MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

[Titan Q]

I just have a random question that I was wondering about. Does anyone know if coaches at the D3 level typically get bonus pay for things like winning the conference, winning percentage, post season wins, etc.?

I know the salaries they make are not among the highest of careers out there, but I just wondered if they could possibly earn additional compensation by achieving certain objectives.

I have no ulterior motives with my question, just curious as to whether or not achievements on the floor mean extra cash!

Like for instance, does IWU say... "Ok Rose, we don't care how you do it, but you gotta beat Augustana twice this year and if you do, you get a little extra in your paycheck!"

I've never heard of anything like that at the Division III level.  Coaches are evaluated regularly by their A.D. and the administration, and given pay raises on occasion based on performance...as happens in most jobs.  But I don't think there there are bonuses paid for conference titles, NCAA appearances, etc.

[Pat Coleman]

I know Mike Lonergan got a bonus at Catholic for winning the national title but I have no idea if it was part of his contract.

[AndOne]

Good test for NCC @ Augie tomorrow.  We'll see how far they've come.  Augie, even without Scarlata, is going to be very tough at Carver.  Of course, would love to see NCC put a loss on Augie early on. 

IWU70

The Cardinals were pleased to grant your wish, IWU70

I'd say Professor Raridon's students earned an A+ on their test last night.
Especially considering the hostile environment in which the test was administered, and the fact the Cards were forced to take the exam without even having all their tools available.   

[markerickson]

I also tried watching the NP/IWU game while at the in-laws, but Sidearm wouldn't load. 

In terms of padding a coaching salary at the D3 level,  I think summer camps are what schools choose to do instead of a bonus for an in-season accomplishment.  If you gain a reputation, then parents will send their kids to your summer camp.  I did work at UW-Platteville while Bo Ryan was winning national championships there.  Holy cow!  He had most of the summer filled with camps.  Camps varied in length too.  We are talking A LOT of kids rotating through the Platteville gym, paying good money to receive instruction.  Similarly, the University of Minnesota wrestling coach, J. Robinson, operates numerous camps during the summer.  J takes it to another level as he has camps running outside the state of MN.  That is Golden supplementary income, no doubt.

[AndOne]

I just have a random question that I was wondering about. Does anyone know if coaches at the D3 level typically get bonus pay for things like winning the conference, winning percentage, post season wins, etc.?

I know the salaries they make are not among the highest of careers out there, but I just wondered if they could possibly earn additional compensation by achieving certain objectives.

I have no ulterior motives with my question, just curious as to whether or not achievements on the floor mean extra cash!

Like for instance, does IWU say... "Ok Rose, we don't care how you do it, but you gotta beat Augustana twice this year and if you do, you get a little extra in your paycheck!"

I've never heard of anything like that at the Division III level.  Coaches are evaluated regularly by their A.D. and the administration, and given pay raises on occasion based on performance...as happens in most jobs.  But I don't think there there are bonuses paid for conference titles, NCAA appearances, etc.

And success isn't even a guarantee of a raise/bonus. 3 years ago Cornell, IA won their conference title and made the national tournament, and the coach was told his salary the next year would be 20% LESS!

[iwu70]

Yes, AndOne, seems the Cardinals passed their stern Carver test with flying colors.  Thanks to them for granting my wish.  I now hope the Titans have as successful an exam at the Shirk on Tuesday evening.  Seeing the Doggies at 1-2 this early in the Conference season would indeed be a happy report card.   Titans will have to bring their "A" game to get it done.  WC-Augie and WC-NCC games down the road are surely going to be interesting match-ups as well.

Good to see Victor Davis have a career day at NP and build his confidence for the remaining tough games in the trenches of the CCIW season.  Also nice to realize that six out of the ten in the current IWU rotation are underclassmen, all but one are sophomores or freshmen.  (and this doesn't include the injured, out for the season Brady Zimmer, a sophomore too!).  4-5 excellent players from the JV squad not included in this current varsity depth.

Looks like Augie runs a similar, lengthy rotation in and out, given the minutes recorded by numerous Augie players vs. NCC.  Makes the NCC win even more impressive.   

IWU70 

[AndOne]

I watched the On Demand broadcast of last night's Augie/NCC game.  (The link is here for those interested - http://client.stretchinternet.com/client/augustana.portal#.)  A few thoughts from the game...

* First, it's always a pleasure listening to the broadcast team of Chris Ford and Dan Sand.  They do a great job of serving as the home team announcers, while also being very balanced and respectful of the opponent.  Chris and Dan are very knowledgeable about the CCIW and are able to throw in helpful information about the league throughout their broadcasts.

I think this is a good example of the difference between listening to adult broadcasters vs listening to a broadcast featuring students. While you have to admire the youthful exuberance of students, they often carry their loyalty to the extreme. On the other hand, adult broadcasters are often better prepared, know the league as a whole much better, and, while still homers, pay tribute and give credit to the opposition when merited.

[Titan Q]

Coach G will be on Hoopsville at about 6:20pm CST...

http://www.ustream.tv/channel/hoopsville

[Gregory Sager]

* From watching this game, I believe Augustana has been significantly hurt by Luke Scarlata's departure.  The difference in Kevin Schlitter/Brandon Kunz at the 5 vs Scarlata is big.

I don't agree ... not so much in terms of the relative degree to which Augie has been hurt by Scarlata's departure (which I think is still an open question),  but in terms of whether yesterday's game was any sort of an accurate barometer of it. NCC was in a zone for most of the game, and one of the primary reasons for using a zone is to limit touches by low-post players. Scarlata, who was only averaging six shot attempts per game and about two and a half free-throw attempts per game when he left the team, would've had very few touches in yesterday's game, let alone shot attempts and/or free-throw attempts. As has been chronicled by everyone who saw the contest (including both of us), Augustana's answer to the NCC zone was to launch a constant barrage of trey attempts, relatively few of which went in. Augie's new big-man quartet of Dexter, Norton, Kunz, and Schlitter attempted only eleven shots and six free throws between the four of them for the entire game. Even if Scarlata was present to assume a big chunk of them -- and he was hardly the kind of player who constantly crowded his fellow big men out of shots -- he would've had so few of them that he almost certainly would not have made a difference. And, as I said before, he was defensively not up to par with his three big-man peers among the Doggies, so it's not as though he was missed at that end of the floor.

And how did Augie's four bigs perform when they did manage to get the ball in their hands? They went 6-11 from the field and hit 5 of their 6 free throws. It's unlikely that Scarlata would've improved upon that, or at least enough to close the deficit, especially since he was only a .654 FT shooter.

I'm certainly not the first basketball observer to say this, but a big man can't dominate the game if he never gets the ball.

* I thought the Vikings did a poor job of attacking NCC's zone.  I'm no X's and O's expert, but it seems the teams that attack zones the most effectively get the ball to someone at the FT line, or just inside of it, in the lane.  That player can either knock down the mid-range jumpshot, go to the basket, make a high/low pass to the low post, or kick it out for a 3.  While I don't think Augie has a 4/5 player (Dexter, Schlitter, Norton, Kunz) well suited for that role, 6-9 Bryant Voiles would seem to be perfect.  I was surprised Augie did not use Voiles as the 4, with one other big and 3 shooters outside, and consistently get it to him at the FT line.  Sure Augie got great 3-point looks off the NCC zone, but they did not "attack" the zone at all...they just lived with those 3's the Cardinals gave them.

The probable reason why Giovanine didn't put a shooter/passer (Voiles) at the high post is because, as you said, NCC used a 3-2 zone. You don't attack a 3-2 zone with a high-post shooter/passer. That's what you use against a 2-3 zone. You attack a 3-2 zone by moving your two bigs midway up the lane and to either side. This page does a nice job of dissecting the standard offense used to counter a 3-2 zone.

[Gregory Sager]

Greg,

Last night was my first 'in person' game, but I have seen bits of several games via online video.  I am really impressed with Dylan Howard and how he is shaping and improving this year's team.  I think he will do a great job for North Park.

I am, too. I'm seeing improvement in skills and reads by the Vikings that I haven't seen much of in recent years. As much of a struggle as this year has been thus far, I'm growing more and more convinced that Jack Surridge made the right hire in bringing Dylan Howard to NPU.

Any idea where he stands in terms of recruiting, or at least building relationships with high schools?  Gabriel and Holmes will make a great foundation, but a lot of experience will be lost after this season.

No idea, really, but he's certainly been out there on the recruiting trail. A lot of it will depend upon recruiting coordinator Chris Edquist, of course, and upon Allen Odum.

NPU is going to need several varsity-ready players in next year's crop of newbies, because the Gabriel/Holmes window only lasts for one more year. Unfortunately, the freshman class from two years ago had little to show for it even when it came in (and it's now down to nothing), what should've been an outstanding freshman class last season disintegrated for the most part due to players deciding to transfer out or to academic problems, and this year's freshman class, while not without its virtues, is not as deep or as talented as it ought to be, owing to the coaching change during the most crucial month of the year in terms of recruiting.

Sorry I couldn't chat at halftime.  My daughter started running onto the court.....

Hey, at least she wasn't wearing green. You have no idea how many NPU fans I had to yell at yesterday for wearing the colors of the bad guys. People need to pay more attention to the schedule.

[Gregory Sager]

I watched the On Demand broadcast of last night's Augie/NCC game.  (The link is here for those interested - http://client.stretchinternet.com/client/augustana.portal#.)  A few thoughts from the game...

* First, it's always a pleasure listening to the broadcast team of Chris Ford and Dan Sand.  They do a great job of serving as the home team announcers, while also being very balanced and respectful of the opponent.  Chris and Dan are very knowledgeable about the CCIW and are able to throw in helpful information about the league throughout their broadcasts.

I think this is a good example of the difference between listening to adult broadcasters vs listening to a broadcast featuring students. While you have to admire the youthful exuberance of students, they often carry their loyalty to the extreme. On the other hand, adult broadcasters are often better prepared, know the league as a whole much better, and, while still homers, pay tribute and give credit to the opposition when merited.

I agree with both of you. Not often I can do that in one post.

[Titan Q]

Coach G will be on Hoopsville at about 6:20pm CST...

http://www.ustream.tv/channel/hoopsville

Dave McHugh rambling/stalling as they try to locate their guest...help 'em out Coach G!  Discussion of Mary Washington's new gym not compelling!

[AndOne]

I watched the On Demand broadcast of last night's Augie/NCC game.  (The link is here for those interested - http://client.stretchinternet.com/client/augustana.portal#.)  A few thoughts from the game...

* First, it's always a pleasure listening to the broadcast team of Chris Ford and Dan Sand.  They do a great job of serving as the home team announcers, while also being very balanced and respectful of the opponent.  Chris and Dan are very knowledgeable about the CCIW and are able to throw in helpful information about the league throughout their broadcasts.

I think this is a good example of the difference between listening to adult broadcasters vs listening to a broadcast featuring students. While you have to admire the youthful exuberance of students, they often carry their loyalty to the extreme. On the other hand, adult broadcasters are often better prepared, know the league as a whole much better, and, while still homers, pay tribute and give credit to the opposition when merited.

I agree with both of you. Not often I can do that in one post.

And its also infrequently that I can agree with TQ and, accordingly, that both of us can agree with you!   

[AndOne]

Coach G will be on Hoopsville at about 6:20pm CST...

http://www.ustream.tv/channel/hoopsville

Dave McHugh rambling/stalling as they try to locate their guest...help 'em out Coach G!  Discussion of Mary Washington's new gym not compelling!

Perhaps Coach G was as confused as to time and place tonight as was his game plan vs NCC's zone last evening.     

[Gregory Sager]

It's just not Sunday night without seeing D-Mac bob his head in polite agreement as coach after coach spin-doctors his way through the conversation.