MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

[NCF]

Awwww, I think he's A-DORE-ABLE. The kiddies must love him. I would have a talk with his barber however. That part in the middle is so 1954.

who get's the rear-end - the guy that called the cops on the North Park students?   

That job goes to former President.  He retired and abbra cadabra we got the new mascot. 

But there will be a fight for that job after the current President's term is over

[bigz61550]

This brings up a whole new issue in my mind. If the very manufacturer of the costume chooses to list the mastodon under the "elephants" category, they must hold the belief that the modern day elephant EVOLVED from the mastodon.

If the "crusader" was rejected, it seems that the mastodon as a choice might give the impression that Wheaton, as an institution, believes in the theory of evolution...Wait! What?

Actually, Good pickup.  Yes, Wheaton does not dismiss evolution.   Differing from some Christian institutions, Wheaton takes the sciences very seriously and anyone who does this knows the bible is not a scientific book.

Good point as some people think Christian denominations are all or nothing when it comes to scientific theories of evolution.

I took two Intro level Geology classes at Wheaton in 1965 (I don't think there has been a change in approach yet) and my professor did an excellent job of staying in middle.  He did not take a strong position on either side and taught us a lot about science might support how he reads the Bible. 

While Wheaton is a conservative Christian school, I would say they are far from the most conservative gschools out there.  I get a kick out of the jabs you all give Wheaton and would love to see your comments on some of the more extreme schools. 

[Titan Q]

This would suck...

http://citizensvoice.com/sports/king-s-leading-scorer-picks-spring-break-over-tournament-1.1282736#axzz1oYd4L98M

[Mr. Ypsi]

This would suck...

http://citizensvoice.com/sports/king-s-leading-scorer-picks-spring-break-over-tournament-1.1282736#axzz1oYd4L98M

Wow - talk about burning your bridges!  I doubt she'll be welcomed at any reunions.

[Mr. Ypsi]

The closest to a 'homer' vote may be Hugenerd putting MIT #1, but that is a perfectly defensible vote, and I don't think he was ever the ONLY #1 vote for them. 

That sounds like you just "outed" Hugenerd. I don't ever remember him claiming that he had MIT #1 in is poll. Glad to hear that he's a homer though.

I haven't gone through past posts to check, but I was sure he had self-identified when I posted that.  If not, my apologies to Hugenerd, as my policy is to be discrete about posters' ballots until THEY have released the information.

[NCF]

This would suck...

http://citizensvoice.com/sports/king-s-leading-scorer-picks-spring-break-over-tournament-1.1282736#axzz1oYd4L98M

Wow - talk about burning your bridges!  I doubt she'll be welcomed at any reunions.

It is hard to believe a SENIOR with one last shot at a title, would not choose to postpone the trip and play the game. Some day she will regret it and you're right, she definitely won't be welcome at any reunions(unless they win)

[Always.A.Titan]

This would suck...

http://citizensvoice.com/sports/king-s-leading-scorer-picks-spring-break-over-tournament-1.1282736#axzz1oYd4L98M

Wow - talk about burning your bridges!  I doubt she'll be welcomed at any reunions.

It is hard to believe a SENIOR with one last shot at a title, would not choose to postpone the trip and play the game. Some day she will regret it and you're right, she definitely won't be welcome at any reunions(unless they win)

If they made it to the final 4, would she even be welcomed back to the team?

[TitansIWU]

There's no "I" in team, but there is in MexIco!

[Just Bill]

This would suck...

http://citizensvoice.com/sports/king-s-leading-scorer-picks-spring-break-over-tournament-1.1282736#axzz1oYd4L98M

Wow - talk about burning your bridges!  I doubt she'll be welcomed at any reunions.

It is hard to believe a SENIOR with one last shot at a title, would not choose to postpone the trip and play the game. Some day she will regret it and you're right, she definitely won't be welcome at any reunions(unless they win)

If they made it to the final 4, would she even be welcomed back to the team?

They've removed her name from the roster, so I'd say that's big no.

Considering her two NCAA Tournament performances were far below her season average, I can't help but think if she was trying to submarine her team to avoid this decision. I doubt that's the case, but it's not hard to make that connection.

[diehardfan]

This brings up a whole new issue in my mind. If the very manufacturer of the costume chooses to list the mastodon under the "elephants" category, they must hold the belief that the modern day elephant EVOLVED from the mastodon.

If the "crusader" was rejected, it seems that the mastodon as a choice might give the impression that Wheaton, as an institution, believes in the theory of evolution...Wait! What?

Actually, Good pickup.  Yes, Wheaton does not dismiss evolution.   Differing from some Christian institutions, Wheaton takes the sciences very seriously and anyone who does this knows the bible is not a scientific book.

Good point as some people think Christian denominations are all or nothing when it comes to scientific theories of evolution.

I took two Intro level Geology classes at Wheaton in 1965 (I don't think there has been a change in approach yet) and my professor did an excellent job of staying in middle.  He did not take a strong position on either side and taught us a lot about science might support how he reads the Bible. 

While Wheaton is a conservative Christian school, I would say they are far from the most conservative gschools out there.  I get a kick out of the jabs you all give Wheaton and would love to see your comments on some of the more extreme schools.

Having studied science at Wheaton (Environmental Science specifically, which includes Bio, Geo, and Chem classes), and having been a TA for Geology lab, etc. I am probably the best person to answer this. First off, there are two forms of evolution, macro, and micro. Macro would be evolution to the point that species can no longer interbreed, micro being small genetic variations like colors changing slightly, etc. Dog breeds would be a good example of the latter. Pretty much everyone believes in this or they're stupid and crazy since it happens all the time.

While probably the majority of the students at Wheaton do not believe in macroevolution, I would say that pretty much every professor in the science department that I encountered did, thought not all had exactly the same theories of how that integrates with their faith and biblical accounts. They were also remarkably respectful of everyone's beliefs, but made the students learn the generally accepted information about various scientific issues. In classes where origins would come up (we actually have a 2 hr class on it, though I did not take it), they would also mention the fact that even evolutionary theory is very diverse, as well as all the other theories out there. The Theology department would probably slant toward the other way.

Wheaton is very firmly non-denominational. There are some "non-negotiables", but they allow for a wide diversity when it comes to matters of opinion.

BTW, this whole topic is kind of moot since species extinction, including organisms such as mastadons, does not really relate to evolution. While evolution includes the ideas of "bridge" species" that don't exist anymore, it's primary focus is on the creation of new species. It's not a if A:B than B:A scenario. Species become extinct pretty much daily, but that fact does not necessarily mean that evolution is true. As an environmentalist who as seen the affects of human activity, invasive species and how they lead to less diversity, I would argue that the world is becoming less diverse (which also does not necessarily mean evolution is false).

haha..... okay that was way too detailed....

Anyway our new mascot is weird.

[WheatonFanChris]

Having studied science at Wheaton (Environmental Science specifically, which includes Bio, Geo, and Chem classes), and having been a TA for Geology lab, etc. I am probably the best person to answer this. First off, there are two forms of evolution, macro, and micro. Macro would be evolution to the point that species can no longer interbreed, micro being small genetic variations like colors changing slightly, etc. Dog breeds would be a good example of the latter. Pretty much everyone believes in this or they're stupid and crazy since it happens all the time.

While probably the majority of the students at Wheaton do not believe in macroevolution, I would say that pretty much every professor in the science department that I encountered did, thought not all had exactly the same theories of how that integrates with their faith and biblical accounts. They were also remarkably respectful of everyone's beliefs, but made the students learn the generally accepted information about various scientific issues. In classes where origins would come up (we actually have a 2 hr class on it, though I did not take it), they would also mention the fact that even evolutionary theory is very diverse, as well as all the other theories out there. The Theology department would probably slant toward the other way.

Wheaton is very firmly non-denominational. There are some "non-negotiables", but they allow for a wide diversity when it comes to matters of opinion.

I was a Bible and theology major and I'd bet that department is split, if not a majority leaning towards some sort of evolutionary theory. Maybe not straight up darwin, but also not neglecting scientific evidence. There are lots of views across the board.

But maybe what is important this week: What does Schauer think? And McCrary? Whatever they believe about the smaller points of Christianity, I hope it leads to a W and a 20-10 game! Let's go Thunder!

[AndOne]

This would suck...

http://citizensvoice.com/sports/king-s-leading-scorer-picks-spring-break-over-tournament-1.1282736#axzz1oYd4L98M

Wow - talk about burning your bridges!  I doubt she'll be welcomed at any reunions.

It is hard to believe a SENIOR with one last shot at a title, would not choose to postpone the trip and play the game. Some day she will regret it and you're right, she definitely won't be welcome at any reunions(unless they win)

If they made it to the final 4, would she even be welcomed back to the team?

They've removed her name from the roster, so I'd say that's big no.

Considering her two NCAA Tournament performances were far below her season average, I can't help but think if she was trying to submarine her team to avoid this decision. I doubt that's the case, but it's not hard to make that connection.

I think the reception she'll encounter upon her return to school will be considerably cooler than the weather she'll  experience in Mexico. And I'm not talking about just from the basketball team. Wouldn't be surprised if many of the students gave her the cold shoulder.      

[TitansIWU]

This brings up a whole new issue in my mind. If the very manufacturer of the costume chooses to list the mastodon under the "elephants" category, they must hold the belief that the modern day elephant EVOLVED from the mastodon.

If the "crusader" was rejected, it seems that the mastodon as a choice might give the impression that Wheaton, as an institution, believes in the theory of evolution...Wait! What?

Actually, Good pickup.  Yes, Wheaton does not dismiss evolution.   Differing from some Christian institutions, Wheaton takes the sciences very seriously and anyone who does this knows the bible is not a scientific book.

Good point as some people think Christian denominations are all or nothing when it comes to scientific theories of evolution.

I took two Intro level Geology classes at Wheaton in 1965 (I don't think there has been a change in approach yet) and my professor did an excellent job of staying in middle.  He did not take a strong position on either side and taught us a lot about science might support how he reads the Bible. 

While Wheaton is a conservative Christian school, I would say they are far from the most conservative gschools out there.  I get a kick out of the jabs you all give Wheaton and would love to see your comments on some of the more extreme schools.

Having studied science at Wheaton (Environmental Science specifically, which includes Bio, Geo, and Chem classes), and having been a TA for Geology lab, etc. I am probably the best person to answer this. First off, there are two forms of evolution, macro, and micro. Macro would be evolution to the point that species can no longer interbreed, micro being small genetic variations like colors changing slightly, etc. Dog breeds would be a good example of the latter. Pretty much everyone believes in this or they're stupid and crazy since it happens all the time.

While probably the majority of the students at Wheaton do not believe in macroevolution, I would say that pretty much every professor in the science department that I encountered did, thought not all had exactly the same theories of how that integrates with their faith and biblical accounts. They were also remarkably respectful of everyone's beliefs, but made the students learn the generally accepted information about various scientific issues. In classes where origins would come up (we actually have a 2 hr class on it, though I did not take it), they would also mention the fact that even evolutionary theory is very diverse, as well as all the other theories out there. The Theology department would probably slant toward the other way.

Wheaton is very firmly non-denominational. There are some "non-negotiables", but they allow for a wide diversity when it comes to matters of opinion.

BTW, this whole topic is kind of moot since species extinction, including organisms such as mastadons, does not really relate to evolution. While evolution includes the ideas of "bridge" species" that don't exist anymore, it's primary focus is on the creation of new species. It's not a if A:B than B:A scenario. Species become extinct pretty much daily, but that fact does not necessarily mean that evolution is true. As an environmentalist who as seen the affects of human activity, invasive species and how they lead to less diversity, I would argue that the world is becoming less diverse (which also does not necessarily mean evolution is false).

haha..... okay that was way too detailed....

Anyway our new mascot is weird.

I think what really makes it moot is that I based Wheaton's possible belief in evolution on a category that a mascot maker (I am assuming not affiliated with the school other than as a vendor) put the "Tor" costume in the "elephant" category, rather than creating an entire category for Mastodons.

It is more probable that putting "Tor" under elephants just suggests that the vendor believes there is almost zero likelihood that anyone will come to their website thinking... "I hope they have a Mastodon available!"


except maybe these folks... http://www.gomastodons.com/

 

[AO]

Since Northwestern and Wheaton are like-minded , I'd like to propose a swap of names.

Northwestern wants to become a university and due to some other lesser known Northwestern in the Chicago area, a name change is going to be necessary.  You Wheaties don't seem entirely happy with a thunderstruck elephant.   

Northwestern will trade our nickname the "Eagles" along with our giant golden eagle statue  and "Screech the Eagle" for the "Wheaton" name.
 
We'd also cease control of any future Billy Graham naming rights since our new student center "the Billy" has just been completed.  Perhaps you'd like to call yourself Graham university or something of the sort. 

[AndOne]

Having studied science at Wheaton (Environmental Science specifically, which includes Bio, Geo, and Chem classes), and having been a TA for Geology lab, etc. I am probably the best person to answer this. First off, there are two forms of evolution, macro, and micro. Macro would be evolution to the point that species can no longer interbreed, micro being small genetic variations like colors changing slightly, etc. Dog breeds would be a good example of the latter. Pretty much everyone believes in this or they're stupid and crazy since it happens all the time.

While probably the majority of the students at Wheaton do not believe in macroevolution, I would say that pretty much every professor in the science department that I encountered did, thought not all had exactly the same theories of how that integrates with their faith and biblical accounts. They were also remarkably respectful of everyone's beliefs, but made the students learn the generally accepted information about various scientific issues. In classes where origins would come up (we actually have a 2 hr class on it, though I did not take it), they would also mention the fact that even evolutionary theory is very diverse, as well as all the other theories out there. The Theology department would probably slant toward the other way.

Wheaton is very firmly non-denominational. There are some "non-negotiables", but they allow for a wide diversity when it comes to matters of opinion.

I was a Bible and theology major and I'd bet that department is split, if not a majority leaning towards some sort of evolutionary theory. Maybe not straight up darwin, but also not neglecting scientific evidence. There are lots of views across the board.

But maybe what is important this week: What does Schauer think? And McCrary? Whatever they believe about the smaller points of Christianity, I hope it leads to a W and a 20-10 game! Let's go Thunder!

Mmmmmmmmmm. I just love the introduction of the creation vs. evolution debate into a discussion regarding the outcome of a basketball game. Yummy!
As far as what Schauer and McCrary think, I highly doubt that they'll be contemplating the merits of either argument during the course of the game. At various points during the contest, they may well ask for the Lord's guidance and/or aid in helping to make their decisions and actions successful. And, if their efforts ultimately do prove successful, that begs several questions, among them being did the victory evolve from the decisions of the coach and the actions of the players, or was victory created as a result of said decisions and actions??