MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

[pgkevin]

I am pretty sure he never traveled or fouled anyone in his entire career.

except for Russell of the Utah Jazz = who he shoved out of the way with one hand before going up for the game-winning shot in the NBA finals.

Too big. Too fast. Too strong. Too good.

Did you not get the memo?

[Mr. Ypsi]

Well, Chuck, at least we can say you look at the bright side. 

I don't think we needed to wait for that post to be able to say that.

As an overenthusiastic fan, I've mellowed and gotten far more realistic.   Five years ago (probably a bad choice of time span, since five years ago Pat picked IWU to win 'the big doorstop'! ) I probably wouldn't have had so many qualifiers in there (and I HAVE picked UWSP to beat IWU in the bracket contest).

BUT, I retain some of the mindset of players and coaches: 'if you don't think you can win, you're right - you can't.'

[sac]

As an overenthusiastic fan, I've mellowed and gotten far more realistic.

You've mellowed in the same way Charlie Sheen has it all under control.

[petemcb]

I'm sitting out at wheaton college listening to Mayor Richard Daley lecture on politics and I see mccrary, schulze and shackelford here AND paying attention. That's one of the things we all love about d3 bball: true student-athletes.  Love it.

[petemcb]

Funny daley moment during the Q & A. Asked what 3 pieces of advice he'd give to mayor-elect emmanuel.  He answered."don't give advice that hasn't been asked for".

[John Gleich]

I am pretty sure he never traveled or fouled anyone in his entire career.

except for Russell of the Utah Jazz = who he shoved out of the way with one hand before going up for the game-winning shot in the NBA finals.

Hey, that was a good no-call... if anything, Russell should have been called for the foul.  His side CLEARLY impeded Jordan's off-hand on the play...

[Mr. Ypsi]

As an overenthusiastic fan, I've mellowed and gotten far more realistic.

You've mellowed in the same way Charlie Sheen has it all under control.

Them's fightin' words, boy!

[CCIWchamps]

I am pretty sure he never traveled or fouled anyone in his entire career.

except for Russell of the Utah Jazz = who he shoved out of the way with one hand before going up for the game-winning shot in the NBA finals.

I thought we weren't supposed to discuss NBA in here amongst the purists!
(and if we do, maybe we shouldn't start off with heresy!)

[augie_superfan]

Hope is the fastest paced team of the four and its by a wide margin.  The Hope/Hanover game looks to be a great clash of styles with a pretty significant difference in possessions per game of nearly 30, one of the widest in the 1st round.  Augustana and Webster are nearly identical in pace, but a full 15 behind Hope.  Either way, the 2nd round game figures to be another clash of styles.

Sac, if you see this, I was wondering what formula you are using for possesions since it seems that a difference of 30 per game is pretty huge for a non "system" team.  If it is true, I hope Augie doesn't have to play them as that may be a disadvantage with all our big guys having to get up and down the court.

[A Lover of the Game]

Does anyone know if the games can be viewed online?

[markerickson]

Daley is a fuc*^ng idiot who screwed Chicago big time.  I'm soooooo glad I do not live in Chicago.  Rahm in DOA.

[John Gleich]

Hope is the fastest paced team of the four and its by a wide margin.  The Hope/Hanover game looks to be a great clash of styles with a pretty significant difference in possessions per game of nearly 30, one of the widest in the 1st round.  Augustana and Webster are nearly identical in pace, but a full 15 behind Hope.  Either way, the 2nd round game figures to be another clash of styles.

Sac, if you see this, I was wondering what formula you are using for possesions since it seems that a difference of 30 per game is pretty huge for a non "system" team.  If it is true, I hope Augie doesn't have to play them as that may be a disadvantage with all our big guys having to get up and down the court.

Possessions = Field Goal attempts - Offensive rebounds + Turnovers + .475*(Free Throw Attempts)


Look at the scores... Augie has had 5 games where they didn't break 60 (one where they didn't even break 50) and 12 games where they didn't break 70.  They had 4 games north of 80 and didn't have any games in the 90's.

Hope had 6 games where they didn't break 70 and just one where they didn't break 60.  They were north of 80 14 times, broke 90 7 times and 100 3 times... and even scores 110 in a game.

If you look purely at field goal attempts per game, Hope averages 60 field goals per game and Augie averages 51.  If you double that, that's 18 more shots taken per game... and it doesn't take into account other instances where a possession occurs.

[augie_superfan]

Hope is the fastest paced team of the four and its by a wide margin.  The Hope/Hanover game looks to be a great clash of styles with a pretty significant difference in possessions per game of nearly 30, one of the widest in the 1st round.  Augustana and Webster are nearly identical in pace, but a full 15 behind Hope.  Either way, the 2nd round game figures to be another clash of styles.

Sac, if you see this, I was wondering what formula you are using for possesions since it seems that a difference of 30 per game is pretty huge for a non "system" team.  If it is true, I hope Augie doesn't have to play them as that may be a disadvantage with all our big guys having to get up and down the court.

Possessions = Field Goal attempts - Offensive rebounds + Turnovers + .475*(Free Throw Attempts)


Look at the scores... Augie has had 5 games where they didn't break 60 (one where they didn't even break 50) and 12 games where they didn't break 70.  They had 4 games north of 80 and didn't have any games in the 90's.

Hope had 6 games where they didn't break 70 and just one where they didn't break 60.  They were north of 80 14 times, broke 90 7 times and 100 3 times... and even scores 110 in a game.

If you look purely at field goal attempts per game, Hope averages 60 field goals per game and Augie averages 51.  If you double that, that's 18 more shots taken per game... and it doesn't take into account other instances where a possession occurs.

I guess I don't understand why you are doubling the number.  I'd think that if Hope had 9 more shots a game, then the difference in the 2 teams' possesions would be roughly 9 (assuming all else is equal)....what part of this am I missing?  I must be making it more difficult than it is.

[iwu70]

Sadly, I won't be in MSP this weekend.  Have alerted all my MSP and IWU friends/alums in the area.  Some of my good MSP friends are pulling for the Tommies.  Carleton friends are still pissed bigtime about not getting in.  

Commuting HK-MSP would be possible, but it won't happen for me until a Titan's FINAL FOUR, men or women. I'll be watching the video stream and "live stats" with great interest -- Saturday morning and Sunday morning HK time for me.  Wish I could be there to see the games in person.

Sunny and in the mid-60s here today on Tolo's shores, on The Chinese University of Hong Kong campus, near "fragrant harbour."  

Good luck to all the teams this weekend.  Should be a great weekend of high-quality DIII hoops.    

GO TITANS!

[John Gleich]

Hope is the fastest paced team of the four and its by a wide margin.  The Hope/Hanover game looks to be a great clash of styles with a pretty significant difference in possessions per game of nearly 30, one of the widest in the 1st round.  Augustana and Webster are nearly identical in pace, but a full 15 behind Hope.  Either way, the 2nd round game figures to be another clash of styles.

Sac, if you see this, I was wondering what formula you are using for possesions since it seems that a difference of 30 per game is pretty huge for a non "system" team.  If it is true, I hope Augie doesn't have to play them as that may be a disadvantage with all our big guys having to get up and down the court.

Possessions = Field Goal attempts - Offensive rebounds + Turnovers + .475*(Free Throw Attempts)


Look at the scores... Augie has had 5 games where they didn't break 60 (one where they didn't even break 50) and 12 games where they didn't break 70.  They had 4 games north of 80 and didn't have any games in the 90's.

Hope had 6 games where they didn't break 70 and just one where they didn't break 60.  They were north of 80 14 times, broke 90 7 times and 100 3 times... and even scores 110 in a game.

If you look purely at field goal attempts per game, Hope averages 60 field goals per game and Augie averages 51.  If you double that, that's 18 more shots taken per game... and it doesn't take into account other instances where a possession occurs.

I guess I don't understand why you are doubling the number.  I'd think that if Hope had 9 more shots a game, then the difference in the 2 teams' possesions would be roughly 9 (assuming all else is equal)....what part of this am I missing?  I must be making it more difficult than it is.

Hope averages 9 more field goals per game, thus their opponents also shoot 9 more field goals per game.  That's where the 30 extra possessions (15 offensive, 15 defensive) comes from.

The possession calculation isn't foolproof... the piece that I have often wondered about is the .475 multiplier for free throw attempts... This number may be higher or lower for different teams, but it's fixed in this calculation and so there will be some discrepancies...  But if you look at the other pieces, they really go into what defines a possession... the shots you take (doesn't matter if they're 2's or 3's) minus the offensive rebounds (no additional possession here...) plus turnovers.  How else can a possession be defined?