MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

[Gregory Sager]

I also didn't understand why the ref underneath IWU basket (2nd half) did not make the call when Wheaton's player looked like he was playing football instead of basketball and committed a foul. That was a nasty play and IWU's player could have gotten hurt.  He hit the pine hard.  The ref standing baseline to the right side of the play called the foul.

Like I said in my previous post, the game got dirty at times. IWU pulled some extracurriculars as well, such as the instance in which Rosenkranz got away with sticking out his leg and tripping the Wheaton ballhandler (I think it was Jahns) in the open court when he was bringing the ball down the floor. Both teams played very hard. and as you'd expect from a game that was so tightly contested neither team was on the side of the angels.

[AndOne]

TO TRAVIS-------

May your doctors skillfully diagnose and treat you..........
May you feel the love, prayers, and thoughts of all those pulling for you.......
May you rest well........
And, RECOVER FULLY.........

[A Lover of the Game]

Update on Travis.  I'm happy to report that he has been released from the hospital.  He did in fact suffer a pretty bad concussion. I'm sure this means that he will be on the injured list for the next few weeks.

Titans, let's pull it together and close out the season with wins.

Go Titans!

[A Lover of the Game]

"and as you'd expect from a game that was so tightly contested neither team was on the side of the angels."

Agreed.

 

[Hoosier Titan]

Update on Travis.  I'm happy to report that he has been released from the hospital.  He did in fact suffer a pretty bad concussion. I'm sure this means that he will be on the injured list for the next few weeks.

What great news!  Thanks for updating us.

It was the scariest moment I can remember in a gym.  From the reactions of the first trainers on the scene and then Ron Rose, it was obvious that something was really wrong.  And yet the knock wasn't apparent during play.  Both teams were actually huddled in apparent prayer as they waited for the EMTs to arrive.

This makes me appreciate just how much we take for granted when we go to games.  Thankfully such frightening moments are very rare.

[CCIWchamps]

Update on Travis.  I'm happy to report that he has been released from the hospital. 

Great news. 

[Gregory Sager]

No one has mentioned this yet, but Augustana, which thumped hapless Millikin last night in Decatur by a score of 71-51, clinched at least a share of the CCIW title. Congrats to Augie. It is still mathematically possible for North Central to catch up to Augie and share the title if both teams finish 11-3; Augie would have to lose @ North Central next Saturday and @ Illinois Wesleyan a week from Tuesday, while NCC would have to beat Illinois Wesleyan in the airplane hangar tomorrow night and Elmhurst at Faganel Hall on Wednesday in addition to beating Augie next Saturday. If that were to happen, Augie and NCC would have split, and both teams would've also split with Carthage and Illinois Wesleyan. It would next come down to CCIW road record; Augie's would be 5-2, and NCC's would be 5-2 as well.

That brings it down to the fifth tiebreaker, which is W-L record over the second round-robin.  Augie's would be 4-3, NCC's would be 6-1, which means that North Central would win the tiebreaker and the CCIW tourney would be held in Naperville two weekends from now. However, since the Cardinals have to have all four games in question swing their way in order for this to happen, I'd have to say that the possibility is remote. It's extremely likely that the CCIW tourney will be in Rock Island, as if we didn't already know this a couple of weeks ago.

[bopol]

From CCIW.org

The following are tiebreaker procedures for conference tournament seeding.
Note: "Head to Head should be interpreted as the cumulative record of head to head records between all the tied teams. In the case of a tie involving more than two teams, the tiebreaker criteria should be used to remove one team before going back to the original criteria (at the start) and attempting to break the teams that remain tied.  For example, when separating Teams A, B and C, which finished tied, the cumulative head to head records should be used.  In this case, the tiebreaker criteria may remove one team (Team C for example) from contention.  At that point, the process starts over with the applicable tiebreaker criteria when attempting to break the tie between Teams A and B."

Men's & Women's Basketball
Seeding will be determined by regular season finish. Ties are broken by the following:
1. Head-to-head competition.
2. Record against team(s) above the tie beginning with the highest ranked team.
3. Record vs. team or teams in 3 rd place. If still tied, go to the next place for determination, et cetera.
4. Road record against conference schools.
5. Record in their seven conference games.
6. The point spread of the tied teams' head-to head competition.
7. Coin toss

NCU – vs Carthage (1-1), vs. IWU (1-0), vs. Wheaton (2-0)
IWU – vs. Carthage (1-1), vs. Wheaton (1-1), vs. NCU (0-1)
Wheaton – vs. Carthage (2-0), vs. IWU (1-1), vs. NCU (0-2)
Carthage – vs. NCU (1-1), vs. IWU (1-1), vs. Wheaton (0-2)

If IWU beats NCU this week and then losing to Augustana and NCU loses to both IWU and Augustana (and everyone else wins out otherwise), then there would be a 4-way tie for second and Carthage would be 2-4 and out of the tournament.

If NCU beats IWU and loses to Augustana and IWU beats Augustana (and everyone wins otherwise), then Wheaton and NCU advance and Carthage gets the 4th spot based on the 4th tiebreaker (road record).

In general, Carthage has the worst trek at the moment and then IWU which can't be in a 3-way tie with Carthage, so the NCU/IWU game is huge for IWU.

[TitansIWU]

From CCIW.org

The following are tiebreaker procedures for conference tournament seeding.
Note: "Head to Head should be interpreted as the cumulative record of head to head records between all the tied teams. In the case of a tie involving more than two teams, the tiebreaker criteria should be used to remove one team before going back to the original criteria (at the start) and attempting to break the teams that remain tied.  For example, when separating Teams A, B and C, which finished tied, the cumulative head to head records should be used.  In this case, the tiebreaker criteria may remove one team (Team C for example) from contention.  At that point, the process starts over with the applicable tiebreaker criteria when attempting to break the tie between Teams A and B."

Men's & Women's Basketball
Seeding will be determined by regular season finish. Ties are broken by the following:
1. Head-to-head competition.
2. Record against team(s) above the tie beginning with the highest ranked team.
3. Record vs. team or teams in 3 rd place. If still tied, go to the next place for determination, et cetera.
4. Road record against conference schools.
5. Record in their seven conference games.
6. The point spread of the tied teams' head-to head competition.
7. Coin toss

NCU – vs Carthage (1-1), vs. IWU (1-0), vs. Wheaton (2-0)
IWU – vs. Carthage (1-1), vs. Wheaton (1-1), vs. NCU (0-1)
Wheaton – vs. Carthage (2-0), vs. IWU (1-1), vs. NCU (0-2)
Carthage – vs. NCU (1-1), vs. IWU (1-1), vs. Wheaton (0-2)

If IWU beats NCU this week and then losing to Augustana and NCU loses to both IWU and Augustana (and everyone else wins out otherwise), then there would be a 4-way tie for second and Carthage would be 2-4 and out of the tournament.

If NCU beats IWU and loses to Augustana and IWU beats Augustana (and everyone wins otherwise), then Wheaton and NCU advance and Carthage gets the 4th spot based on the 4th tiebreaker (road record).

In general, Carthage has the worst trek at the moment and then IWU which can't be in a 3-way tie with Carthage, so the NCU/IWU game is huge for IWU.

Not to be a total nitpicker, but it is NCC, not NCU.

Also, IWU beat NCC in the first game they played.

[Just Bill]

OK, regional rankings gurus...

Edgewood and IWU, on criteria, were in a virtual dead heat last week with IWU holding the 4 spot and Edgewood at 5.

IWU was the only regionally ranked team to lose this week, although to a good Wheaton team on the road. Edgewood played two very weak opponents and beat them both (1 home, 1 away).

Does Edgewood pass IWU this week on the strength of going 2-0, or does IWU hold the spot by playing better opponents, despite going 1-1?

[bopol]

Right, NCC is in Illinois and NCU is in Minnesota and NCSU is in Ohio.  But NCSU is a community college, so I rarely confuse them in the conversation.

I can think of lots of schools with 2 schools named the same, but North Central is the only one that I can think of that has three (unless you count the Northwoods, but I think they are all run under the same adminstration...)

[petemcb]

I also didn't understand why the ref underneath IWU basket (2nd half) did not make the call when Wheaton's player looked like he was playing football instead of basketball and committed a foul. That was a nasty play and IWU's player could have gotten hurt.  He hit the pine hard.  The ref standing baseline to the right side of the play called the foul.

Like I said in my previous post, the game got dirty at times. IWU pulled some extracurriculars as well, such as the instance in which Rosenkranz got away with sticking out his leg and tripping the Wheaton ballhandler (I think it was Jahns) in the open court when he was bringing the ball down the floor. Both teams played very hard. and as you'd expect from a game that was so tightly contested neither team was on the side of the angels.

I think it was Nate Serenius, not Jahns, but you were sitting two feet closer to the action, so I might have to defer.

[Gregory Sager]

Right, NCC is in Illinois and NCU is in Minnesota and NCSU is in Ohio.  But NCSU is a community college, so I rarely confuse them in the conversation.

I can think of lots of schools with 2 schools named the same, but North Central is the only one that I can think of that has three (unless you count the Northwoods, but I think they are all run under the same adminstration...)

You're forgetting that there are approximately 31,644,837 colleges and universities in the United States and Canada that are named Concordia.

I also didn't understand why the ref underneath IWU basket (2nd half) did not make the call when Wheaton's player looked like he was playing football instead of basketball and committed a foul. That was a nasty play and IWU's player could have gotten hurt.  He hit the pine hard.  The ref standing baseline to the right side of the play called the foul.

Like I said in my previous post, the game got dirty at times. IWU pulled some extracurriculars as well, such as the instance in which Rosenkranz got away with sticking out his leg and tripping the Wheaton ballhandler (I think it was Jahns) in the open court when he was bringing the ball down the floor. Both teams played very hard. and as you'd expect from a game that was so tightly contested neither team was on the side of the angels.

I think it was Nate Serenius, not Jahns, but you were sitting two feet closer to the action, so I might have to defer.

We're sure about one thing, Pete: It was a white guy.

[WheatonFanChris]

If that were to happen, Augie and NCC would have split, and both teams would've also split with Carthage and Illinois Wesleyan. It would next come down to CCIW road record; Augie's would be 5-2, and NCC's would be 5-2 as well.

Greg, wouldn't Wheaton be the team in consideration before Carthage unless Wheaton is upset? Although am I right in understanding that wouldn't really matter because they are both 2-0 over the Thunder?

[Gregory Sager]

If that were to happen, Augie and NCC would have split, and both teams would've also split with Carthage and Illinois Wesleyan. It would next come down to CCIW road record; Augie's would be 5-2, and NCC's would be 5-2 as well.

Greg, wouldn't Wheaton be the team in consideration before Carthage unless Wheaton is upset? Although am I right in understanding that wouldn't really matter because they are both 2-0 over the Thunder?

That's correct. If the current 3-4-5 spots were to remain in place, the "descending ladder" sequence would go:

#3. Illinois Wesleyan (AC 1-1, NCC 1-1)
#4. Wheaton (AC 2-0, NCC 2-0)
#5. Carthage (AC 1-1, NCC 1-1)

As you can see, in whichever order you shuffle Illinois Wesleyan, Wheaton, and Carthage, the result would be the same. Augustana and North Central, if the best-case-scenario for Todd Raridon were to work out, would have identical records in terms of how they performed. Both teams would've lost to Illinois Wesleyan in Bloomington, lost to Carthage at home, and lost to each other on the road. Thus would the ladder tiebreakers be rendered moot.