MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

[Titan Q]

Bob, what are those metrics you used to calculate possessions per game and points per possession again?  I think it might be useful to use those when comparing playoff teams.

Two steps:

1) Determine estimated possessions per game (from season boxscore)

FGA - Off Reb + T.O. + (.475 x FTA)

2) Run Points per 100 Possessions calculation

(Points/Possessions) x 100 


The same calculation can be done for Opponents Points per Possession to measure defensive efficiency.   

[John Gleich]

Thanks

[RFMichigan]

I've never heard of Albertus Magnus.

I'd love to see Albertus Magnus take on Gustavus Adolphus someday, with the P.A. announcer using Latin instead of English. "Johnson pro duos, quod is mos peto versus perpetro tri-cuspis tendo!"

Show off - 

I've got a papal mass you should listen to and give us a play by play.

Actually, for a "dead" language that's quite impressive.

Thanks for a lol on a Monday. Hilarious!

Bob, what are those metrics you used to calculate possessions per game and points per possession again?  I think it might be useful to use those when comparing playoff teams.

Two steps:

1) Determine estimated possessions per game (from season boxscore)

FGA - Off Reb + T.O. + (.475 x FTA)

2) Run Points per 100 Possessions calculation

(Points/Possessions) x 100 


The same calculation can be done for Opponents Points per Possession to measure defensive efficiency.   

Great. More Latin.

[Titan Q]

http://www.masseyratings.com/rate.php?lg=cb

Massey Ratings for the upper right bracket...

#1 - UW-Stevens Point
#2 - St. Thomas
#7 - Washington U.
#11 - Carthage
#14 - Carleton
#15 - Central
#22 - Illinois Wesleyan
#23 - St. Norbert
#26 - Wheaton
#27 - Texas-Dallas
#39 - Hope
#42 - Anderson
#47 - Mary Hardin-Baylor
#77 - Aurora
#158 - Westminster


Massey has IWU an underdog vs Central, Wheaton a favorite over both Mary Hardin-Baylor and Texas-Dallas, and Carthage a favorite over Aurora but an underdog vs St. Thomas (homecourt advantage not factored in).

[augiefan]

Since I know little about the DIII teams outside of the midwest, I used the Massey ratings as a reference in my NCAA DIII pool picks last year with very unsatisfactory results. I'm not sure what resource to use this year for all of those games out east.

[usee]

It seems like Wheaton got a better draw than IWU (and one could argue Carthage--other than hosting). Any chance Wheaton stayed ahead of IWU in the final rankings? Do we know the seeds for the tourney?

[Titan Q]

It seems like Wheaton got a better draw than IWU (and one could argue Carthage--other than hosting). Any chance Wheaton stayed ahead of IWU in the final rankings? Do we know the seeds for the tourney?

While I think we all feel (know) Wheaton got a better Round 1-2 draw, my guess is that the committee thinks Wheaton has it tough, traveling to Texas (while IWU's short drive to St. Louis is favorable).  In reality, I would love for IWU to have Wheaton's first two games.  I'm sure Mary H-B and Texas-Dallas are good, but they can't be as good as the Central/Wash U combo.

[usee]

I agree with that. I think Central/WashU is as tough a draw as there is in this bracket although Carthage staring down St Thomas is round 2 is no picnic.

I am also guessing that even if Wheaton had won vs the Titans and lost in the title game to Carthage this bracket likely wouldn't be any different.

[Titan Q]

I agree with that. I think Central/WashU is as tough a draw as there is in this bracket although Carthage staring down St Thomas is round 2 is no picnic.

I am also guessing that even if Wheaton had won vs the Titans and lost in the title game to Carthage this bracket likely wouldn't be any different.

It is a tough road, but when you are a Pool C, you take what they give you.  IWU has had so many nasty tournament roads the last decade, I've come to kind of enjoy them.  The Titans have done awfully well in big tournament games over the years.

[Mr. Ypsi]

Yeah, just off the top of my head (don't remember years, except 2001 and 2006) they beat #2 ranked Hanover (AT Hanover), beat #2 ranked WashU (IN StL), in 2006 beat #1 ranked, undefeated Lawrence (was that AT Lawrence or at a WIAC gym?), and in 2001 beat CCIW champ Elmhurst (in Chicago) then beat #1 ranked UC.

All-in-all, I'd prefer an easier schedule, but the bigger they come, the harder they fall!

[usee]

I do think there is something about getting a pool C bid if you are a competitive school from a competitive league. I think you finish your last regulare season game and the uncertainty makes you realize you may have just played your last game. For some teams that is an edge that carries you and allows you to play with even more intensity. Its a theory but I have seen in with wheaton 2 yrs ago in basketball and then in football. I think IWU's most recent Salem team was a pool C. Sometimes that feeling that "its over" is just what a team needs to spark a deep run.   

[CCIWchamps]

It seems like Wheaton got a better draw than IWU (and one could argue Carthage--other than hosting). Any chance Wheaton stayed ahead of IWU in the final rankings? Do we know the seeds for the tourney?

While I think we all feel (know) Wheaton got a better Round 1-2 draw, my guess is that the committee thinks Wheaton has it tough, traveling to Texas (while IWU's short drive to St. Louis is favorable).  In reality, I would love for IWU to have Wheaton's first two games.  I'm sure Mary H-B and Texas-Dallas are good, but they can't be as good as the Central/Wash U combo.

Maybe it's payback for Wheaton getting the bracket it got last year?  A makeup call of sorts?

[usee]

I don't think it was just wheaton that "got" that bracket. As I recall there were several good teams including the eventual National champ. WashU, St Thomas didn't seem to get any "make up call" this year.

[Titan Q]

Maybe it's payback for Wheaton getting the bracket it got last year?  A makeup call of sorts?

Last year's bracket allowed Wheaton to play all home games until the Final Four.  It's tough playing the defending national champions, but in my opinion anytime you get a chance to play a home game for the right to go to Salem, that is not a bad draw.

Here are a few of IWU's pre-Salem roads the last decade.  These are tough...

(rankings are those from the D3hoops.com poll at the time the game was played)

2005-06
Round 1 – (n) vs #17 Carroll (won 81-68)
Round 2 - @ #15 UW-Whitewater (won 76-68)
Round 3 - @ #1 Lawrence (won 63-59)
Round 4 – (n) vs #14 Puget Sound (won 89-81)

2003-04
Round 1 – vs Maryville (won 82-73)
Round 2 - @ #2 Hanover (won 67-77)
Round 3 - @ #4 Wooster (lost 53-58)

2002-03
Round 1 – vs Blackburn (won 79-59)
Round 2 – @ #2 Wash U (won 85-73)
Round 3 – (n) vs #4 Hampden-Sydney (lost 68-76)

2000-01
Round 1 – vs Grinnell (won 132-91)
Round 2 - @ #12 Wartburg (won 65-60)
Round 3 – (n) vs #9 Elmhurst (won 63-60)
Round 4 - @ #1 Chicago (won 77-68)

[CCgrad2004]

This quadrant of the backet is brutal!

http://www.masseyratings.com/rate.php?lg=cb

Massey Ratings for the upper right bracket...

#1 - UW-Stevens Point
#2 - St. Thomas
#7 - Washington U.
#11 - Carthage
#14 - Carleton
#15 - Central
#22 - Illinois Wesleyan
#23 - St. Norbert
#26 - Wheaton
#27 - Texas-Dallas
#39 - Hope
#42 - Anderson
#47 - Mary Hardin-Baylor
#77 - Aurora
#158 - Westminster


Massey has IWU an underdog vs Central, Wheaton a favorite over both Mary Hardin-Baylor and Texas-Dallas, and Carthage a favorite over Aurora but an underdog vs St. Thomas (homecourt advantage not factored in).