MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

[Gregory Sager]

The CCIW is (correct me if I'm wrong Greg) at 65%.

I wish.

These aren't the final numbers, of course, but even a great run by the CCIW in March isn't going to change these much:

CCIW overall: 55-33 (.625)

...	vs. D1	0-1
...	vs. D2	1-0
...	vs. NAIA-1	0-1
...	vs. NAIA-2	3-1
...	vs. other	1-0
...	vs. D3	50-30 (.625)
...	... ... ...	vs. non-region* D3	2-1
...	... ... ...	vs. in-region indies	0-1
...	... ... ...	vs. ASC	2-2
...	... ... ...	vs. HCAC	5-1
...	... ... ...	vs. IIAC	3-1
...	... ... ...	vs. MIAA	6-4
...	... ... ...	vs. MIAC	1-1
...	... ... ...	vs. MWC	9-2
...	... ... ...	vs. NAthC	6-5
...	... ... ...	vs. NCAC	1-0
...	... ... ...	vs. SCAC	2-0
...	... ... ...	vs. SCIAC	4-0
...	... ... ...	vs. SLIAC	6-3
...	... ... ...	vs. UAA	2-4
...	... ... ...	vs. WIAC	1-5

* not including MIAA and NCAC

[Mr. Ypsi]

Most years the WIAC is regarded as #1.  In 2006 (and perhaps 2009), the CCIW might have edged them out.  The UAA just might have been #1 in 2008.  And this year we might have to all bow down to the ODAC - their top 4 are amazing, and the rest are mostly not-too-shabby.

[Mr. Ypsi]

On a complete tangent (but raised by your post), I've always thought it was 'shoe-in' (as in the salesman at the door), not shoo-in - anyone have an authoritative statement of the term's origin?  (Oughta take Greg about 45 seconds for that one! )

Here's the definition of shoo-in, and here's the etymology.

Reason #47 why I love CCIW Chat!

Must be about time for me to drag out a Spinoza quotation.

[Gregory Sager]

Most years the WIAC is regarded as #1.  In 2006 (and perhaps 2009), the CCIW might have edged them out.  The UAA just might have been #1 in 2008.  And this year we might have to all bow down to the ODAC - their top 4 are amazing, and the rest are mostly not-too-shabby.

Rather than go on a year-by-year basis, which tends to be too volatile, I tend to look at league strength as a longer-term proposition. I have no problem with viewing the WIAC as the #1 league, because more often than not it's been exactly that over the course of the past two decades. Same with the CCIW being in the #2 spot.

On a complete tangent (but raised by your post), I've always thought it was 'shoe-in' (as in the salesman at the door), not shoo-in - anyone have an authoritative statement of the term's origin?  (Oughta take Greg about 45 seconds for that one! )

Here's the definition of shoo-in, and here's the etymology.

Reason #47 why I love CCIW Chat!

Must be about time for me to drag out a Spinoza quotation.

I'm still upset that David hasn't moseyed on over here to moderate our Magnificent Seven versus Seven Samurai confab.

[OurHouse]

Very different players, but both of IWU's starting guards are having very good CCIW seasons so far..

Now I really know you smoke crack for breakfast, lunch and dinner. OMG

MMW'ds

[Mr. Ypsi]

Most years the WIAC is regarded as #1.  In 2006 (and perhaps 2009), the CCIW might have edged them out.  The UAA just might have been #1 in 2008.  And this year we might have to all bow down to the ODAC - their top 4 are amazing, and the rest are mostly not-too-shabby.

Rather than go on a year-by-year basis, which tends to be too volatile, I tend to look at league strength as a longer-term proposition. I have no problem with viewing the WIAC as the #1 league, because more often than not it's been exactly that over the course of the past two decades. Same with the CCIW being in the #2 spot.

On a complete tangent (but raised by your post), I've always thought it was 'shoe-in' (as in the salesman at the door), not shoo-in - anyone have an authoritative statement of the term's origin?  (Oughta take Greg about 45 seconds for that one! )

Here's the definition of shoo-in, and here's the etymology.

Reason #47 why I love CCIW Chat!

Must be about time for me to drag out a Spinoza quotation.

I'm still upset that David hasn't moseyed on over here to moderate our Magnificent Seven versus Seven Samurai confab.

David may be distracted trying to keep me from poking at the hornet's nest known as OxyBob over on the "Bumblin' Bs' board.

[Mugsy]

David may be distracted trying to keep me from poking at the hornet's nest known as OxyBob over on the "Bumblin' Bs' board.

Ypsi, no poking the badger!  Don't do it...   

[Gregory Sager]

David may be distracted trying to keep me from poking at the hornet's nest known as OxyBob over on the "Bumblin' Bs' board.

Ypsi, no poking the badger!  Don't do it...   

I think of OxyBob more as the pesky skunk that lives under the porch than as a hornet's nest or a badger.

[Mr. Ypsi]

David may be distracted trying to keep me from poking at the hornet's nest known as OxyBob over on the "Bumblin' Bs' board.

Ypsi, no poking the badger!  Don't do it...   

Aw, but it is so much fun!  And, unlike real bees or hornets (where I would suffer anaphylactic shock), I'm now immunized against OB.  Veterans need not fear a repeat of the previous 'unpleasantries'.

[mr_b]

There is no NPU bandwagon on CCIW Chat. The North Park fans who have posted here this year are the same ones who were posting here last season when the Park was the league's red-headed stepchild. Rob Berki, Viking Blue, Mr. B, Dennis Prikkel, Mark Erickson, and myself -- and even the occasional contributors such as Omaha, Gotberg, tjcummingsfan, and NPC-Alum -- are as far from bandwagoners or fly-by-nighters as you can get. We've all been here through thick and through (mostly) thin, and the regulars here who root for other teams will tell you that we NPU fans who post here have each earned the right to toot North Park's horn in this room.

This brings to mind Mrs. Jorgensen, an old Danish immigrant neighbor in our little town in northern Michigan.  When her son would get exuberant about something, she would say, "Now, Yimmy, don't yoomp so high that you can't yoomp back down again!"

That being said, it is nice to sound the horn (or bagpipes, ocarina, zampona, or whatever authroized noisemaker you choose) once in a while for our Vikings!

[Dennis_Prikkel]

There is no NPU bandwagon on CCIW Chat. The North Park fans who have posted here this year are the same ones who were posting here last season when the Park was the league's red-headed stepchild. Rob Berki, Viking Blue, Mr. B, Dennis Prikkel, Mark Erickson, and myself -- and even the occasional contributors such as Omaha, Gotberg, tjcummingsfan, and NPC-Alum -- are as far from bandwagoners or fly-by-nighters as you can get. We've all been here through thick and through (mostly) thin, and the regulars here who root for other teams will tell you that we NPU fans who post here have each earned the right to toot North Park's horn in this room.

This brings to mind Mrs. Jorgensen, an old Danish immigrant neighbor in our little town in northern Michigan.  When her son would get exuberant about something, she would say, "Now, Yimmy, don't yoomp so high that you can't yoomp back down again!"

That being said, it is nice to sound the horn (or bagpipes, ocarina, zampona, or whatever authroized noisemaker you choose) once in a while for our Vikings!

Thar she blows....

[markerickson]

Last year someone floated a rumor that a CCIW school was contemplating a move to DII.  The posting brouhaha lasted a couple of weeks.  Did anyone ever identify the school that was in consideration of the move or was someone simply blowing smoke?

[CCIWFAN3]

What would be the incentive to do that!? Most DII's are attempting to go DI.
DII numbers are getting smaller.

[Titan Q]

Last year someone floated a rumor that a CCIW school was contemplating a move to DII.  The posting brouhaha lasted a couple of weeks.  Did anyone ever identify the school that was in consideration of the move or was someone simply blowing smoke?

The rumor was about Carthage.  There was some D2-related website with a message board (kind of like this one) where that was being speculated.  

I have no idea if there was ever any validity to that rumor.

[Gregory Sager]

What would be the incentive to do that!? Most DII's are attempting to go DI.
DII numbers are getting smaller.

Neither statement is true. Most D2s are not looking to move to D1, and the membership of D2 has been stabilized at around 280 for several years now. The NCAA has enacted rules that make it harder for D2 schools to move to D1, such as an eight-year waiting period for D1 men's basketball tournament eligibility or revenue-sharing, minimum football attendance requirements, etc. At the same time the traffic between D2 and D3 has all been one way in recent years, with schools such as Lincoln, Lake Erie, and Chowan moving from D3 to D2 and none moving the other way. I can't even remember the last time that a D2 school scrapped its scholies and moved to D3. Our incoming traffic (and projected incoming traffic) from the two other NCAA divisions has all been from D1 (Birmingham-Southern, Centenary, New Orleans).

The last wave of D2s that moved to D1 was three and a half years ago, as Central Arkansas, North Dakota, South Carolina Upstate, Florida Gulf Coast, Cal State-Bakersfield, New Jersey Tech, and Winston-Salem State all moved to D1 and West Virginia Tech moved from D2 to the NAIA. That outgoing class was fully replaced that year in the D2 ranks by schools that moved into the division, mostly from the NAIA: Notre Dame de Namur, Cal State-Monterey Bay, Newman, Texas A&M International. Texas-Permian Basin, Georgia Southwestern, Mary, and Dixie State.

Last year someone floated a rumor that a CCIW school was contemplating a move to DII.  The posting brouhaha lasted a couple of weeks.  Did anyone ever identify the school that was in consideration of the move or was someone simply blowing smoke?

The rumor was about Carthage.  There was some D2-related website with a message board (kind of like this one) where that was being speculated.

Perhaps it was this site or this site.