MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

[usee]

Wheaton used to have the largest financial endowment in the CCIW. I wonder if that is still the case?

Anyone know offhand what varsity sports have been added and eliminated among CCIW schools in recent years?

I know my alma mater (Carthage) has added a few sports in recent years. Offhand, men's and women's lacrosse come to mind, as well as men's volleyball and women's water polo. No cuts in sports that I can think of for Carthage.

Wheaton does still have the largest endowment of CCIW schools, though it is down 20% or so from the economic down turn.  Someone posted the actual numbers on this board a month or so ago.  I'm sure you'll see the exact details soon...

... and here they are:

school	2009 (in $1,000s)	2008 (in $1,000s)	% change
Wheaton	250,695	321,930	-27.1
Illinois Wesleyan	151,141	182,476	-17.2
Augustana	88,745	110,990	-20.5
Millikin	84,409	88,739	-4.9
North Central	70,462	78,598	-10.4
Elmhurst	70,101	97,938	-28.4
North Park	49,272	60,304	-18.3
Carthage	33,693	43,499	-22.5

Carthage has been the only CCIW school in expansion mode with regard to athletics in recent years. That school's leadership marches to the beat of a different drummer when it comes to athletics expenditures. NPU did add women's rowing, but that was seven years ago.

Coincidentally, this order of schools is a preview of this years final CCIW football standings. 

[usee]

There are some sports that you can't get rid of if you want to stay in the CCIW.  From the CCIW Constitution:

Section 2: Core Sports. In the men's program, every member of the Conference must play every other Conference member in football, basketball and baseball and must participate in the Conference (meet) program of at least five other sports. In the women's program, every member of the Conference must play every other Conference member in volleyball, basketball and softball and must participate in the Conference (meet) program of at least
five other sports.

You can see the entire constitution here:  http://www.cciw.org/pdf/constitution.pdf

Mrs. Matblake must be regining you in big time if this is how you are spending your time. I hope you don't pay for your internet by the minute.

[wheels81]

Wheaton used to have the largest financial endowment in the CCIW. I wonder if that is still the case?

Anyone know offhand what varsity sports have been added and eliminated among CCIW schools in recent years?

I know my alma mater (Carthage) has added a few sports in recent years. Offhand, men's and women's lacrosse come to mind, as well as men's volleyball and women's water polo. No cuts in sports that I can think of for Carthage.

Wheaton does still have the largest endowment of CCIW schools, though it is down 20% or so from the economic down turn.  Someone posted the actual numbers on this board a month or so ago.  I'm sure you'll see the exact details soon...

... and here they are:

school	2009 (in $1,000s)	2008 (in $1,000s)	% change
Wheaton	250,695	321,930	-27.1
Illinois Wesleyan	151,141	182,476	-17.2
Augustana	88,745	110,990	-20.5
Millikin	84,409	88,739	-4.9
North Central	70,462	78,598	-10.4
Elmhurst	70,101	97,938	-28.4
North Park	49,272	60,304	-18.3
Carthage	33,693	43,499	-22.5

Carthage has been the only CCIW school in expansion mode with regard to athletics in recent years. That school's leadership marches to the beat of a different drummer when it comes to athletics expenditures. NPU did add women's rowing, but that was seven years ago.

Coincidentally, this order of schools is a preview of this years final CCIW football standings. 

UC if that's the case then Q I see your 50,000,000 and raise you 25,000,000.  I am sure Liberty Mutual will match it.

[ball]

Coincidentally, this order of schools is a preview of this years final CCIW football standings. 

Right... Because North Park is going to win a conference football game...

The scope of North Park's success in the CCIW is very limited:

http://www.cciw.org/news/WinterDriveRelease.php

[Dennis_Prikkel]

Coincidentally, this order of schools is a preview of this years final CCIW football standings. 

Right... Because North Park is going to win a conference football game...

The scope of North Park's success in the CCIW is very limited:

http://www.cciw.org/news/WinterDriveRelease.php

go to h....

go directly to h....

do not pass go and do not collect $200.00


dgp

not funny

[matblake]

There are some sports that you can't get rid of if you want to stay in the CCIW.  From the CCIW Constitution:

Section 2: Core Sports. In the men's program, every member of the Conference must play every other Conference member in football, basketball and baseball and must participate in the Conference (meet) program of at least five other sports. In the women's program, every member of the Conference must play every other Conference member in volleyball, basketball and softball and must participate in the Conference (meet) program of at least
five other sports.

You can see the entire constitution here:  http://www.cciw.org/pdf/constitution.pdf

Mrs. Matblake must be regining you in big time if this is how you are spending your time. I hope you don't pay for your internet by the minute.

Ouch       +k

[Dennis_Prikkel]

There are some sports that you can't get rid of if you want to stay in the CCIW.  From the CCIW Constitution:

Section 2: Core Sports. In the men's program, every member of the Conference must play every other Conference member in football, basketball and baseball and must participate in the Conference (meet) program of at least five other sports. In the women's program, every member of the Conference must play every other Conference member in volleyball, basketball and softball and must participate in the Conference (meet) program of at least
five other sports.

You can see the entire constitution here:  http://www.cciw.org/pdf/constitution.pdf

Mrs. Matblake must be regining you in big time if this is how you are spending your time. I hope you don't pay for your internet by the minute.

Ouch       +k

by the by - the provision for five other sports is regulary overlooked.

[usee]

Here's a link to the UMHB website which will provide access to Live video and stats for tonights game between Wheaton and UMHB. Tipoff at 7pm. (look in the middle of the right side for links to the feeds)

http://www.cruathletics.com/index.aspx?path=mbball

[WUPHF]

Wheaton does still have the largest endowment of CCIW schools, though it is down 20% or so from the economic down turn.  Someone posted the actual numbers on this board a month or so ago.  I'm sure you'll see the exact details soon...

The interesting thing about endowments: often it is the extent to which an institution relies on the endowment to fund day-to-day expenditures and not the overall amount that determines how an institution responds when the going gets rough.  Not to mention the fact that some endowment monies are very limited in use (for example, a donation that goes to fund a scholarship may not necessarily be used to cover a temporary shortfall).

The old adage the bigger they are, the harder they fall, does often fit here.

Harvard is learning that the hard way.  And, to a certain extent, we over at Washington University are as well even though we have one of the largest war chests in the nation.

[Mugsy]

Wheaton does still have the largest endowment of CCIW schools, though it is down 20% or so from the economic down turn.  Someone posted the actual numbers on this board a month or so ago.  I'm sure you'll see the exact details soon...

The interesting thing about endowments: often it is the extent to which an institution relies on the endowment to fund day-to-day expenditures and not the overall amount that determines how an institution responds when the going gets rough.  Not to mention the fact that some endowment monies are very limited in use (for example, a donation that goes to fund a scholarship may not necessarily be used to cover a temporary shortfall).

The old adage the bigger they are, the harder they fall, does often fit here.

Harvard is learning that the hard way.  And, to a certain extent, we over at Washington University are as well even though we have one of the largest war chests in the nation.

Alumni giving and endowment has kept the tuition cost down at Wheaton (somewhere in the neighborhood of $5-8K cheaper).

[steve d is the man]

Coincidentally, this order of schools is a preview of this years final CCIW football standings. 

Right... Because North Park is going to win a conference football game...

The scope of North Park's success in the CCIW is very limited:

http://www.cciw.org/news/WinterDriveRelease.php

go to h....

go directly to h....

do not pass go and do not collect $200.00


dgp

not funny

speaking of monopoly...

north park would be lower than Mediterranean avenue, as they are not close to a monopoly on anything, except for women's rowing. at least the vikings have that going for them. boats.

[Titan Q]

Mary Hardin-Baylor (22-6/17-4 ASC)
G – Sterling Phillips (6-0 So.) – 10.9 ppg, 3.3 rpg, 2.4 apg
G – Zane Johnston (6-2 Sr.) – 8.4 ppg, 3.5 rpg, 2.9 apg
F – Rich Moore (6-5 Sr.) – 7.2 ppg, 3.5 rpg
F – Ervin Johnston (6-5 Sr.) – 8.4 ppg, 5.3 rpg
F – Theo Ard (6-5 Sr.) – 12.6 ppg, 7.5 rpg

G – Dean Pele (6-3 Jr.) – 15.9 ppg, 4.4 rpg
F – Greg Wiernes (6-7 So.) – 3.6 ppg, 3.5 rpg
G – Kevin Neal (5-10 So.) – 3.4 ppg, 1.8 rpg


Wheaton (18-8/10-4 CCIW)
G – Stephen Pierotti (6-1 So.) – 1.8 ppg, 1.5 rpg, 1.9 apg
G – Andrew Jahns (6-2 Jr.) – 9.7 ppg, 2.9 rpg, 2.0 apg
G – Ben Panner (6-3 Sr.) – 17.0 ppg, 2.7 rpg
F – Tim McCrary (6-6 So.) – 18.5 ppg, 8.9 rpg
C – Jake Carwell (6-7 Sr.) – 6.8 ppg, 5.0 rpg

F - Spencer Schultze (6-6 So.) – 6.9 ppg, 3.8 rpg
G - John Shackelford (6-3 Jr.) – 5.9 ppg, 2.6 rpg
F - David Eseke (6-4 Sr.) – 2.9 ppg, 1.5 rpg

[Gregory Sager]

I had an interesting conversation with a law student who attended a recent conference sponsored by DePaul on the intersection of sport, opportunity, and profit motive aka revenue generation.  He said at least two Horizon League schools - private schools- chose to increase the number of athletic teams as a way to increase the number of students paying tuition.  Sounds similar to the MO at NPU. 

Not really North Park, as NPU has dropped two sports and only added two others over the past twenty years. Over the past thirty years, it's dropped four and added three. It's more the m.o. of Carthage and Adrian; they're the two D3 schools that come to mind that have really embraced the more-teams-means-more-tuition-paying-students concept.

Coincidentally, this order of schools is a preview of this years final CCIW football standings. 

Right... Because North Park is going to win a conference football game...

The scope of North Park's success in the CCIW is very limited:

http://www.cciw.org/news/WinterDriveRelease.php

If NPU is only to have one arena of success in the CCIW, then charitable giving is the right one to have. I'd rather see my alma mater produce graduates that have Christian compassion and a commitment to serving the needy and loving their neighbors than see it produce a thousand All-American athletes and sports trophies.

Coincidentally, this order of schools is a preview of this years final CCIW football standings. 

Right... Because North Park is going to win a conference football game...

The scope of North Park's success in the CCIW is very limited:

http://www.cciw.org/news/WinterDriveRelease.php

go to h....

go directly to h....

do not pass go and do not collect $200.00


dgp

not funny

speaking of monopoly...

north park would be lower than Mediterranean avenue, as they are not close to a monopoly on anything, except for women's rowing. at least the vikings have that going for them. boats.

There is only one school in this conference that has never won a national title in anything. Guess which one it is, buddy boy. Here's a hint: It ain't located in Illinois.

[CCIWFAN3]

Greg you're brutal man!  U watching dual games or switching nights, or traveling to watch live?

[Gregory Sager]

Greg you're brutal man!  U watching dual games or switching nights, or traveling to watch live?

Unfortunately, I'm going to be out of town this weekend, but I plan on following tonight's Wheaton game via the internet.