MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

[sac]

Munchie LeGaux is the QB at Cincinnati right now.....no relation.

http://www.gobearcats.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/legaux_munchie00.html

[Pat Coleman]

I don't see Augustana on the board and with a sub-.500 SOS, I think there was more that needed to be changed than one game.

I think there should be room for one game against a local rival.

Just a couple thoughts...

First, just to be clear on my end, I do not think the information conveyed in the Grey Giovanine quote is accurate: "We have been told twice in the last four years that we were among the final teams under consideration for an at-large berth, but we were left out because we did not play a full complement of Division III opponents."

I'm not saying Coach G is making that up -- but either he was given inaccurate information, interpreted something wrong, or maybe is just kind of spinning the situation this way for the St. Ambrose people and the media.  I'm confident that Augie was not left out because they "did not play a full complement of Division III opponents."  I don't think that any Midwest Region/national committee members from the last four seasons would agree with that statement.  In just looking back at last year, replacing their St. Ambrose game (which did not count) with an in-region win would not have put Augustana in.

Thanks -- this is why I responded to the initial post the way I did. ("It's a good story.") Glad you agree, because I was beginning to wonder if I were missing something.

[Dennis_Prikkel]

I don't see Augustana on the board and with a sub-.500 SOS, I think there was more that needed to be changed than one game.

I think there should be room for one game against a local rival.

Just a couple thoughts...

First, just to be clear on my end, I do not think the information conveyed in the Grey Giovanine quote is accurate: "We have been told twice in the last four years that we were among the final teams under consideration for an at-large berth, but we were left out because we did not play a full complement of Division III opponents."

I'm not saying Coach G is making that up -- but either he was given inaccurate information, interpreted something wrong, or maybe is just kind of spinning the situation this way for the St. Ambrose people and the media.  I'm confident that Augie was not left out because they "did not play a full complement of Division III opponents."  I don't think that any Midwest Region/national committee members from the last four seasons would agree with that statement.  In just looking back at last year, replacing their St. Ambrose game (which did not count) with an in-region win would not have put Augustana in.

Thanks -- this is why I responded to the initial post the way I did. ("It's a good story.") Glad you agree, because I was beginning to wonder if I were missing something.

your right Q and Pat - but if you're a gullible fan - it might be easier to swallow than "we just weren't good enough"

dgp

[kiko]

There are obviously other selection criteria -- as Pat mentioned, Augie's SOS was not exactly best-in-class -- but it seems to me that the bigger issue had less to do with whether they had 18 or 19 wins and was more related to the fact that the 7 wasn't a 6 or 5.  And whether or not the Vikes played St. Ambrose had nothing to do with that.

You do have to schedule smartly, but I think it would be a very, very, very rare instance where having that 27th game count toward your tourney credentials made the difference between dancing and staying home.

[Titan Q]

There are obviously other selection criteria -- as Pat mentioned, Augie's SOS was not exactly best-in-class -- but it seems to me that the bigger issue had less to do with whether they had 18 or 19 wins and was more related to the fact that the 7 wasn't a 6 or 5.  And whether or not the Vikes played St. Ambrose had nothing to do with that.

I agree.  You could say that Augie not making the tournament last year was because...

* They went into Wash U ranked #1 in the country and got beat -- certainly not a bad loss, but Augie had their full squad at that point and was a favorite on paper

* They lost @ Elmhurst (12-13/6-8 last year)

(Not to mention that their SOS turned out to be relatively low.)

If Augie wins both of those, they are a Pool C lock...winning just one would have put them right in the mix I think.  These games are why Augie did not make the tournament last year -- not because they played NAIA St. Ambrose.

I just think that overall, replacing St. Ambrose with an in-region D3 is probably a good call.  But Coach G's quote about what kept them out last year is not accurate.

[Titan Q]

Some photos from IWU's scrimmage @ Olivet Nazarene...

http://www.iwuhoops.com/scrimmage.html

[Titan Q]

NCC/Chicago scrimmage results...

1st 20 - NCC 34 Chicago 28
2nd 20 - Chicago 31 NCC 30


I think NCC's point guards included a transfer from Coe (Jack Merrithey from Glenbard East?), Mike Boyd (6-1 soph), and a JV player from last year who had been hurt.

[AndOne]

As above, NCC scrimmaged U of Chicago tonight in Naperville. 3 halves

1st half featured mostly returning starters and reserves from last year's team and was won by the Cardinals 34-28
2nd half featured multiple player combinations as NCC steadily rotated players in and out. The Cards defense and rebounding, especially during the 2nd stanza, left much to be desired, and was largely responsible for the U of C posting a 31-20 win.
I don't believe Chicago has a true JV team so the same players who had played in the 1st 2 periods were on the floor against what will likely be the the NCC varsity reserves and top JV players. The Cards won this last half by a 35-18 score.

NCC was led in scoring by Vince Kmiec. Between multiple conversations, I attempted to keep score and, very unofficially, had him with 23 points. I had Landon Gamble with 10, and Derek Raridon was next with 9. NCC freshman Ben Heide, a 6'3" guard from Minooka, was the dominate player in the 3rd period, scoring 11 points on 4 of 4 shooting (3 threes). The Cards formidable backup forward duo of Charlie Rosenberg and Jack Burchett led the way on the boards.

U of C doesn't have much of a strong inside game, and a high percentage of their points came from outside, many from beyond the arc. The Cards have some work to do on their perimeter D.

[wheels81]

Great name for the new season = Royce Muskeyvalley! 

"It's Muskeyvalley for three!"  "It's Muskeyvalley to the line"  or "Muskeyvalley takes the charge!"  "Overstreet rolls Royce" 

I'm sure there are some other great new names out there in our D3 parlance for the new season. 

Yes, a good scrimmage = NCC vs. UC.

IWU70

Wheaton's golf team a couple of seasons ago had a player named Chip Wedgeworth

[petemcb]

Does anyone have any scoop on any more scrimmages on the docket involving CCIW teams.....like the NCC/U of C or NPU/Dominican scrimmages?

[AndOne]

Pretty tough to top Chip Wedgeworth, especially as far as a name for a golfer.

Not CCIW or even sports related, but back in my insurance investigator days, I had cases where fairly often I had to either obtain records from or interview a surgeon in Hinsdale, IL by the name of Dr Dwayne Butcher. Ouch!   

[Mr. Ypsi]

Pretty tough to top Chip Wedgeworth, especially as far as a name for a golfer.

Not CCIW or even sports related, but back in my insurance investigator days, I had cases where fairly often I had to either obtain records from or interview a surgeon in Hinsdale, IL by the name of Dr Dwayne Butcher. Ouch!   

We have two local dentists with appropriate names - one fortuitous, one not so much:  Dr. Smiley and Dr. Payne!

[bopol]

As above, NCC scrimmaged U of Chicago tonight in Naperville. 3 halves

1st half featured mostly returning starters and reserves from last year's team and was won by the Cardinals 34-28
2nd half featured multiple player combinations as NCC steadily rotated players in and out. The Cards defense and rebounding, especially during the 2nd stanza, left much to be desired, and was largely responsible for the U of C posting a 31-20 win.
I don't believe Chicago has a true JV team so the same players who had played in the 1st 2 periods were on the floor against what will likely be the the NCC varsity reserves and top JV players. The Cards won this last half by a 35-18 score.

NCC was led in scoring by Vince Kmiec. Between multiple conversations, I attempted to keep score and, very unofficially, had him with 23 points. I had Landon Gamble with 10, and Derek Raridon was next with 9. NCC freshman Ben Heide, a 6'3" guard from Minooka, was the dominate player in the 3rd period, scoring 11 points on 4 of 4 shooting (3 threes). The Cards formidable backup forward duo of Charlie Rosenberg and Jack Burchett led the way on the boards.

U of C doesn't have much of a strong inside game, and a high percentage of their points came from outside, many from beyond the arc. The Cards have some work to do on their perimeter D.

How many fouls did Rosenburg commit?

[sac]

Wheaton's golf team a couple of seasons ago had a player named Chip Wedgeworth

True story, he has a sister named Sandy......maybe not so true.

[AndOne]

As above, NCC scrimmaged U of Chicago tonight in Naperville. 3 halves

1st half featured mostly returning starters and reserves from last year's team and was won by the Cardinals 34-28
2nd half featured multiple player combinations as NCC steadily rotated players in and out. The Cards defense and rebounding, especially during the 2nd stanza, left much to be desired, and was largely responsible for the U of C posting a 31-20 win.
I don't believe Chicago has a true JV team so the same players who had played in the 1st 2 periods were on the floor against what will likely be the the NCC varsity reserves and top JV players. The Cards won this last half by a 35-18 score.

NCC was led in scoring by Vince Kmiec. Between multiple conversations, I attempted to keep score and, very unofficially, had him with 23 points. I had Landon Gamble with 10, and Derek Raridon was next with 9. NCC freshman Ben Heide, a 6'3" guard from Minooka, was the dominate player in the 3rd period, scoring 11 points on 4 of 4 shooting (3 threes). The Cards formidable backup forward duo of Charlie Rosenberg and Jack Burchett led the way on the boards.

U of C doesn't have much of a strong inside game, and a high percentage of their points came from outside, many from beyond the arc. The Cards have some work to do on their perimeter D.

How many fouls did Rosenburg commit?

One less than the guys who were guarding him.