MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

[Mr. Ypsi]

Bear in mind that jv does NOT necessarily mean 'not good enough for the rotation'.  I seriously doubt Keelan's game jumped enough from freshman to sophomore years to go from jv to conference MOP!  I've always assumed Trost thought being the focus of a jv team was better for his development than being a backup on the varsity.

Some of the guys you've touted may be better off on jv for the same reason.

Ron Rose has some very good JV players again this year, but I promise you there is no Keelan Amelianovich in that group.  I think it's safe to say that the guys who end up playing JV at the start of the year just aren't ready for varsity yet.

That said, the JV guys to keep the closest eye on seem to be:

- Bryce Dolan (PG/SG), 6-0/155 Fr -- I guess can just shoot the heck out of it

- Mike Marietti (F/C), 6-8/240 Fr -- huge bodied freshman that seems to have a chance sooner than later

- Ryan Coyle (G/F) - 6-5/205 Fr -- big wing player who is going to be a good player for the Titans at some point

- Brandon Heyen (F) - 6-8/200 So -- as mentioned above


Ron Rose has really done a nice job recruiting.  The Titans have good players in every class - he's built a system where guys can develop at the JV level and then get plugged in when their ready.  The program is in a very strong position right now.

Don't worry - I didn't dare even dream that a Keelan was amongst them!  Just noting that some who might be worthy of varsity sub minutes might be better off as jv starters.

[Titan Q]

I'll be very surprised is freshman Luis Miller doesn't get a little varsity tick at some point during the season.  He is a smooth-playing, big play potential kind of player.

Video...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgaZtxqiTVE

[AndOne]

When it comes to JV players and player development, I think coaching staffs of large roster teams often face somewhat of a dilemma regarding who gets more playing time in the JV games. Do they play little used varsity players 11-15 more, JV players 1-5 more, or do both sets of players get approximately the same number of minutes?
 

[newCCIWfan]

Looks like Millikin scrimmages WashU on sunday.

[Mr. Ypsi]

When it comes to JV players and player development, I think coaching staffs of large roster teams often face somewhat of a dilemma regarding who gets more playing time in the JV games. Do they play little used varsity players 11-15 more, JV players 1-5 more, or do both sets of players get approximately the same number of minutes?

If I understand the rules correctly, every player is limited to 25 games. with jv and varsity both counting.  Personally, I would use high-potential, but not yet ready players, as jv starters, figuring that varsity 11-15 will only get 'garbage minutes' anyway.  Therefore, by-and-large, my jv starters would be better than my 11-15 varsity bench.  (Though one is not locked in for the season, so the composition may vary by circumstances.)

[AndOne]

When it comes to JV players and player development, I think coaching staffs of large roster teams often face somewhat of a dilemma regarding who gets more playing time in the JV games. Do they play little used varsity players 11-15 more, JV players 1-5 more, or do both sets of players get approximately the same number of minutes?

If I understand the rules correctly, every player is limited to 25 games. with jv and varsity both counting.  Personally, I would use high-potential, but not yet ready players, as jv starters, figuring that varsity 11-15 will only get 'garbage minutes' anyway.  Therefore, by-and-large, my jv starters would be better than my 11-15 varsity bench.  (Though one is not locked in for the season, so the composition may vary by circumstances.)

Mr---

You are correct about the 25 game regular season limit. Play big minutes in a JV game, and then get in for the last few minutes in the varsity blowout or drubbing, and thats 2 games off the 25 right there on the same night.

With regard to the "high-potential but not yet ready players," I think that generally the highest potential players will be your varsity reserves (usually players 11-15) as opposed to any regular JV players. Thats why they are on the varsity as opposed to JV team in the 1st place. They have the highest potential to be ready for varsity game action.   

[Titan Q]

With regard to the "high-potential but not yet ready players," I think that generally the highest potential players will be your varsity reserves (usually players 11-15) as opposed to any regular JV players. Thats why they are on the varsity as opposed to JV team in the 1st place. They have the highest potential to be ready for varsity game action.   

I think this one can go either way, Mark...it's kind of situational.  You can easily make a case that it's better for a high potential player (who is not quite ready for the varsity rotation) to start and play 30 minutes for the JV team than to sit on the varsity bench and get 4 minutes of mop-up time.

[iwu70]

Q, thanks for your take on Heyen and the JV newbies.  As you have no doubt gathered, I'm pretty high on Brandon and like his game.  I even thought they might consider him a tweener of sorts between the 3 and 2, as he's quick, a slasher, loves to drive to the hoop etc., good range on his treyball.  We'll see.  I suppose if he puts on lbs, strength, works post moves, he could do the 3 to 4 transition.  JV is short of post players this year, so perhaps that's what they are thinking.  Thanks for the views on the others.  I'll watch them today.  Seems, from several sources, that Marietta is actually pretty close to "being ready" for varsity minutes now, but will of course want to develop, get some JV minutes too.  In this sense, perhaps he's the Musselman of this season . . . likely to see some varsity time later in the season, esp. if needed due to injuries, foul troubles, etc.  Sure is nice to have such depth.  And, who would have guessed that a transfer will likely start at the 2 and a true freshman has a real shot at starting at the PG.  We haven't had that since Kory Coon days, right?  Or, did Dauksas start as a freshman?  (Pls. forgive the spelling, as per my usual laziness of not wanting to look back at old roster records.  You know who I mean!).

Looking forward to watching the G/W scrimmage today . . . sorry Molinari and Zimmer likely still riding pine.  But first, senior day @Tucci@Wilder Field vs. the Doggies.

Have a good weekend all . . . we'll be watching for the score from NCC vs. WC to see who is ringing bells today.  I have NC by at least 2 TDs, likely more. 

IWU70

[Titan Q]

Q, thanks for your take on Heyen and the JV newbies.  As you have no doubt gathered, I'm pretty high on Brandon and like his game.  I even thought they might consider him a tweener of sorts between the 3 and 2, as he's quick, a slasher, loves to drive to the hoop etc., good range on his treyball. 

There is just no way 6-8 Heyen can guard a CCIW 2.

And, who would have guessed that a transfer will likely start at the 2 and a true freshman has a real shot at starting at the PG.  We haven't had that since Kory Coon days, right?  Or, did Dauksas start as a freshman?  (Pls. forgive the spelling, as per my usual laziness of not wanting to look back at old roster records.  You know who I mean!).

Adam Dauksas started as a freshman in 2002-03 and Travis Rosenkranz in 2007-08.

[martin]

As above, NCC scrimmaged U of Chicago tonight in Naperville. 3 halves

1st half featured mostly returning starters and reserves from last year's team and was won by the Cardinals 34-28
2nd half featured multiple player combinations as NCC steadily rotated players in and out. The Cards defense and rebounding, especially during the 2nd stanza, left much to be desired, and was largely responsible for the U of C posting a 31-20 win.
I don't believe Chicago has a true JV team so the same players who had played in the 1st 2 periods were on the floor against what will likely be the the NCC varsity reserves and top JV players. The Cards won this last half by a 35-18 score.

NCC was led in scoring by Vince Kmiec. Between multiple conversations, I attempted to keep score and, very unofficially, had him with 23 points. I had Landon Gamble with 10, and Derek Raridon was next with 9. NCC freshman Ben Heide, a 6'3" guard from Minooka, was the dominate player in the 3rd period, scoring 11 points on 4 of 4 shooting (3 threes). The Cards formidable backup forward duo of Charlie Rosenberg and Jack Burchett led the way on the boards.

U of C doesn't have much of a strong inside game, and a high percentage of their points came from outside, many from beyond the arc. The Cards have some work to do on their perimeter D.

Chicago has a couple of highly touted freshmen from the Whitney Young - Jordan Smith and Nate Brooks.  Brooks can get up there - one and two.  Any word on them?

[AndOne]

Sorry martin. I don't know the Chi players by sight, and didn't keep score for them. They also wore their practice gear  which often has numbers different from the players game jersey number.
If I remember right, the 2 players who seemed to do the major damage for U of C were #5 (not Muskeyvalley), and #10.

[Titan Q]

An article on IWU's Green/White game today...

http://www.pantagraph.com/sports/college/illinois-wesleyan/iwu-men-get-gauge-in-scrimmage/article_181f39c6-262d-11e2-af57-001a4bcf887a.html

An encouraging sign that IWU's probable starting backcourt (Dylan Overstreet, Pat Sodemann) accounted for 19 points in the first 20-minute game.  If the Titans can get points out of 1 and 2 spots they'll be very good offensively.

Got a few texts from a former player who was impressed with:

* Eric Dortch's play overall

* IWU's freshmen guards - especially PG Brian Nelms and PG/SG Bryce Dolan.  I guess this Dolan kid, an undersized SG (6-0), can just absolutely shoot the heck out of the ball.

* 6-8 F/C Parker Musselman, who he said played well around the basket as well as away from it


I'm pretty sure Ron Rose has the pieces to have a really good season -- just a matter of putting them together.  I sense that process will take well into the non-conference season.

[newCCIWfan]

Any news on the Augie scrimmage today?

[Hardwood]

Any news on the Augie scrimmage today?

Augie 65 -- Edgewood 47

[Titan Q]

For Twitter users, I finally created an account for IWUhoops.com...

https://twitter.com/IWUhoopscom


I plan to be very active with it.  Please follow if you're interested.