MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

[Titan Q]

Right. Upon further reflection, I can see where I erred. Sincere apologies to Mr. Baxter and Mr. Fendley.
In the Baxter case, I just repeated what someone at Wesleyan told me Wed night.
In the Fendley situation, I didn't realize I was disseminating any information which wasn't already public knowledge.

Gee, what a first-class apology.

[Titan Q]

Home win = +0
Road win = +1
Home loss = -1
Road loss = +0


+/- Standings through 1/8
Augustana +1
Carthage +0
Elmhurst +0
Illinois Wesleyan +0
Millikin +0
North Central +0
Wheaton +0
North Park -1

(Usually takes +4 to win the title)


Wednesday, 1/12
Carthage @ Elmhurst
Illinois Wesleyan @ Millikin
North Central @ North Park
Wheaton @ Augustana

[Titan Q]

IWU's JV team defeated Illinois Central JC last night 75-66

http://www.pjstar.com/sports/college/x1314136081/Area-colleges-ICC-men-WIU-women-fall-on-road


Brady Zimmer led the Titans with 28.

[Hardwood]

Right. Upon further reflection, I can see where I erred. Sincere apologies to Mr. Baxter and Mr. Fendley.
In the Baxter case, I just repeated what someone at Wesleyan told me Wed night.
In the Fendley situation, I didn't realize I was disseminating any information which wasn't already public knowledge.
In both instances, I typed before I thought. Still, that is no excuse, and I was wrong.
Thanks to those that pointed out the error of my ways.
The offending material has been removed.

I'm sure the kids appreciate the apology. I hope you've really had an epiphany, because it's not the first time you've aired kids' dirty laundry and/or academic info.

On Phil Albrecht:

RECRUITING INFORMATION

I hope this hasn't already been reported---I didn't have the time to page back

I have confirmed that St. Norbert has picked up 5'10" point guard Phil Albrecht out of Batavia, Il HS.

Phil was the floor general of a very good Batavia team which featured a Northwestern Univ.  recruit, and which was ranked about 10th in the state most of the year. Phil's strengths are that he sees the floor well, takes care of the ball, makes good decisions, is an adept passer, and is a good shooter when the opportunity presents itself. Among his statistics are a scoring average of 10.3 ppg, 85 percent FT shooting, 40 percent 3 point shooting, and about twice as many assists as TOs.

He was initially pursued by up to about 10 schools. I believe this number was eventually pared to 5, the most frequently mentioned being---St. Marys and St. Johns in MN, St. Josephs in IN, North Central, IL, & St. Norbert with North Central and St. Norbert emerging as the 2 favorites/finalists. Phil's parents, especially his mom, seemed to favor North Central a bit. At one point, I know for a fact Mrs. Albrecht told North Central something very close to "I really respect NCC and know its a great  school, and I don't relish packing up Phil's brothers and sisters (3, I think) and hauling them all the way up to Wisconsin to be able to see Phil play."   
However, Phil's application to North Central was denied.   

This is perplexing to me. Even though the CCIW in general has very high academic standards, and is highly thought of on the academic world, I had thought that North Central and St. Norbert were on pretty equal ground academically. Accordingly, its surprising he was denied by North Central, but admitted to STN. Anybody know what St N's requirements are. Have you heard of players being denied at other conference or regional schools and still being admitted to STN?

Anyway, they are getting a good player and a good kid. More so than on the court, Phil's biggest challenge may be in the classroom as far as maintaining his eligibility. I sense the STN coaches will have to keep a close eye on his academic progress for him to be successful in maintaining his eligibility. Good luck to Phil!

On Kevin Senechalle:
"Fabulous" when NCC had a chance at him, a "borderline admit" when he decided to go somewhere else.

All of the above players are also being recruited by several other schools besides Augie, including most of the CCIW schools.

Scarlata is a superior student who has visited several Ivy League schools and could very well end up there or at Univ of Chicago.

Harks has developed into a major talent. He really opened a lot of eyes in the holiday tourneys, and continues to drew high interest.

Senechalle played on a team last summer with Derek Raridon of Neuqua Valley who has already committed to play at North Central next year. Together they would make a fabulous center-forward combination.

Although Senechalle was pursued by several CCIW teams as TQ indicates, there was not really much chance of him landing in the CCIW or anywhere in DIII for that matter. He would have been a boarder line admit at most CCIW schools. With regard to DIII in general, he is a "big" who does have some ability, but he always considered himself too good for DIII. Perhaps his self assessment was correct as he was indeed offered and accepted at the DII level. Of the players mentioned in the article, Harger scored 38 points all season, and Dantzler is no longer listed on Parkside roster. Parkside finished 7-20 this season so perhaps the best place for some of their players would have been DIII.

We see this frequently. Players who could be stars at the DIII level end up going higher--especially "bigs"---and end up never being heard from again as they languish at the end of of a DII, or even a DI bench. Although from a family and financial standpoint, it certainly is difficult to pass on a scholarship offer, especially in these difficult economic times.

**While we're on the subject----EXPECT to see some other players, heavily
pursued this season by several CCIW and other midwestern DIII schools, end up in DII or smaller DI programs. I'm already aware of at least 3 or 4 players who are evidently headed in that direction. All would be great DIII players, but are questionable higher level performers.**       

**Warning---Think twice before commenting about the above. Its already cost me 3 points. Whatever makes you happy Karma fairy!!!!!!!!!

On Raul Guzman:

If true, it appears Bosko has landed another player (6"5" 245) with both plenty of basketball skills, and plenty of potentially serious roadblocks to the attainment of a degree.

Raul's skill on the court actually began to stand out to stand out during his soph season at Cicero Morton. It became more apparent 2 yrs ago in then his junior year, and came to the forefront last season when he was named West Suburban Conference Gold Division POY. He really stepped up when All-Sate teammate Luke Scarlata went down with an appendectomy and missed 8 or 10 games. Raul lacks quickness, but has good footwork and is tough inside. He can also step outside and reliably hit the 3, converting 37% from beyond the arc last season. Additionally, he is an adept passer for a big man, dishing out almost 4 apg. His basketball shortcomings are primarily related to his lack of quickness--he doesn't run the floor well, and a large percentage of his rebounds were obtained as a result of the ball bouncing directly to him off the rim/board as he lacks lateral quickness to move to the ball. This also makes him a defensive liability particularly in man coverage.   

Raul's real challenge will come off the court. He has had some problems relative to self discipline. Perhaps most noteworthy was that in speaking with several HS coaches and adults familiar with the situation the consensus was that whatever school got Raul would need to assign one staff member to him on almost a full time basis just to monitor him and keep him on course.

Of course, this is not to say kids don't mature or that any particular coaching staff cannot effectively prevent or manage any disruptive situations that may arise.
Much luck to Mr. Guzman at CC.

*Edited spelling error

Well, I don't think one JC not releasing him to play at another JC would  affect his status at Carthage, but it does seem odd that he would in effect "sign on" with Carthage by playing with their summer team(s), but yet also "attach" himself to Morraine. As I reported above, if this kid does end up in Kenosha, there is a distinct possibility Bosko and his staff will encounter off the court difficulties with him. Getting him from matriculation to graduation will be a delicate and difficult process.

In making that statement I want to make it clear that the basis for my analysis is information from not one, but two impeachable sources that could not possibly be closer and more familiar with Raul Guzman. He can play basketball. Hopefully he will mature and grow off the court as well. As I said earlier, good luck to him.

On Tyler Pierce:

Hopefully, Mr. Pierce emulates his older brother, Pierre, on the court only.
Pierre may have played at Iowa, but for the majority of basketball fans in the western suburbs, he is best known and remembered for his frequent and very serious confrontations with the law culminating in his having to register with the Iowa Sex Offender Registry. You can Google Pierre Pierce, Westmont and click on the Wikipedia article for some interesting reading if you so choose.

On Kameron Norton:

Dan---

Given Augie won the 1st half by only 2, and the 2nd by 20, it would appear to an outsider like me that the Loras starters might be pretty good, but that Augie has far superior depth. OR, did either the Loras starters play especially well and the Augie starters not up to par, or both?

Augie 22--

Norton looked very good this summer in Deerfield. I thought he played better than Kunz, and even Scarlata.
However, Mr. Norton won't win any popularity contests (not that that has anything to do with winning basketball games) as during the recruiting process last year he "played" some teams by feigning interest in them, causing a lot of wasted time and effort. I think he knew he was going to Augie all along, which is fine. I just wish he had been man enough to be more direct and honest with the other schools rather than wasting their time.

[oldnuthin]

Right. Upon further reflection, I can see where I erred. Sincere apologies to Mr. Baxter and Mr. Fendley.
In the Baxter case, I just repeated what someone at Wesleyan told me Wed night.
In the Fendley situation, I didn't realize I was disseminating any information which wasn't already public knowledge.
In both instances, I typed before I thought. Still, that is no excuse, and I was wrong.
Thanks to those that pointed out the error of my ways.
The offending material has been removed.

I'm sure the kids appreciate the apology. I hope you've really had an epiphany, because it's not the first time you've aired kids' dirty laundry and/or academic info.

On Phil Albrecht:

RECRUITING INFORMATION

I hope this hasn't already been reported---I didn't have the time to page back

I have confirmed that St. Norbert has picked up 5'10" point guard Phil Albrecht out of Batavia, Il HS.

Phil was the floor general of a very good Batavia team which featured a Northwestern Univ.  recruit, and which was ranked about 10th in the state most of the year. Phil's strengths are that he sees the floor well, takes care of the ball, makes good decisions, is an adept passer, and is a good shooter when the opportunity presents itself. Among his statistics are a scoring average of 10.3 ppg, 85 percent FT shooting, 40 percent 3 point shooting, and about twice as many assists as TOs.

He was initially pursued by up to about 10 schools. I believe this number was eventually pared to 5, the most frequently mentioned being---St. Marys and St. Johns in MN, St. Josephs in IN, North Central, IL, & St. Norbert with North Central and St. Norbert emerging as the 2 favorites/finalists. Phil's parents, especially his mom, seemed to favor North Central a bit. At one point, I know for a fact Mrs. Albrecht told North Central something very close to "I really respect NCC and know its a great  school, and I don't relish packing up Phil's brothers and sisters (3, I think) and hauling them all the way up to Wisconsin to be able to see Phil play."   
However, Phil's application to North Central was denied.   

This is perplexing to me. Even though the CCIW in general has very high academic standards, and is highly thought of on the academic world, I had thought that North Central and St. Norbert were on pretty equal ground academically. Accordingly, its surprising he was denied by North Central, but admitted to STN. Anybody know what St N's requirements are. Have you heard of players being denied at other conference or regional schools and still being admitted to STN?

Anyway, they are getting a good player and a good kid. More so than on the court, Phil's biggest challenge may be in the classroom as far as maintaining his eligibility. I sense the STN coaches will have to keep a close eye on his academic progress for him to be successful in maintaining his eligibility. Good luck to Phil!

On Kevin Senechalle:
"Fabulous" when NCC had a chance at him, a "borderline admit" when he decided to go somewhere else.

All of the above players are also being recruited by several other schools besides Augie, including most of the CCIW schools.

Scarlata is a superior student who has visited several Ivy League schools and could very well end up there or at Univ of Chicago.

Harks has developed into a major talent. He really opened a lot of eyes in the holiday tourneys, and continues to drew high interest.

Senechalle played on a team last summer with Derek Raridon of Neuqua Valley who has already committed to play at North Central next year. Together they would make a fabulous center-forward combination.

Although Senechalle was pursued by several CCIW teams as TQ indicates, there was not really much chance of him landing in the CCIW or anywhere in DIII for that matter. He would have been a boarder line admit at most CCIW schools. With regard to DIII in general, he is a "big" who does have some ability, but he always considered himself too good for DIII. Perhaps his self assessment was correct as he was indeed offered and accepted at the DII level. Of the players mentioned in the article, Harger scored 38 points all season, and Dantzler is no longer listed on Parkside roster. Parkside finished 7-20 this season so perhaps the best place for some of their players would have been DIII.

We see this frequently. Players who could be stars at the DIII level end up going higher--especially "bigs"---and end up never being heard from again as they languish at the end of of a DII, or even a DI bench. Although from a family and financial standpoint, it certainly is difficult to pass on a scholarship offer, especially in these difficult economic times.

**While we're on the subject----EXPECT to see some other players, heavily
pursued this season by several CCIW and other midwestern DIII schools, end up in DII or smaller DI programs. I'm already aware of at least 3 or 4 players who are evidently headed in that direction. All would be great DIII players, but are questionable higher level performers.**       

**Warning---Think twice before commenting about the above. Its already cost me 3 points. Whatever makes you happy Karma fairy!!!!!!!!!

On Raul Guzman:

If true, it appears Bosko has landed another player (6"5" 245) with both plenty of basketball skills, and plenty of potentially serious roadblocks to the attainment of a degree.

Raul's skill on the court actually began to stand out to stand out during his soph season at Cicero Morton. It became more apparent 2 yrs ago in then his junior year, and came to the forefront last season when he was named West Suburban Conference Gold Division POY. He really stepped up when All-Sate teammate Luke Scarlata went down with an appendectomy and missed 8 or 10 games. Raul lacks quickness, but has good footwork and is tough inside. He can also step outside and reliably hit the 3, converting 37% from beyond the arc last season. Additionally, he is an adept passer for a big man, dishing out almost 4 apg. His basketball shortcomings are primarily related to his lack of quickness--he doesn't run the floor well, and a large percentage of his rebounds were obtained as a result of the ball bouncing directly to him off the rim/board as he lacks lateral quickness to move to the ball. This also makes him a defensive liability particularly in man coverage.   

Raul's real challenge will come off the court. He has had some problems relative to self discipline. Perhaps most noteworthy was that in speaking with several HS coaches and adults familiar with the situation the consensus was that whatever school got Raul would need to assign one staff member to him on almost a full time basis just to monitor him and keep him on course.

Of course, this is not to say kids don't mature or that any particular coaching staff cannot effectively prevent or manage any disruptive situations that may arise.
Much luck to Mr. Guzman at CC.

*Edited spelling error

Well, I don't think one JC not releasing him to play at another JC would  affect his status at Carthage, but it does seem odd that he would in effect "sign on" with Carthage by playing with their summer team(s), but yet also "attach" himself to Morraine. As I reported above, if this kid does end up in Kenosha, there is a distinct possibility Bosko and his staff will encounter off the court difficulties with him. Getting him from matriculation to graduation will be a delicate and difficult process.

In making that statement I want to make it clear that the basis for my analysis is information from not one, but two impeachable sources that could not possibly be closer and more familiar with Raul Guzman. He can play basketball. Hopefully he will mature and grow off the court as well. As I said earlier, good luck to him.

On Tyler Pierce:

Hopefully, Mr. Pierce emulates his older brother, Pierre, on the court only.
Pierre may have played at Iowa, but for the majority of basketball fans in the western suburbs, he is best known and remembered for his frequent and very serious confrontations with the law culminating in his having to register with the Iowa Sex Offender Registry. You can Google Pierre Pierce, Westmont and click on the Wikipedia article for some interesting reading if you so choose.

On Kameron Norton:

Dan---

Given Augie won the 1st half by only 2, and the 2nd by 20, it would appear to an outsider like me that the Loras starters might be pretty good, but that Augie has far superior depth. OR, did either the Loras starters play especially well and the Augie starters not up to par, or both?

Augie 22--

Norton looked very good this summer in Deerfield. I thought he played better than Kunz, and even Scarlata.
However, Mr. Norton won't win any popularity contests (not that that has anything to do with winning basketball games) as during the recruiting process last year he "played" some teams by feigning interest in them, causing a lot of wasted time and effort. I think he knew he was going to Augie all along, which is fine. I just wish he had been man enough to be more direct and honest with the other schools rather than wasting their time.

I don't usually post here but this seems appropriate

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=simpsons+thats+a+paddlin&aq=f

[Gregory Sager]

Right. Upon further reflection, I can see where I erred. Sincere apologies to Mr. Baxter and Mr. Fendley.
In the Baxter case, I just repeated what someone at Wesleyan told me Wed night.
In the Fendley situation, I didn't realize I was disseminating any information which wasn't already public knowledge.
In both instances, I typed before I thought. Still, that is no excuse, and I was wrong.
Thanks to those that pointed out the error of my ways.
The offending material has been removed.

I'm sure the kids appreciate the apology. I hope you've really had an epiphany, because it's not the first time you've aired kids' dirty laundry and/or academic info.

On Phil Albrecht

[snip]

Then why are you airing the dirty laundry all over again? You could've simply made your point and left it at that without quoting him in gory detail. In effect, you've revived a lot of unnecessary gossip that: a) a lot of us wish he'd never made public in the first place; and b) should've been left buried in this room's archives, never again to see the light of day.

If you absolutely felt the need to back up your statement with the facts, you could've just cited the archived page numbers on which the quotes were found. That way, only the morbidly curious would've read all that stuff about those five young men again.

[magicman]

Good point Greg.

On a lighter note, here's a young fellow that recently moved from Wisconsin to the state of Washington. In a few years he might be "the one that got away". Only 12 years old and skills like Pistol Pete.

http://www.komonews.com/sports/heroes/111892554.html



 

[carthagealum]

I'm inclined to think that a student-athlete who might not normally meet a CCIW school's admission requirements can still be academically successful at a CCIW school. The idea that they might be admitted despite less-than-stellar academics doesn't bother me much. Small schools, good close attention for all students, some extra motivation and attention in terms of staying academically eligible, etc.

While I certainly don't want a listing of names, it seems uncommon that CCIW basketball players end up sitting out part of a season due to academic ineligibility. Am I mistaken?

[Mugsy]

Has USee disappeared from D3Boards?  His account is listed with the "Guest" status?

[Gregory Sager]

While I certainly don't want a listing of names, it seems uncommon that CCIW basketball players end up sitting out part of a season due to academic ineligibility. Am I mistaken?

It happens more frequently than you think. It just doesn't get talked about here every time it happens. It's usually only brought up if the player in question is getting varsity playing time, which makes questions about his sudden absence rather unavoidable.

Academic ineligibility is much rarer on the women's side of CCIW basketball. In general, it seems that female student-athletes are a lot less inclined than male student-athletes to run into academic trouble. Female basketball players seem to have a lot more balance in their lives and less of a basketball-above-all-else attitude, on average, than do their male counterparts.

Has USee disappeared from D3Boards?  His account is listed with the "Guest" status?

I'm stumped for an explanation. He hasn't gotten involved in any contretemps here or on the football board, as far as I can tell -- and if he hangs out anywhere else on the site, it's news to me.

I think he was on the verge of an important milestone, like his five-thousandth post or something like that ... so perhaps he hit 5,000 and turned into a pumpkin.

[wheels81]

Ever since I pointed out that he had 2 typos in his last post he's been silent.  I should have recognized the symptoms of something gone amuck!

[Pat Coleman]

Ever since I pointed out that he had 2 typos in his last post he's been silent.  I should have recognized the symptoms of something gone amuck!

Or amok.

[Gregory Sager]

Ever since I pointed out that he had 2 typos in his last post he's been silent.  I should have recognized the symptoms of something gone amuck!

Or amok.

Cut Wheels some slack, Pat, he's a Wheaton grad. They neither go crazy nor ever get mud on themselves.

[Gregory Sager]

Rob and I are back on the air tonight at 7:30 pm for tonight's North Central @ North Park tilt for those of you who are snowbound, out of the area, or who just can't get enough of hearing Rob push the falafel when he reads the commercial for Dawali Mediterranean Kitchen.

[mwunder]

Carthage wins 73 - 63 at Elmhurst.  Carthage led by 2 at the half in this one.

Some stats that jumped out at me.

Carthage shot 54% for the game, 55% from 3 and 92% from the free throw line.
Elmhurst shot 38%, 22% and 58%.

Elmhurst had 19 offensive boards!!

Steve Crane had 20 and 14 for the Blue Jays off the bench.

Steve D had 27 for Carthage.