MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

[AO]

Good article in the Racine Journal Times about Steve D. and the Red Men. Several quotes from Steve, Bosko, teammates, and Wheaton's coach. 

http://www.journaltimes.com/sports/basketball/article_287bbcfa-19fa-11df-bcd4-001cc4c03286.html

I particularly liked the accompanying picture of Steve D. about to sideswipe a falling-backwards Colby Long of Millikin on a layup attempt. I bet that I can even pinpoint the moment of the game at which this pic was taken: At 14:22 of the second half in the MU @ CC contest on January 23, Long fouled Djurickovic, who was taking the ball coast-to-coast after rebounding a Long miss at the other end, and Djurickovic made both free throws. One almost feels sorry for the Big Blue freshman.

the kid got robbed.  clearly all ball.

[Dennis_Prikkel]

Good article in the Racine Journal Times about Steve D. and the Red Men. Several quotes from Steve, Bosko, teammates, and Wheaton's coach. 

http://www.journaltimes.com/sports/basketball/article_287bbcfa-19fa-11df-bcd4-001cc4c03286.html

I particularly liked the accompanying picture of Steve D. about to sideswipe a falling-backwards Colby Long of Millikin on a layup attempt. I bet that I can even pinpoint the moment of the game at which this pic was taken: At 14:22 of the second half in the MU @ CC contest on January 23, Long fouled Djurickovic, who was taking the ball coast-to-coast after rebounding a Long miss at the other end, and Djurickovic made both free throws. One almost feels sorry for the Big Blue freshman.

the kid got robbed.  clearly all ball.

this guy's got karma problems that not even I could help - 

[CCIWchamps]

Usee--

1. I acknowledged that Ben is an outstanding player.
2. I know stats aren't the only measure of all-conference status
3. Any possibility Johnson's going scoreless was a product of anything other than Panner's defense? An off night? Illness?
4. I think stats DO mean something and that David Twyman is a slightly better overall player.
5. There may not be any additional value in a dunk other than the 2 points one counts for. I mentioned them only as evidence of Twyman's quickness, explosiveness, and overall athleticism. Some of the characteristics of an  all-conference player.
6. If you think all conference selection isn't at least partially affected by where your team finishes then your eyes aren't fully opened. This is a historical fact. If you don't believe me, ask Titan Q or Greg Sager or anyone else who has been on here for a while and is very familiar with the conference.
7. You come on here acting like like you have all the answers, but you can't express them without resorting to name calling. I don't think you'll find me calling YOU ignorant. I thought the whole purpose of D3Hoops was to express ideas and exchange information about D3 basketball in general and the CCIW in particular here.
Sure, there is going to be some boosting of the team you root for. The problem is that if someone criticizes a Wheaton player or team in the slightest fashion that doesn't suggest that they are almost able to walk on water, you get bent out of shape enough to call them "ignorant." Well, for your information, I am entitled to my opinion just as much as you are. The stats I referenced are, at least, partial documentation that my position has merit, and is not just based on personal opinion such as is one of your primary methods of operation. You know you can get away with it because there are other posters on here that root for the same team and will support you as opposed to my basically being the only poster for the team I follow.
8. Having said that, I won't be at all surprised that Panner receives more all-conference votes that Twyman even if they maintain their current standings in the statistical areas I mentioned over the last 2 games. Why? Primarily because Panner is a scorer (which i think still carries the most weight in the voting) and because Wheaton will finish above NCC--even though they did split the season series.
Ben Panner is an outstanding all-conference player who anyone would love to have on their team. I just don't think he merits more votes that David Twyman.

I'm just trying to promote my player as you are and should be yours. The difference is I am able to do it without calling you "ignorant.," You glaringly demonstrate the very behavior you criticize in others. Maybe not ignorant, but highly hypocritical.

**Anyone else reading this who isn't one of Usee's buddies agree/disagree with using language such as "ignorant" to describe another poster who took another position and gave supporting documentation of his position?

I don't consider myself to be a buddy of Usee, so I feel fine answering your question: "ignorant" seems a little harsh, but your original tone seemed to be heavy handed, or at least ending with a heavy thud when you said "the only thing that could put Panner above Twyer is team record" after a long, stat dissection.  So it sounded like the appropriate tone of response for your bias-based post. 

Trust me, that's how it works around here.  If you are biased, just expect to it to be acknowledged.  Granted that is the purpose of a chat board- we all have our favorites.  But if you're coming here for pats on the back for being pro-your team, it won't happen.  And if it is supposed to happen that way, I think I'm owed LOTS and LOTS of pats. 

In other words, I think he was responding to your post by calling your bias "ignorance."  Not regular ignorance.  Just "ignoring of facts."  Other than your sign off about standings (mentioned above), I think you had a fair post.  Just cut the ending and leave it to the supporting facts.


By the way, Panner is a complete player, leader, defender, and scorer.  It is oversimplifying to say he's only a scorer and 3 pt shooter.

[Dennis_Prikkel]

Usee--

1. I acknowledged that Ben is an outstanding player.
2. I know stats aren't the only measure of all-conference status
3. Any possibility Johnson's going scoreless was a product of anything other than Panner's defense? An off night? Illness?
4. I think stats DO mean something and that David Twyman is a slightly better overall player.
5. There may not be any additional value in a dunk other than the 2 points one counts for. I mentioned them only as evidence of Twyman's quickness, explosiveness, and overall athleticism. Some of the characteristics of an  all-conference player.
6. If you think all conference selection isn't at least partially affected by where your team finishes then your eyes aren't fully opened. This is a historical fact. If you don't believe me, ask Titan Q or Greg Sager or anyone else who has been on here for a while and is very familiar with the conference.
7. You come on here acting like like you have all the answers, but you can't express them without resorting to name calling. I don't think you'll find me calling YOU ignorant. I thought the whole purpose of D3Hoops was to express ideas and exchange information about D3 basketball in general and the CCIW in particular here.
Sure, there is going to be some boosting of the team you root for. The problem is that if someone criticizes a Wheaton player or team in the slightest fashion that doesn't suggest that they are almost able to walk on water, you get bent out of shape enough to call them "ignorant." Well, for your information, I am entitled to my opinion just as much as you are. The stats I referenced are, at least, partial documentation that my position has merit, and is not just based on personal opinion such as is one of your primary methods of operation. You know you can get away with it because there are other posters on here that root for the same team and will support you as opposed to my basically being the only poster for the team I follow.
8. Having said that, I won't be at all surprised that Panner receives more all-conference votes that Twyman even if they maintain their current standings in the statistical areas I mentioned over the last 2 games. Why? Primarily because Panner is a scorer (which i think still carries the most weight in the voting) and because Wheaton will finish above NCC--even though they did split the season series.
Ben Panner is an outstanding all-conference player who anyone would love to have on their team. I just don't think he merits more votes that David Twyman.

I'm just trying to promote my player as you are and should be yours. The difference is I am able to do it without calling you "ignorant.," You glaringly demonstrate the very behavior you criticize in others. Maybe not ignorant, but highly hypocritical.

**Anyone else reading this who isn't one of Usee's buddies agree/disagree with using language such as "ignorant" to describe another poster who took another position and gave supporting documentation of his position?

I don't consider myself to be a buddy of Usee, so I feel fine answering your question: "ignorant" seems a little harsh, but your original tone seemed to be heavy handed, or at least ending with a heavy thud when you said "the only thing that could put Panner above Twyer is team record" after a long, stat dissection.  So it sounded like the appropriate tone of response for your bias-based post. 

Trust me, that's how it works around here.  If you are biased, just expect to it to be acknowledged.  Granted that is the purpose of a chat board- we all have our favorites.  But if you're coming here for pats on the back for being pro-your team, it won't happen.  And if it is supposed to happen that way, I think I'm owed LOTS and LOTS of pats. 

In other words, I think he was responding to your post by calling your bias "ignorance."  Not regular ignorance.  Just "ignoring of facts."  Other than your sign off about standings (mentioned above), I think you had a fair post.  Just cut the ending and leave it to the supporting facts.


By the way, Panner is a complete player, leader, defender, and scorer.  It is oversimplifying to say he's only a scorer and 3 pt shooter.

OY - the horse is dead, stop beating it - okay.

[CCIWFAN3]

Gee...Dennis ya think:)  Thank you for stating that!  Remember the rules...now you have to change the topic yourself.  That's what G.S. always tells me:)

[Dennis_Prikkel]

Gee...Dennis ya think:)  Thank you for stating that!  Remember the rules...now you have to change the topic yourself.  That's what G.S. always tells me:)

Okay - who gets in the NCAA tournament?

if carthage wins the league and not the CCIW tournament, do they get in?

if carthage and IWU tie for the league, and neither wins the CCIW tournament, do they get in?

What are the pool C chances of IWU & carthage, versus anyone else in the region?

Does Carthage host if they win the league & the CCIW tournament?

[CCIWFAN3]

1 - Carthage and ...one other CCIW team?
2 - Yes
3 - Only Carthage, but there won't be a tie
4 - Good
5 - Yes

[iwumichigander]

Gee...Dennis ya think:)  Thank you for stating that!  Remember the rules...now you have to change the topic yourself.  That's what G.S. always tells me:)

Okay - who gets in the NCAA tournament?

if carthage wins the league and not the CCIW tournament, do they get in?

Yes

if carthage and IWU tie for the league, and neither wins the CCIW tournament, do they get in?

Tie not likely; if neither wins CCIW Tournament, Carthage gets in; IWU would be on the bubble

What are the pool C chances of IWU & carthage, versus anyone else in the region?

Within CCIW - I think Wheaton or Auggie need the AQ to get in;IWU , without the AQ, would be on bubble with another loss and out with two more losses
Within Region - it still a little early to predict

Does Carthage host if they win the league & the CCIW tournament?

Carthage likely hosts 1st round;

Barring a loss in tournament, I think Wash U the likely Sectional Site;

[tyler durden]

From today's Kenosha News ...

http://www.kenoshanews.com/sports/red_men_eye_share_of_cciw_7361491.html

[Gregory Sager]

Okay - who gets in the NCAA tournament?

if carthage wins the league and not the CCIW tournament, do they get in?

Yes

Carthage has a regional record of 14-3 (.824). Using the general rule of thumb that a .750 regional winning percentage will get you a Pool C berth -- particularly since Pool C has expanded to nineteen berths in this season's 61-team field -- the only way that the Red Men would be excluded from the tournament is if they lose tonight at home to NPU and on Saturday at Millikin, and then again in the CCIW tournament (and even then they'd be no worse than a bubble team). For Carthage to lose its last two CCIW games and end up 10-4 and still win a share of the CCIW title is extremely remote.

In short, a win either tonight or on Saturday gives Carthage a share of the CCIW crown, hosting rights for the CCIW tourney, and a fairly certain Pool C bid.

if carthage and IWU tie for the league, and neither wins the CCIW tournament, do they get in?

Tie not likely; if neither wins CCIW Tournament, Carthage gets in; IWU would be on the bubble

A tie might happen if IWU wins its last two and Carthage gets upset by either NPU or Millikin, but, yeah, if this week goes according to form it's not likely that Carthage will have to share the CCIW title with Wesleyan, or anybody else for that matter. We've covered Carthage; now here's where IWU is at: The Titans are 17-5 (.773) in regional play. A loss either at Augie tonight or at NPU on Saturday, plus a loss in the CCIW tourney, would leave the Titans either 18-7 (.720) or 19-7 (.731) in regional play, depending upon whether they were to lose in the CCIW semis or the CCIW finals. Either one is bubble territory. Two road wins this week pretty much guarantee the Titans a Pool C berth at minimum (if they don't actually go ahead and win the Pool A berth by taking the CCIW tourney championship), but if you're a Titans fan and you know ahead of time that you'll only be able to beat one flavor of Viking this week, you want the team you beat to be Augie. Why? Because Augie has a chance to win the Pool A bid by taking the CCIW tourney title, and if the Doggies can do that they'll be regionally ranked on Selection Sunday -- and IWU will be, at worst, 2-1 head-to-head against Grey's boys.

What are the pool C chances of IWU & carthage, versus anyone else in the region?

Within CCIW - I think Wheaton or Auggie need the AQ to get in;IWU , without the AQ, would be on bubble with another loss and out with two more losses
Within Region - it still a little early to predict

The way to track the Pool C chances of the various CCIW teams vis-a-vis the rest of the region is by looking at the Midwest Region regional rankings. The third edition was just released this afternoon:

Midwest Region In-Region Record Overall Record
1. Washington U. 17-2 20-2
2. Carthage 14-3 18-5
3. St. Norbert 19-2 20-2
4. Wheaton (Ill.) 15-7 16-7
5. Illinois Wesleyan 17-5 18-5
6. Anderson 18-3 20-3
7. Defiance 16-5 18-5
8. Augustana 15-7 15-8

The only teams listed among the eight that are not currently leading their respective leagues -- in other words, the likely Pool C candidates -- are all CCIW teams: Wheaton, IWU, and Augie, except for the HCAC's Defiance. Aside from the Yellow Jackets, there is currently no outside competition within the region to "get to the table" in the Pool C discussion among the committee on Selection Sunday. Obviously, Wheaton would get to the table first if today was Selection Sunday, but that may very well change between now and then. IWU's regional record is better, which may help the Titans move ahead of Wheaton in the long run if Wheaton incurs another loss, in spite of Wheaton's sweep of the Titans.

Of course, this is all moot if none of the CCIW candidates has the credentials within the five primary criteria to warrant a Pool C bid. You can get to the table as early as you like on Selection Sunday, but if you don't have the goods you're going to stay on the table while team after team from other regions grab those Pool C slots.

Does Carthage host if they win the league & the CCIW tournament?

Carthage likely hosts 1st round;

Barring a loss in tournament, I think Wash U the likely Sectional Site;

Carthage will almost certainly host a pod, or a quad, or whatever term tickles your fancy to describe the opening weekend's first- and second-round games. But the Red Men's chances of hosting a sectional are surprisingly good. They have a chance to enter the second weekend of the tourney with very fine credentials, should they make it that far; they're currently ranked second in the region, and they would likely still be that high if they were one of the surviving sixteen teams. More to the point, Kenosha is a more central location than St. Louis for picking up Minnesota schools within a 500-mile radius (MIAC powerhouse St. Thomas is located outside of the 500-mile limit from Wash U's campus), which could become a decisive advantage for Carthage over Wash U. The Toolshed is a first-rate D3 arena that is more than capable of putting on a good sectional. Lastly, it might not even come down to Carthage vs. Wash U, as one or the other, or both, could be moved elsewhere; Carthage could get paired up with the MIAA and HCAC schools in a Great Lakes-oriented bracket (which is what happened to the Red Men in '01), Wash U could get paired up with those schools or paired up with South Region schools, etc.

A bigger fly in the ointment for Carthage's chances to host a sectional than Wash U might be UW-Whitewater, which beat the Red Men head-to-head this season.

[AndOne]

Related to the Twyman vs. Panner discussion of the past couple of days, I think that the most interesting CCIW stat this season is the one at the very bottom of the stats page on the league's website:

MINUTES PLAYED

##	Player-Team	G	Min	Min/G
1.	Raridon, Derek-NCC	12	458	38.17
2.	Djurickovic, Steve-CARTHAGE	12	442	36.83
3.	Barringer, Reid-NCC	12	436	36.33
4.	McCrary, Tim-WHEATON	12	429	35.75
5.	Panner, Ben-WHEATON	12	425	35.42
6.	Jahns, Andrew-WHEATON	12	412	34.33
7.	Evans, Brian-NCC	12	401	33.42
8.	Knapczyk, Jon-NCC	11	365	33.18
9.	Twyman, David-NCC	12	393	32.75

Of the nine players who've logged the heaviest workload in the league this season (including Jon Knapczyk, who's now presumably done for the season), eight of them play for either Wheaton or NCC. (It's no surprise that the odd man out is Steve Djurickovic; when you have Secretariat in your stable, you don't pick and choose your races and leave him in the barn on occasion.) The Sonic Atmospheric Disturbance and the Cardinals are two very thin teams, but they're two different kinds of thin.

North Central's thin in terms of bodies. Near as I can tell, Todd Raridon currently has thirteen active players. That should be enough for both practices and games under normal circumstances, of course, but what's interesting is that Raridon hasn't done what most coaches would do with such an attenuated roster: Cancel the remainder of the JV season. (At least, he hadn't as of last Wednesday night.) Around half of those thirteen are underclassmen who really aren't ready for CCIW varsity play yet, so Raridon has made it a point to keep getting them game experience via junior varsity games. Thing is, what that means is that he's had to play some of his second-string varsity players on the JV, which as far as I know is unprecented. At least, I don't think I've ever seen anything like it in the CCIW. After Knapczyk got hurt last Wednesday, Raridon put in Kevin Gillespie, who ran the point for NCC for the remaining eleven-plus minutes of the game at North Park. And Gillespie had started for the Cardinals JV team earlier that night! Gillespie seems to have stepped into Knapczyk's workhorse role for NCC, as he played 38 of the forty available minutes in North Central's near-upset of Carthage on Saturday (and did a good job, if the line score is any indication). He and two others among the eight Cardinals who played in Saturday's game, Tyler Bantz and Mike Winans, have spent most of the year on the JV team. In fact, Bantz played twenty of the 27 varsity minutes he's logged all season on Saturday night.

Given the risk of injury in a JV game, Raridon is really dancing on the edge of the volcano as far as his paper-thin roster is concerned. But you have to respect his dedication to player development.

Mike Schauer's situation is different. He's got plenty of bodies; he just doesn't have a lot of them that he feels comfortable using in a CCIW varsity game. Given his candid assessment of their talents earlier this season, I'm sure that Schauer must hold his breath every minute that he has members of his JV Lifer Society on the floor. But he's managed to use Eseke, Viars, Kvam, et. al., judiciously and get away with it, and he's been spared serious injury to his roster (Carwell's ribs problem notwithstanding).

Schauer's gotten more out of his thin corps of varsity-capable players at the defensive end of the floor than Raridon has out of his, plus Tim McCrary gives him a weapon in the low post that NCC doesn't really have. I think that both coaches have done a good job of working around the limitations of their teams, but Schauer may have done a great one. His problem is that his team was picked in the preseason poll to finish first, so the fact that Wheaton isn't going to win the league is going to make his inaugural campaign as the Wheaton head coach look less than successful -- when in fact that really isn't the case at all.

It's an interesting league this season. Three teams -- NPU, IWU, and Augie -- have displayed some pretty remarkable depth, while two others -- Wheaton and NCC -- have walked the razor's edge because of a shortage of useful players.

GS (and any interested others)

1. After sustaining a severe head injury vs NPU last Wed, NCC's Jonny Knapczyk was initially taken to Swedish Covenant Hosp in Chicago. He was subsequently admitted to Edward Hosp in Naperville about 7AM Thurs with a subdural hematoma with associated intense head pain and vomiting. He was placed on appropriate medication and kept under observation at Edward for a couple more days. Although now released, he was unfortunately told his basketball season (and thus as a senior, his career) was over befinning with last Saturday's Carthage game. Tonight, on Senior Night at NCC, he will be honored by being included in the starting lineup for the opening tip only. Following the tip, a referee's time out will be called, and he will be substituted for. The classy cooperation of Elmhurst Coaches Scherer, Baines, and Doyle in making this happen is much appreciated.

2. NCC has indeed not canceled its JV season. In fact the NCC and Elmhurst JVs should just be getting underway.

3. After having seen very limited action this season, Kevin Gillespie started for Knapczyk vs Carthage, played almost the entire game as GS stated, and turned in a very credible 9 point performance. Tyler Bantz, who had been averaging big numbers on the JV level including a recent 38 point game, also played well off the bench and contributed 5 points.  

4. Raridon and Schauer have both done fine jobs in light of their available personnel. However, as Wheaton was picked to finish 1st, and will fall short of that, I think it can be reasonably argued that Raridon has done an even better job, given he has neither any height nor and bulk inside. Despite this, NCC's only "bad" loss was to Carthage by 14. And, they did split the season series with the team picked to finish 1st in the conference.    

[AndOne]

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Good article in the Racine Journal Times about Steve D. and the Red Men. Several quotes from Steve, Bosko, teammates, and Wheaton's coach. 

http://www.journaltimes.com/sports/basketball/article_287bbcfa-19fa-11df-bcd4-001cc4c03286.html

I particularly liked the accompanying picture of Steve D. about to sideswipe a falling-backwards Colby Long of Millikin on a layup attempt. I bet that I can even pinpoint the moment of the game at which this pic was taken: At 14:22 of the second half in the MU @ CC contest on January 23, Long fouled Djurickovic, who was taking the ball coast-to-coast after rebounding a Long miss at the other end, and Djurickovic made both free throws. One almost feels sorry for the Big Blue freshman.

the kid got robbed.  clearly all ball.

this guy's got karma problems that not even I could help - 

Please be aware the AO and AndOne are definitely 2 different posters! 

[Titan Q]

Two road wins this week pretty much guarantee the Titans a Pool C berth at minimum (if they don't actually go ahead and win the Pool A berth by taking the CCIW tourney championship), but if you're a Titans fan and you know ahead of time that you'll only be able to beat one flavor of Viking this week, you want the team you beat to be Augie. Why? Because Augie has a chance to win the Pool A bid by taking the CCIW tourney title, and if the Doggies can do that they'll be regionally ranked on Selection Sunday -- and IWU will be, at worst, 2-1 head-to-head against Grey's boys.

Greg, remember, we now have the "once ranked, always ranked" rule.  So because Augie (and Wheaton and IWU for that matter) has already appeared in at least one Midwest regional ranking, they're considered a "ranked team" for purposes of the primary criteria from here on out.

I believe IWU needs 2 more wins (between the final two regular season games and the one guaranteed conference tournament game) to be a safe Pool C candidate.  Another reason the game @ Augustana is so significant tonight is that, with a loss, IWU would be the #4 seed in the CCIW tourney.  So even if the Titans win @ NPU Saturday, getting that second win would have to come vs Carthage, in Kenosha.  Despite being swept by Wheaton already, I'd rather face Wheaton or Augie on a neutral court than Carthage at Tarble.

Big game for IWU tonight...no question. 

[Gregory Sager]

GS (and any interested others)

1. After sustaining a severe head injury vs NPU last Wed, NCC's Jonny Knapczyk was initially taken to Swedish Covenant Hosp in Chicago. He was subsequently admitted to Edward Hosp in Naperville about 7AM Thurs with a subdural hematoma with associated intense head pain and vomiting. He was placed on appropriate medication and kept under observation at Edward for a couple more days. Although now released, he was unfortunately told his basketball season (and thus as a senior, his career) was over befinning with last Saturday's Carthage game. Tonight, on Senior Night at NCC, he will be honored by being included in the starting lineup for the opening tip only. Following the tip, a referee's time out will be called, and he will be substituted for. The classy cooperation of Elmhurst Coaches Scherer, Baines, and Doyle in making this happen is much appreciated.

Having seen what happened to Knapczyk with my own eyes -- a sight I'd just as soon forget -- I knew that there was no way on Earth that he'd play basketball again this season. An identical injury to a former roommate of mine who played for North Park that also resulted in an extended hospital stay ended his career three months early, and NPU has lost not one but two players on the women's basketball team for the season to concussions in 2009-10, so I know that doctors always err on the side of caution where head injuries are concerned. Nevertheless, it's great that Knapczyk will at least be able to participate in that opening tip on Senior Night (and I echo your kudos to Mark Scherer for making that possible), and the important thing is that it appears that Knapczyk will recover.

4. Raridon and Schauer have both done fine jobs in light of their available personnel. However, as Wheaton was picked to finish 1st, and will fall short of that, I think it can be reasonably argued that Raridon has done an even better job, given he has neither any height nor and bulk inside. Despite this, NCC's only "bad" loss was to Carthage by 14. And, they did split the season series with the team picked to finish 1st in the conference.    

... and with that I will step aside and let you and the orange-flavored contingent pick up your cudgels and have at it once again.

Greg, remember, we now have the "once ranked, always ranked" rule.  So because Augie (and Wheaton and IWU for that matter) has already appeared in at least one Midwest regional ranking, they're considered a "ranked team" for purposes of the primary criteria from here on out.

Good point, Bob. I'd forgotten about that new rule.

I believe IWU needs 2 more wins (between the final two regular season games and the one guaranteed conference tournament game) to be a safe Pool C candidate

Sorry, but I don't see a .731 team as a Pool C lock. The Titans would have a reasonably good chance, sure -- especially since they'd be 2-1 on the year against Carthage -- but I've seen too many last weekends in which a ton of dominoes fall and teams that thought they were good bets to get Pool C berths found themselves on the outside looking in.

[Mr. Ypsi]

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Good article in the Racine Journal Times about Steve D. and the Red Men. Several quotes from Steve, Bosko, teammates, and Wheaton's coach. 

http://www.journaltimes.com/sports/basketball/article_287bbcfa-19fa-11df-bcd4-001cc4c03286.html

I particularly liked the accompanying picture of Steve D. about to sideswipe a falling-backwards Colby Long of Millikin on a layup attempt. I bet that I can even pinpoint the moment of the game at which this pic was taken: At 14:22 of the second half in the MU @ CC contest on January 23, Long fouled Djurickovic, who was taking the ball coast-to-coast after rebounding a Long miss at the other end, and Djurickovic made both free throws. One almost feels sorry for the Big Blue freshman.

the kid got robbed.  clearly all ball.

this guy's got karma problems that not even I could help - 

Please be aware the AO and AndOne are definitely 2 different posters! 

In AO's defense (and I DON'T mean AndOne! ), he is apparently the only living potential poster for the UMAC board, so he joins in on the MIAC board.  While I see nothing in particular to complain about him, MIAC posters do not seem to take it well whenever he gloats about a Northwestern (his school) victory over a MIAC team.  Thus his near-record negative karma.

[The only poster I can think of who exceeds him is Touchdown Tommy, a MIAC football poster, who revels in his negative karma, and is offended if anyone gives him +k! ]