MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

[CCIWchamps]

I see the outcome of the Wheaton game.  That's not good!
McCrary held to 12pts and 6 rb's- anyone have insight on what happened with him and the rest of the game?  Wheaton shot 32% from the floor??!

[markerickson]

Carthage's F/C positions are weak, at best.  The CCIW team with the best interior game should be able to post up and dominate Carthage all night long.

NP invited a bunch of elementary aged kids to the game against Carthage, a game where Jorge Gonzalez had six rebounds in fourteen minutes.  Some of these kids sat directly in front of me.  One Hispanic kid remarked, "Wow, Joe is playing a lot tonight."

I'm not sure when the shine was on the apple as a couple of games represents only a fraction of the season.  Losing at the underwhelming Millikin...why am I not surprised?

[usee]

Markerson,
It seems to me IWU has as good an inside game as there is with Sexauer and we saw last night how that worked out so I'm not so sure your assessment is universally applicable.

[mwunder]

Carthage's F/C positions are weak, at best.  The CCIW team with the best interior game should be able to post up and dominate Carthage all night long.

Moronic assessment at best.

[AndOne]

*If Carthage is weak, how is it that they are in 1st place?

*Did Ron Rose screw up by not playing The Student Body more against the inside beef of Pierce and Guzman?

*I wonder at what point Bosko felt safe to insert the 7 scrubs who played a total of 16 whole minutes?

*A Luke Radliff sighting?

*All you would have to know to tell you Wesleyan lost was to know Cody Hilton had 15 points.

[OurHouse]

*Did Ron Rose screw up by not playing The Student Body more against the inside beef of Pierce and Guzman?

[/quote]

* No game plan
* Plays his favorites way too many minutes w/no results ie; Zimmer, Sexhauer, Kosnicki, O'callahn (however you spell their names) I said this would eventually "bite the bitch"
* No adjustment in no game plan
* Out coached (Redman coach is awesome)
* Waits toooooooo long to attempt an adjustment (from video, it looked like this coach should of subed 2 minutes into the game)

Wow

MMW'ds

[Titan Q]

Last night was a big night in the league.  Not only did a two-team tie for 1st place get broken, but we saw the first two wins by teams from the bottom 3 over teams from the top 5 (Millikin over North Park, North Central over Wheaton).  The Carthage/IWU game was very significant in terms of the title race, but I believe the NPU and Wheaton losses were just as big in the grand scheme of the conference tournament field.

This is the schedule each team has left:

Carthage (7-1) – @ WC, vs AC, @ EC, vs NCC, vs NPU, @ MU
Ill. Wesleyan (6-2) – vs NCC, vs EC, @ MU, vs WC, @ AC, @ NPU
Augustana (5-3) - @ NPU, @ CC, vs WC, vs MU, vs IWU, vs NCC
Wheaton (5-3) – vs CC, vs NPU, @ AC, @ IWU, vs MU, @ EC
North Park (4-4) – vs AC, @ WC, vs NCC, @ EC, @ CC, vs IWU
North Central (3-5) - @ IWU, vs MU, @ NPU, @ CC, vs EC, @ AC
Millikin (2-6) - @ EC, @ NCC, vs IWU, @ AC, @ WC, vs CC
Elmhurst (0-8) – vs MU, @ IWU, vs CC, vs NPU, @ NCC, vs WC

Random thoughts...

• As I posted last night, I really think Carthage is going to run the table and finish 13-1.  Wheaton is certainly capable of beating Carthage this week at King Arena, but I just don't see that happening.  And since Carthage won @ Augie, I can't see Augie winning in Kenosha...same for North Park.  Carthage is playing very well right now, and their young guys seems to be getting better.
 
• If the Titans can dust themselves off from last night's dismantling, they'll see they're still in pretty good shape in terms of finishing 2nd, and hanging around should Carthage get tripped up.  The Titans two losses are @ Wheaton and @ Carthage (certainly not "bad"), and they've won all of the other games they should have won.  IWU hosts North Central and Elmhurst this week - both are must wins.  IWU's win over Carthage could end up significant in terms of a 2nd/3rd/4th place tie-breaker.
 
• Augustana is very quietly hanging around in the race for 2nd (I don't think they have much chance to win it though).  Note, the Vikings only have two road games left – they finish with 4 consecutive at Carver.
 
• Wheaton's loss last night @ NCC was really big.  The Thunder now have 3 losses and still have to play  Carthage at home, North Park at home, and travel to Augie and IWU.  

• North Park's loss at Millikin was equally as big.  Instead of being in the 5-3 tie with Augie and Wheaton, the Vikings are now a game back of the #4 spot.  NPU has a big "must win" home game Wednesday vs Augustana.

• North Central/Millikin/Elmhurst – all the sudden, NCC is only one game out of 5th...the Cards are dangerous and will continue to make teams work.  Millikin's defense will probably challenge both IWU and Carthage at the Griswold.  Elmhurst needs to get Millikin at home Wednesday...otherwise a shutout becomes very possible.

[AndOne]

Much of the success North Central had last year was attributable to impressive defense.
Last night in Naperville, the Cardinals went one better. Applying likely their best defensive pressure of the year, they smothered the Wheaton Thunder and turned their southern crusade into a display of ineptitude and frustration. This was especially manifested in the opening stanza of play, during which the creamsickle clad Thunder's shooting could have easily been surpassed by that of their Wheaton North farm team. As the buzzer ending the 1st 20 minutes of play sounded, Wheaton had sunk 6 of 27 field goal attempts for a ridiculously low 22.2 percent. Tim McCrary led the Thunder with 8 points. In the 2nd half, the Cards shut down everyone except for Ben Panner who scored 19 of his 21 points. Even with Panner's great 2nd half, the Thunder was only able to raise its shooting percentage for the game to 32.1 percent. Leading scorer Tim McCrary was held to 12 points on 5 of 12 shooting. And, despite his league leading rebounding total, the 6'6" McCrary was no match on the boards for either North Central's 6'3" Brian Evans who had a game high 12 boards, or 6'3" David Twyman who pulled down 8 to go along with his 21 points which tied Panner for game high. McCrary fouled out of the contest with about 4 minutes left greatly increasing the odds against a successful Wheaton comeback.

After Wheaton opened the scoring, the Cardinals ripped off 13 straight points, highlighted by Reid Barringer's 3 straight threes. NCC carried a 13 point lead into the locker room at the half. Wheaton's opening basket was the only lead they would hold over the course of the entire evening.

For the game, North Central was led by David Twyman with 21 and 8. Barringer was next with 16. Leading scorer Derek Raridon was limited to 12 points. Brian Evans had 6 points, all in the 2nd half, and dominated on the glass with a game high 12 rebounds, 5 offensive. Evans is the CCIW leader in offensive rebounding. Jonny Knapczyk played a nice floor game and dished out 5 assists against only 1 TO. Knapczyk also cashed in on 2 big free throws with only 30 seconds left to increase the Cardinal lead to 4.     

   

[CCIWchamps]

Much of the success North Central had last year was attributable to impressive defense.
Last night in Naperville, the Cardinals went one better. Applying likely their best defensive pressure of the year, they smothered the Wheaton Thunder and turned their southern crusade into a display of ineptitude and frustration. This was especially manifested in the opening stanza of play, during which the creamsickle clad Thunder's shooting could have easily been surpassed by that of their Wheaton North farm team. As the buzzer ending the 1st 20 minutes of play sounded, Wheaton had sunk 6 of 27 field goal attempts for a ridiculously low 22.2 percent. Tim McCrary led the Thunder with 8 points. In the 2nd half, the Cards shut down everyone except for Ben Panner who scored 19 of his 21 points. Even with Panner's great 2nd half, the Thunder was only able to raise its shooting percentage for the game to 32.1 percent. Leading scorer Tim McCrary was held to 12 points on 5 of 12 shooting. And, despite his league leading rebounding total, the 6'6" McCrary was no match on the boards for either North Central's 6'3" Brian Evans who had a game high 12 boards, or 6'3" David Twyman who pulled down 8 to go along with his 21 points which tied Panner for game high. McCrary fouled out of the contest with about 4 minutes left greatly increasing the odds against a successful Wheaton comeback.

After Wheaton opened the scoring, the Cardinals ripped off 13 straight points, highlighted by Reid Barringer's 3 straight threes. NCC carried a 13 point lead into the locker room at the half. Wheaton's opening basket was the only lead they would hold over the course of the entire evening.

For the game, North Central was led by David Twyman with 21 and 8. Barringer was next with 16. Leading scorer Derek Raridon was limited to 12 points. Brian Evans had 6 points, all in the 2nd half, and dominated on the glass with a game high 12 rebounds, 5 offensive. Evans is the CCIW leader in offensive rebounding. Jonny Knapczyk played a nice floor game and dished out 5 assists against only 1 TO. Knapczyk also cashed in on 2 big free throws with only 30 seconds left to increase the Cardinal lead to 4.     

   

Yeesh.  Glad to have missed it.  Thanks for the recap.  Now they need the game on Wednesday.

[Red.Men1]

Carthage's F/C positions are weak, at best.  The CCIW team with the best interior game should be able to post up and dominate Carthage all night long.

NP invited a bunch of elementary aged kids to the game against Carthage, a game where Jorge Gonzalez had six rebounds in fourteen minutes.  Some of these kids sat directly in front of me.  One Hispanic kid remarked, "Wow, Joe is playing a lot tonight."

I'm not sure when the shine was on the apple as a couple of games represents only a fraction of the season.  Losing at the underwhelming Millikin...why am I not surprised?

Probably should have just let this one go..but I'm going to respond anyways.

1) Whether or not you call Carthage's F/C positions weak you should also consider that they are freshmen. Pierce has made drastic improvements in his inside game (as well as his free throw shooting) since the beginning of the season.
2) Which CCIW team has the best interior? And considering the Red Men have defeated each of the teams so far (with their "weak at best" F/Cs), when does the domination start? (So I can know not to cue up these games online )

[AndOne]

Much of the success North Central had last year was attributable to impressive defense.
Last night in Naperville, the Cardinals went one better. Applying likely their best defensive pressure of the year, they smothered the Wheaton Thunder and turned their southern crusade into a display of ineptitude and frustration. This was especially manifested in the opening stanza of play, during which the creamsickle clad Thunder's shooting could have easily been surpassed by that of their Wheaton North farm team. As the buzzer ending the 1st 20 minutes of play sounded, Wheaton had sunk 6 of 27 field goal attempts for a ridiculously low 22.2 percent. Tim McCrary led the Thunder with 8 points. In the 2nd half, the Cards shut down everyone except for Ben Panner who scored 19 of his 21 points. Even with Panner's great 2nd half, the Thunder was only able to raise its shooting percentage for the game to 32.1 percent. Leading scorer Tim McCrary was held to 12 points on 5 of 12 shooting. And, despite his league leading rebounding total, the 6'6" McCrary was no match on the boards for either North Central's 6'3" Brian Evans who had a game high 12 boards, or 6'3" David Twyman who pulled down 8 to go along with his 21 points which tied Panner for game high. McCrary fouled out of the contest with about 4 minutes left greatly increasing the odds against a successful Wheaton comeback.

After Wheaton opened the scoring, the Cardinals ripped off 13 straight points, highlighted by Reid Barringer's 3 straight threes. NCC carried a 13 point lead into the locker room at the half. Wheaton's opening basket was the only lead they would hold over the course of the entire evening.

For the game, North Central was led by David Twyman with 21 and 8. Barringer was next with 16. Leading scorer Derek Raridon was limited to 12 points. Brian Evans had 6 points, all in the 2nd half, and dominated on the glass with a game high 12 rebounds, 5 offensive. Evans is the CCIW leader in offensive rebounding. Jonny Knapczyk played a nice floor game and dished out 5 assists against only 1 TO. Knapczyk also cashed in on 2 big free throws with only 30 seconds left to increase the Cardinal lead to 4.     

   

Yeesh.  Glad to have missed it.  Thanks for the recap.  Now they need the game on Wednesday.

You are welcome CCIW. However, apparently 2 of our classy fellow posters didn't care for my description.   

[theseguysaregood]

*Did Ron Rose screw up by not playing The Student Body more against the inside beef of Pierce and Guzman?

* No game plan
* Plays his favorites way too many minutes w/no results ie; Zimmer, Sexhauer, Kosnicki, O'callahn (however you spell their names) I said this would eventually "bite the bitch"
* No adjustment in no game plan
* Out coached (Redman coach is awesome)
* Waits toooooooo long to attempt an adjustment (from video, it looked like this coach should of subed 2 minutes into the game)

Wow

MMW'ds
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Video??  House wasn't that you behind Wesleyan's bench seeing things first hand? 

[usee]

Much of the success North Central had last year was attributable to impressive defense.
Last night in Naperville, the Cardinals went one better. Applying likely their best defensive pressure of the year, they smothered the Wheaton Thunder and turned their southern crusade into a display of ineptitude and frustration. This was especially manifested in the opening stanza of play, during which the creamsickle clad Thunder's shooting could have easily been surpassed by that of their Wheaton North farm team. As the buzzer ending the 1st 20 minutes of play sounded, Wheaton had sunk 6 of 27 field goal attempts for a ridiculously low 22.2 percent. Tim McCrary led the Thunder with 8 points. In the 2nd half, the Cards shut down everyone except for Ben Panner who scored 19 of his 21 points. Even with Panner's great 2nd half, the Thunder was only able to raise its shooting percentage for the game to 32.1 percent. Leading scorer Tim McCrary was held to 12 points on 5 of 12 shooting. And, despite his league leading rebounding total, the 6'6" McCrary was no match on the boards for either North Central's 6'3" Brian Evans who had a game high 12 boards, or 6'3" David Twyman who pulled down 8 to go along with his 21 points which tied Panner for game high. McCrary fouled out of the contest with about 4 minutes left greatly increasing the odds against a successful Wheaton comeback.

After Wheaton opened the scoring, the Cardinals ripped off 13 straight points, highlighted by Reid Barringer's 3 straight threes. NCC carried a 13 point lead into the locker room at the half. Wheaton's opening basket was the only lead they would hold over the course of the entire evening.

For the game, North Central was led by David Twyman with 21 and 8. Barringer was next with 16. Leading scorer Derek Raridon was limited to 12 points. Brian Evans had 6 points, all in the 2nd half, and dominated on the glass with a game high 12 rebounds, 5 offensive. Evans is the CCIW leader in offensive rebounding. Jonny Knapczyk played a nice floor game and dished out 5 assists against only 1 TO. Knapczyk also cashed in on 2 big free throws with only 30 seconds left to increase the Cardinal lead to 4.     

   

Yeesh.  Glad to have missed it.  Thanks for the recap.  Now they need the game on Wednesday.

You are welcome CCIW. However, apparently 2 of our classy fellow posters didn't care for my description.   

AO,
I certainly didn't give you the negative karma from your description but it isnt hard to see why you got it. You color your commentary with cardinal red pretty heavily. Obviously the Cards played some good defense but Wheaton out rebounded the Cardinal 41-34 and the leading offensive rebounder was Spencer Shultze from Wheaton, not your Brian Evans but you failed to recognize that either. So if evans "Dominated" the glass how did Spencer Shultze get more offensive rebounds and the Thunder get more total rebounds? I didn't see the game nor was I online to watch the stats so haven't made any comments but your commentary (smothered, ineptitude? surpassed by a hs team?? and you really think McCrary is "no match" for evans and twyman?)was borderline gloating in my opinion. something you are entitled to do but should expect some on here to respond.

[CCIWchamps]

Much of the success North Central had last year was attributable to impressive defense.
Last night in Naperville, the Cardinals went one better. Applying likely their best defensive pressure of the year, they smothered the Wheaton Thunder and turned their southern crusade into a display of ineptitude and frustration. This was especially manifested in the opening stanza of play, during which the creamsickle clad Thunder's shooting could have easily been surpassed by that of their Wheaton North farm team. As the buzzer ending the 1st 20 minutes of play sounded, Wheaton had sunk 6 of 27 field goal attempts for a ridiculously low 22.2 percent. Tim McCrary led the Thunder with 8 points. In the 2nd half, the Cards shut down everyone except for Ben Panner who scored 19 of his 21 points. Even with Panner's great 2nd half, the Thunder was only able to raise its shooting percentage for the game to 32.1 percent. Leading scorer Tim McCrary was held to 12 points on 5 of 12 shooting. And, despite his league leading rebounding total, the 6'6" McCrary was no match on the boards for either North Central's 6'3" Brian Evans who had a game high 12 boards, or 6'3" David Twyman who pulled down 8 to go along with his 21 points which tied Panner for game high. McCrary fouled out of the contest with about 4 minutes left greatly increasing the odds against a successful Wheaton comeback.

After Wheaton opened the scoring, the Cardinals ripped off 13 straight points, highlighted by Reid Barringer's 3 straight threes. NCC carried a 13 point lead into the locker room at the half. Wheaton's opening basket was the only lead they would hold over the course of the entire evening.

For the game, North Central was led by David Twyman with 21 and 8. Barringer was next with 16. Leading scorer Derek Raridon was limited to 12 points. Brian Evans had 6 points, all in the 2nd half, and dominated on the glass with a game high 12 rebounds, 5 offensive. Evans is the CCIW leader in offensive rebounding. Jonny Knapczyk played a nice floor game and dished out 5 assists against only 1 TO. Knapczyk also cashed in on 2 big free throws with only 30 seconds left to increase the Cardinal lead to 4.     

   

Yeesh.  Glad to have missed it.  Thanks for the recap.  Now they need the game on Wednesday.

You are welcome CCIW. However, apparently 2 of our classy fellow posters didn't care for my description.   

AO,
I certainly didn't give you the negative karma from your description but it isnt hard to see why you got it. You color your commentary with cardinal red pretty heavily. Obviously the Cards played some good defense but Wheaton out rebounded the Cardinal 41-34 and the leading offensive rebounder was Spencer Shultze from Wheaton, not your Brian Evans but you failed to recognize that either. So if evans "Dominated" the glass how did Spencer Shultze get more offensive rebounds and the Thunder get more total rebounds? I didn't see the game nor was I online to watch the stats so haven't made any comments but your commentary (smothered, ineptitude? surpassed by a hs team?? and you really think McCrary is "no match" for evans and twyman?)was borderline gloating in my opinion. something you are entitled to do but should expect some on here to respond.

Well if a "dominating" game as described led to a 2 point win at home, I say let him have his moment.  I appreciate the candid recap.  Besides, seeing Schauer's reactions makes me think that the game might have been as bad as he described.  Besides, maybe this will fire the Thunder up a bit.  Playing at NCC last year sure seemed to be a pivotal event last year as well. 

[Titan Q]

Knightslappy has been doing some really good Pool C projection work on the Pool C board.  Here are his latest numbers through today's games...

http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?topic=4232.2520

If the season ended today - with Carthage as our Pool A team - he has IWU as the #4 Pool C team in (there are 19 Pool C bids this year...one more last year year).  Wheaton is Pool C #26 and Augustana #51.

Carthage's .6498 RPI is the 5th highest in the country...IWU's .6170 is 13th.  After that, Wheaton's .5829 is #48 and Augie's .5617 is #85.  

His numbers indicate that the CCIW really only has two legitimate Pool C candidates at this point - Carthage and IWU.  My take is that the Titans can lose one more CCIW regular season game (finishing 11-3) and then lose in the CCIW conference tournament and be virtually a lock to get in.  With two more regular season CCIW losses the rest of the way (10-4), and then a loss in the conference tournament, IWU would be on the bubble.

Remember, Knightslappy's RPI calculation is not actually used by the NCAA Division III selection committee...but it does incorporate in-region winning %, OWP, and OOWP, which are part of the primary criteria.  Last year, similar calculation  by the late Patrick Abegg was a good predictor of the Pool C bids.  See my 1/26/10, 8:56pm post for specifics:

http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?topic=4232.2490