Sean Dwyer and Ed O'Callaghan both had 10 pts.