MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

[petemcb]

All-Conference selections announced

Most Outstanding Player: Steve Djurickovic
Coach of the Year: Grey Giovanni

First Team
Steve Djurickovic*
Landon Gamble
Kyle Nelson*
Tim McCrary*
Doug Sexauer

Second Team
Andrew Jahns
Sean Johnson
Malcom Kelly
Bryant Voiles
Derek Raridon

Third Team
Zach Boyd
Emmanuel Crosby
Brian DeSimone
Brian Evans
Jordan Zimmer
Kyle Taylor

* denotes unanimous selection

Well, if anyone needed any confirmation that the conference picks the best 5, the next best 5, and the final best 5 (or 6) regardless of position, here it is!  Particularly on the 2nd team, where the best rebounder on the team may well be a 6 footish guard.  Hey wait a minute.  Wasn't it a footish that was getting so much press a few weeks ago.  Oh yeah.  NFL.  Different board. Sorry about that. 

[markerickson]

So second place NCC has to win the conference tourney in order to qualify for postseason activity.  When was the last time a second place CCIW team was not a consideration for a Pool C bid?  Since "Pool C" may have been created only a few years ago, I'll rephrase the question.  When was the last year, in pre-CCIW tourney years, that the CCIW was confident only one team would go to the NCAA tournament?

Also, when was the last time only one CCIW team made the NCAA tourney and what team finished second?

[AndOne]

So second place NCC has to win the conference tourney in order to qualify for postseason activity.  When was the last time a second place CCIW team was not a consideration for a Pool C bid?  Since "Pool C" may have been created only a few years ago, I'll rephrase the question.  When was the last year, in pre-CCIW tourney years, that the CCIW was confident only one team would go to the NCAA tournament?

Also, when was the last time only one CCIW team made the NCAA tourney and what team finished second?

Mr. Erickson-----

I am sorry, I don't know the answer to your question. The one thing I DO know is that NCC is NOT the 2nd place team. As evidence, I offer a copy of the official CCIW web site. Thank you very much for your consideration. Peace.     


2010-11 Men's Basketball Standings

School   Conf   Overall
North Central #    11-3   15-10
Augustana #    11-3   22-3
Wheaton *    9-5   18-7
Illinois Wesleyan *    9-5   18-7
Carthage    9-5   16-9
North Park    4-10   11-14
Elmhurst    3-11   8-17
Millikin    0-14   1-23

#CCIW Co-Champions

[petemcb]

.......which actually makes it an even more interesting question for the historians on the board:  In a second rephrasing of Mark's original question, when was the last time a CCIW conference co-champion  was not a lock for the tournament? 

[79jaybird]

AndOne- I know you are excited and drinking the red kool-aid to celebrate.

the question I have is traditionally on a stat sheet if both teams have an identical conf. mark,  they list the team with the better overall record first.
I.E.
1) AUGUSTANA 11-3 22-3
1) N. CENTRAL 11-3  22-3

or Alphabetically which would be the same thing as above.

I will say North CEntral has overachieved all year and stunned everybody.

[John Gleich]

AndOne- I know you are excited and drinking the red kool-aid to celebrate.

the question I have is traditionally on a stat sheet if both teams have an identical conf. mark,  they list the team with the better overall record first.
I.E.
1) AUGUSTANA 11-3 22-3
1) N. CENTRAL 11-3  22-3

or Alphabetically which would be the same thing as above.

I will say North CEntral has overachieved all year and stunned everybody.

Actually, AndOne copied it right from the CCIW page...

It appears that they listed the teams in order of seeds in terms of the conference tournament (thus Wheaton is above IWU, is above Carthage, as well)

[Mr. Ypsi]

AndOne- I know you are excited and drinking the red kool-aid to celebrate.

the question I have is traditionally on a stat sheet if both teams have an identical conf. mark,  they list the team with the better overall record first.
I.E.
1) AUGUSTANA 11-3 22-3
1) N. CENTRAL 11-3  22-3

or Alphabetically which would be the same thing as above.

I will say North CEntral has overachieved all year and stunned everybody.

"Overachieved" or "grown up"?  (And I don't know the answer.)

The best single class I can recall in the CCIW in essentially forever would have to be IWU, Class of 2006: Dauksas, Amelianovich, the Jones twins, Schweer, etc.  Based on the conference results this season (forget the pre-conference record), the NCC freshmen have the potential to be equal or better - in which case the rest of us are in deep doo-doo.

[TitansIWU]

One question I have after looking through these boards for awhile:

Does anyone feel that the NCC team overachieved and/or out-performed expectations this year?

[CCIW ALUM]

To early to tell, lets see how well the Young Cardinals perform when the stakes are turned up and higher! I do know this, they have talent, they are extremely well coached, they are loose and not supposed to be here! The only thing that really stands in their way, they have to perform and play back to back nights when they are now the hunted with the target on their back, instead of hunting the other teams they play! One other comment, out of their 8 man rotation, if I am correct they have 4 guys (Evans, Gillespe, Raridon, and I am sorry the name of the Transfer that has come on and helped since being healthy who have performed) with veteran leadership and have been thru the wars in the CCIW. And the 4 Freshman have done a great job. But this group is a nice balance of both vets and freshmen!

[TitansIWU]

To early to tell, lets see how well the Young Cardinals perform when the stakes are turned up and higher! I do know this, they have talent, they are extremely well coached, they are loose and not supposed to be here! The only thing that really stands in their way, they have to perform and play back to back nights when they are now the hunted with the target on their back, instead of hunting the other teams they play! One other comment, out of their 8 man rotation, if I am correct they have 4 guys (Evans, Gillespe, Raridon, and I am sorry the name of the Transfer that has come on and helped since being healthy who have performed) with veteran leadership and have been thru the wars in the CCIW. And the 4 Freshman have done a great job. But this group is a nice balance of both vets and freshmen!

They won't necessarily play back to back games! It's possible they will get hunted successfully by the first team they play!

My previous post was just a slight jab at the content of a few posters who can't post without reiterating that NCC wasn't supposed to be here, etc...

[Dennis_Prikkel]

.......which actually makes it an even more interesting question for the historians on the board:  In a second rephrasing of Mark's original question, when was the last time a CCIW conference co-champion  was not a lock for the tournament? 

before the CCIW had an automatic bid (circa 1980 or so)

the question came up in 1978 when north park won its first ncaa title.  the ncaa told us that the rules at that time allowed only one representative from a conference that did not have an automatic bid.  Thus, at that time, two cciw schools could have both had 25-1, 15-1 league records, with identical tiebreakers for the league title, and the league would have gotten only one team - decided by coin flip.  1980 was the first year the league got two bids, so i would imagine that was the first year the league got an automatic bid.  In 1985 NP and NC tied for the league title, but NC got the league's automatic bid because of the fourth tiebreaker.  NP went on to win the national title.

[Titan Q]

.......which actually makes it an even more interesting question for the historians on the board:  In a second rephrasing of Mark's original question, when was the last time a CCIW conference co-champion  was not a lock for the tournament? 

In 2002-03, IWU, Augustana, and Carthage shared the CCIW title at 11-3...with IWU winning the AQ.  IWU was the only team of the 3 to make the NCAA tournament.

[mwunder]

.......which actually makes it an even more interesting question for the historians on the board:  In a second rephrasing of Mark's original question, when was the last time a CCIW conference co-champion  was not a lock for the tournament? 

In 2002-03, IWU, Augustana, and Carthage shared the CCIW title at 11-3...with IWU winning the AQ.  IWU was the only team of the 3 to make the NCAA tournament.

I remember that year...Rockford got a bid over Carthage that season.  If I'm not mistaken, Rockford got blown out.  That was McDaniel and Garnes' last season.  Bittersweet end to two great careers.  Funny how history tends to repeat itself, isn't it?

[markerickson]

I will concede that I could have used more precise language...NCC is the second seed.  In no way do I believe NCC does not deserve to be the second seed.   I never said or implied that.  Readers may have made an incorrect inference. 

02-03 with the senior Carthage studs, a strong IWU team, and Augie.  Thanks for the info!  Prior to 02-03, when was the last year the CCIW sent one team to the NCAA tourney?

[Mr. Ypsi]

I will concede that I could have used more precise language...NCC is the second seed.  In no way do I believe NCC does not deserve to be the second seed.   I never said or implied that.  Readers may have made an incorrect inference. 

02-03 with the senior Carthage studs, a strong IWU team, and Augie.  Thanks for the info!  Prior to 02-03, when was the last year the CCIW sent one team to the NCAA tourney?

Actually, NCC is the FIRST seed.