MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

[bopol]

RE: Rankings...

I am surprised that Augie ended up ahead of Grinnell, but whatever.  It doesn't matter now that they lost to Wheaton as they are in a clear "get an auto bid or else" scenario.  And probably so is Grinnell.

I think the record vs. regionally ranked is lame.  SOS is fine, but needs a tweet so that a team like Augie doesn't get punished for playing lots of good and lots of crummy teams, which I think is a more challenging schedule than playing mostly mediocre schedules. 

I think that NCC, Wheaton and IWU are one win away from the tournament.  I think that Lake Forest, Transylvania and Washington (obviously) will make the tournament if they lose their conference tournament, but I'm not sure about Concordia (WI), which will depend of the lack of other upsets.

[iwu70]

Gotta hope Transy and Lake Forest get in via Pool A. 

Best hope might be IWU and NCC in tourney finals, WC gets in, NCC wins the AQ and perhaps IWU just barely squeezes in if not too many upsets.  Would love to see three CCIW teams in, and Augie sitting on the sidelines.  I'm probably dream'in. 

Should be a great tourney this weekend.

GO TITANS!!!

IWU70

[Gregory Sager]

Greg, so is this how you would like the regional rankings to work or do I just not understand?


Example with 4 ranked teams and then a 5th team that is the first out of the rankings.  If they first decide these rankings with the 4 criteria and leave out vs.RRO to start, we have this scenario:

1. Team A
2. Team B
3. Team C
4. Team D

out of rankings
5. Team E

so now the committee adds in vs. RRO results and maybe it looks like this:

1. Team A  2-0
2. Team B  2-0
3. Team C  1-1
4. Team D  0-2

out of rankings
5. Team E  1-0

So would you propose to just then ONCE reorder the teams?  What if the committee now thought Team E should move into 4th place and with Team D moving out of the rankings?  That's fine but then you would need to recalculate the vs. RRO records, right?  Lets say in the example that Teams A & B both beat Team D, well now Team D is 5th and not ranked, so we need to reduce their records to both 1-0.  Doesn't this seem like a possible never-ending circle?

Just curious what you are really getting at?

Yes, you've got the gist of it. It's not really a never-ending circle, as there's a pretty finite amount of data and only a limited number of teams that are really worthy of being considered by the committee in any particular week. As Pat said, this is pretty much the way it used to be done.

[NCF]

Greg, so is this how you would like the regional rankings to work or do I just not understand?


Example with 4 ranked teams and then a 5th team that is the first out of the rankings.  If they first decide these rankings with the 4 criteria and leave out vs.RRO to start, we have this scenario:

1. Team A
2. Team B
3. Team C
4. Team D

out of rankings
5. Team E

so now the committee adds in vs. RRO results and maybe it looks like this:

1. Team A  2-0
2. Team B  2-0
3. Team C  1-1
4. Team D  0-2

out of rankings
5. Team E  1-0

So would you propose to just then ONCE reorder the teams?  What if the committee now thought Team E should move into 4th place and with Team D moving out of the rankings?  That's fine but then you would need to recalculate the vs. RRO records, right?  Lets say in the example that Teams A & B both beat Team D, well now Team D is 5th and not ranked, so we need to reduce their records to both 1-0.  Doesn't this seem like a possible never-ending circle?

Just curious what you are really getting at?

Yes, you've got the gist of it. It's not really a never-ending circle, as there's a pretty finite amount of data and only a limited number of teams that are really worthy of being considered by the committee in any particular week. As Pat said, this is pretty much the way it used to be done.

Which makes sense-but if there is one thing I've learned in my teaching career,if it makes sense-we don't do it

[und63]

Will there be any video for the 2 games tomorrow night from NCC?

[TitansIWU]

Will there be any video for the 2 games tomorrow night from NCC?

http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2012/02/broadcast

[Gregory Sager]

Greg, so is this how you would like the regional rankings to work or do I just not understand?


Example with 4 ranked teams and then a 5th team that is the first out of the rankings.  If they first decide these rankings with the 4 criteria and leave out vs.RRO to start, we have this scenario:

1. Team A
2. Team B
3. Team C
4. Team D

out of rankings
5. Team E

so now the committee adds in vs. RRO results and maybe it looks like this:

1. Team A  2-0
2. Team B  2-0
3. Team C  1-1
4. Team D  0-2

out of rankings
5. Team E  1-0

So would you propose to just then ONCE reorder the teams?  What if the committee now thought Team E should move into 4th place and with Team D moving out of the rankings?  That's fine but then you would need to recalculate the vs. RRO records, right?  Lets say in the example that Teams A & B both beat Team D, well now Team D is 5th and not ranked, so we need to reduce their records to both 1-0.  Doesn't this seem like a possible never-ending circle?

Just curious what you are really getting at?

Yes, you've got the gist of it. It's not really a never-ending circle, as there's a pretty finite amount of data and only a limited number of teams that are really worthy of being considered by the committee in any particular week. As Pat said, this is pretty much the way it used to be done.

Which makes sense-but if there is one thing I've learned in my teaching career,if it makes sense-we don't do it

Hey, we're a league that doesn't make sense. We changed the men's basketball schedule in a way that only benefits one school in the league, and it's the same school that we once kicked out of the league; we berate our oldest fans for their obnoxious behavior at games rather than our student sections; we all know how to pronounce "Djurickovic" but not "Dylan"; and our most colorful coach is named Grey.

[cciwrabblerouser]

Greg Sager wrote:  "Hey, we're a league that doesn't make sense. We changed the men's basketball schedule in a way that only benefits one school in the league, and it's the same school that we once kicked out of the league; we berate our oldest fans for their obnoxious behavior at games rather than our student sections; we all know how to pronounce "Djurickovic" but not "Dylan"; and our most colorful coach is named Grey."

I hereby proclaim that  Mr. Sager is definitely, absolutely, non-controversially, most-assuredly in post-season form!  Let the games begin.

[NCF]

Greg, so is this how you would like the regional rankings to work or do I just not understand?


Example with 4 ranked teams and then a 5th team that is the first out of the rankings.  If they first decide these rankings with the 4 criteria and leave out vs.RRO to start, we have this scenario:

1. Team A
2. Team B
3. Team C
4. Team D

out of rankings
5. Team E

so now the committee adds in vs. RRO results and maybe it looks like this:

1. Team A  2-0
2. Team B  2-0
3. Team C  1-1
4. Team D  0-2

out of rankings
5. Team E  1-0

So would you propose to just then ONCE reorder the teams?  What if the committee now thought Team E should move into 4th place and with Team D moving out of the rankings?  That's fine but then you would need to recalculate the vs. RRO records, right?  Lets say in the example that Teams A & B both beat Team D, well now Team D is 5th and not ranked, so we need to reduce their records to both 1-0.  Doesn't this seem like a possible never-ending circle?

Just curious what you are really getting at?

Yes, you've got the gist of it. It's not really a never-ending circle, as there's a pretty finite amount of data and only a limited number of teams that are really worthy of being considered by the committee in any particular week. As Pat said, this is pretty much the way it used to be done.

Which makes sense-but if there is one thing I've learned in my teaching career,if it makes sense-we don't do it

Hey, we're a league that doesn't make sense. We changed the men's basketball schedule in a way that only benefits one school in the league, and it's the same school that we once kicked out of the league; we berate our oldest fans for their obnoxious behavior at games rather than our student sections; we all know how to pronounce "Djurickovic" but not "Dylan"; and our most colorful coach is named Grey.

I only know how to pronounce "Dylan" because you spelled it out quite nicely a few posts ago. The other name I would butcher and I sometimes wish I had a kid playing so I would have gotten to see Grey and the "Senior Class" live in all their glory!

[Hoosier Titan]

... we berate our oldest fans for their obnoxious behavior at games rather than our student sections....

Not me, I berated them both!  And then the students surprised me by saying "thank you" to the seniors.

Nice post.

[NCF]

... we berate our oldest fans for their obnoxious behavior at games rather than our student sections....

Not me, I berated them both!  And then the students surprised me by saying "thank you" to the seniors.

Nice post.

Hahahahaha.K+

[Titan Q]

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[thunder38]

Interesting night on the bubble tonight with some conference top seeds going down and crowding the Pool C picture: 

St. Josephs(L.I.) #3 Atlantic
St. Mary's(Md.) #3 Mid-Atlantic

Augustana just got moved further to the back of the line and it's very possible their bubble may have been one that popped tonight.

[thunder38]

I don't think Augie's poor performance at Wheaton on Tuesday was a surprise. I don't buy the "Augie just had a bad game" theory. Following is the number of points Augie has scored on the road in CCIW play: 64 (@ Millikin);  63 (2 IWU); 55 (@ Elmhurst); 41 (@ NCC); 59 (@ NPU); 74 (in overtime @ Carthage). That's an average of 59 points per game.  Against IWU and NCC on the road , Augie's average point total was only 52. Augustana has demonstrated that scoring on the road is a huge problem. Scoring in the low 50s against NCC Friday would be a step-up for the Augustana offense.

Regarding the Wheaton/IWU game Friday, one factor to consider is Wheaton's performance at NCC. I think that Wheaton's win there on Feb. 11 was their first win at Gregory Arena since 2004 (I might be wrong about that-If so please corrrect me). Wheaton lost to Augustana at NCC last year in the conference tournament. Gregory Arena can be a very tough place to play. I doubt if this factor will have a major impact on the Wheaton/IWU game on Friday as IWU played it's poorest CCIW game at NCC in January (an 82-69 win by NCC). The game could easily turn into a defensive struggle.

IMHO: Wheaton has been a different and better team since they have focused on the passing the ball more issue.  The coaches have noted it since the NCC game in after game interviews.  The biggest factor is teams just cant focus on Mcrary and expect to win.  If they play like they have been they have a good chance winning one or both games. As I posted before Wheaton can go as far as their passing game takes them.
Go Wheaton!

"passing game"?

where's Keith Bishop and Steve Thonn when you need them?   

Well played Mauer, well played

[AndOne]

********************THE FOLLOWING IS A PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT FROM ANDONE ENTERPRISES*********************

The following information is provided for D3Hoops/CCIW fans planning on attending Friday's CCIW basketball tournament games at North Central College in Naperville-----

1. Weather---As of the 10:00 PM news Thurs night, 4.6 inches of snow is predicted for the Aurora-Naperville area by noon Friday. As of right now, its still just raining lightly.

2. Conference indoor track championships----Please keep in mind that NCC will also be hosting the CCIW men's and women's indoor championships this weekend. Events commence at 11:00 AM Friday in the Res/Rec Center which is the building immediately east of Merner Fieldhouse where the basketball games will be played.

3. Parking---The track meet will undoubtedly consume the vast majority, if not all, of the parking spots in the lot directly across from the gym, and at the top of the drive/street leading down to the Res/Rec Center and Merner Fieldhouse. Fans arriving for the basketball action should probably not entertain thoughts of being able to park on campus. There may be parking on some of the streets surrounding campus. Parking on the downtown streets and small city lots on Saturday mornings in Naperville is a zoo, but some spots usually open up by late afternoon before the arrival of the crowds for Naperville's very active nightlife scene. Downtown, for those not familiar, is only 2-3 blocks from the NCC campus.

Due to the above, your best bet may be to park in either of the 2 City Of Naperville parking garages. There is a 3 story garage with about 450 spaces on Chicago Ave, just east of Washington St. This is only about 2 blocks from Merner Fieldhouse. The facility runs between Chicago and Jefferson, the next street north. There is an entrance on both Chicago and Jefferson.
IF YOU PARK IN THIS GARAGE---Directly across from the Chicago Ave entrance, on the south side of Chicago is a small strip mall with Slice Pizza on the west end and Bangkok Village on the east end. Walk about 20 yards up the hill east from Bangkok Village restaurant to the big round cement garbage bin. There you will find a sidewalk heading south toward the NCC football field. Take the sidewalk slightly downhill between the strip mall and the dorm on your left. You will come out near the north end of the football stadium. Merner Fieldhouse is the 1st building immediately east of the stadium. 

The 2nd City garage, with about 800 spaces is a few blocks farther away. it is on Van Buren St, 1/2 block west of Washington. It runs between Van Buren and Benton, the next street north. There are entrances both on Van Buren and Benton. Walk out of the garage and go 1/2 block east to Washington. Walk south on Washington to Chicago. Turn left/east on Chicago, and follow the above directions to complete your walk to Merner Fieldhouse. The Van Buren garage is about 5-6 blocks northwest of Merner.

Even with these garages, there are no guarantees. The track meet will likely take up all on campus parking anywhere close to the gym. However, being as though the basketball tourney begins Friday, the garages should not be as full as they are on Saturdays when downtown Naperville is busy all day and night.

**SEATING---I understand there will be assigned seating on the main floor of Merner. For the Wheaton/Wesleyan game, Wheaton, as the higher seed, will be assigned the black folding seats on the risers. Wheaton will also be assigned specific sections of the main floor bleachers, as well Wesleyan.

AFTER THE 1ST GAME, ALL FANS SEATED ON THE MAIN FLOOR WILL HAVE TO VACATE THEIR MAIN FLOOR SEATS AND FIND SEATS IN THE BALCONY AS THE MAIN FLOOR SEATS WILL BE ASSIGNED TO NORTH CENTRAL AND AUGIE FANS. NCC, BEING THE #1 SEED, WILL BE ASSIGNED THE BLACK FOLDING CHAIRS.