MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

[cardinalpride]

Thanks Greg for the information.
With more than 7 minutes of game time remaining, not sure if NCC could afford to sacrifice one of its TO's to buy time to get a player back on the court in a tied contest. Even if the player is Derek Raridon.

I'd trade a timeout for that 8-2 Raridon mini-run.

Guarantee the 8-2 mini run and IWU will not duplicate it and you have a deal..

[D-3 watcher]

To say that the football team being there had an impact on how the basketball team played is silly. To say how any of the students act, has an impact is silly.
IWU is big and that's how they play, big. It's not for the team or coach to decide whether they are to physical, it's up to the refs.
There is not a team in the CCIW that doesn't bang, push and pull. It's only bad if its your team getting banged around more.
For the most part, you can tell who's team each poster is for, but not all the time. Are any of the Augie posters complaining? For years they always had the biggest, deepest, and most physical teams.
Do you Wheaton fans know who your assistant coach is? You know the big guy, about 6-8, playing weight around 220 or so. Well Nate Frank is a tremendous guy, but nobody played harder than him. Not dirty, just big and physical. I didn't really like him in orange, but he would have looked great in green.
I do not think IWU plays the game any different than they have in the past. Coach Rose has always like playing that way, it's just know he has the players to do that. Plus if you don't play big and or physical, there is a chance you will get run out the gym. That is just the way the game has evolved. That is the way the game is officiated.

[iwumichigander]

Cardinal pride, that 3 minute span was at a crucial time of the game, I agree. I thought then, and still think now, that Coach Raridon should have used at least one time out. Maybe two. I don't know if he had those TOs left, but D Raridon is the one player that has to be on the floor at crunch time. There would have been a lot of shoe strings being tied, whatever the ref would let us do to stop that clock.
I said before, I thought IWU training staff fixed him up to quick, NCC fans probably thought he was stalling.  The home team has to supply the trainer for the visiting team, so your kinda at the mercy of that trainer. IWU travels with its own trainer, boys and girls teams. Don't know if they are ISU students, getting some credits, or if they employee that many, but they are good to have.

D3,
Not sure of NCCs timeout situation but you're right.  NCC was at the mercy of the IWU training staff.

NCC had three timeouts remaining: Two fulls and a thirty.

Thanks Greg for the information.
With more than 7 minutes of game time remaining, not sure if NCC could afford to sacrifice one of its TO's to buy time to get a player back on the court in a tied contest. Even if the player is Derek Raridon.

The On Demand replay http://client.stretchinternet.com/client/iwu.portal# 1:31:31 to 1:32:39 together with the stat sheet reveals this
* Derek Raridon signals to a sideline official, during a stoppage of play, that he had some problem around the right eye
* Derek walks to about mid court scorer's table area, meets his dad and then turns to go to the IWU trainer
* Trainer exams Raridon, after a few moments, signals to the official he needs more time; i.e. no simple fix
* Offical indicate - once he got the signal from the trainor - that Coach Raridon either needs to enter a substitute or call time out; it was the coach's option
* If you watch the replay a little further -
* Play by Play announcer indicates at around 6:32 mark that trainor still working on Raridon
* Stat sheet shows sub out 7:42 (Score 55-55) and re entry with 4:55 (Score 58-57 IWU)
* It appears Derek came from the trainors area to the scorer's table without going to the NCC bench to re-enter the game; and,
* Over the remaining 4:55 NCC scored 4 points - a layup by Rourke; jumper by Kmiec

Q and I are still searching the stat sheet for that guaranteed 8-2 mini run

[cardinalpride]

Cardinal pride, that 3 minute span was at a crucial time of the game, I agree. I thought then, and still think now, that Coach Raridon should have used at least one time out. Maybe two. I don't know if he had those TOs left, but D Raridon is the one player that has to be on the floor at crunch time. There would have been a lot of shoe strings being tied, whatever the ref would let us do to stop that clock.
I said before, I thought IWU training staff fixed him up to quick, NCC fans probably thought he was stalling.  The home team has to supply the trainer for the visiting team, so your kinda at the mercy of that trainer. IWU travels with its own trainer, boys and girls teams. Don't know if they are ISU students, getting some credits, or if they employee that many, but they are good to have.

D3,
Not sure of NCCs timeout situation but you're right.  NCC was at the mercy of the IWU training staff.

NCC had three timeouts remaining: Two fulls and a thirty.

Thanks Greg for the information.
With more than 7 minutes of game time remaining, not sure if NCC could afford to sacrifice one of its TO's to buy time to get a player back on the court in a tied contest. Even if the player is Derek Raridon.

The On Demand replay http://client.stretchinternet.com/client/iwu.portal# 1:31:31 to 1:32:39 together with the stat sheet reveals this
* Derek Raridon signals to a sideline official, during a stoppage of play, that he had some problem around the right eye
* Derek walks to about mid court scorer's table area, meets his dad and then turns to go to the IWU trainer
* Trainer exams Raridon, after a few moments, signals to the official he needs more time; i.e. no simple fix
* Offical indicate - once he got the signal from the trainor - that Coach Raridon either needs to enter a substitute or call time out; it was the coach's option
* If you watch the replay a little further -
* Play by Play announcer indicates at around 6:32 mark that trainor still working on Raridon
* Stat sheet shows sub out 7:42 (Score 55-55) and re entry with 4:55 (Score 58-57 IWU)
* It appears Derek came from the trainors area to the scorer's table without going to the NCC bench to re-enter the game; and,
* Over the remaining 4:55 NCC scored 4 points - a layup by Rourke; jumper by Kmiec

Q and I are still searching the stat sheet for that guaranteed 8-2 mini run

Michigander, please read my post more clearly before you post silliness!

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

Per trainers... you can ask any of them that if they are attending to a visiting player, their intention is to get them mended quickly and able to get back to the game as soon as possible. This isn't because they know it would look bad if they didn't; they do this because it is their job, they probably know less of who are the best players than most in the gym (because they are too busy in general to care), and because they would expect the same treatment for any of their teams by another trainer if necessary.

[Gregory Sager]

Where's NPU's Aaron Weaver these days as he hasn't been in the last few box scores?

We covered that topic here three weeks ago, Mark.

[sac]

Just a reminder that Valentine's Day is coming soon.

[D-3 watcher]

Mr. Sager, as you probably know I don't think those topics should be discussed, reported once, then move on. Thanks for that reply.

[Gregory Sager]

Do you Wheaton fans know who your assistant coach is? You know the big guy, about 6-8, playing weight around 220 or so. Well Nate Frank is a tremendous guy, but nobody played harder than him. Not dirty, just big and physical. I didn't really like him in orange, but he would have looked great in green.

Nate's most likely green right now if he's reading this, because the very thought of his having chosen to attend and play for Illinois Wesleyan rather than Wheaton probably makes him sick to his stomach.

I do not think IWU plays the game any different than they have in the past. Coach Rose has always like playing that way, it's just know he has the players to do that. Plus if you don't play big and or physical, there is a chance you will get run out the gym. That is just the way the game has evolved. That is the way the game is officiated.

Your first sentence is wrong. Illinois Wesleyan plays the game very differently than it did in the past. But so does just about everybody else.

During the Bridges era, the Titans were always a lanky bunch of dead-eye shooters who ran their halfcourt sets with crisp perfection, typically considered defense something of an afterthought, and generally operated by the principle that, while you couldn't stop them, they'd be able to stop you just often enough to gradually accumulate a lead that you'd never be able to overcome.

However, your last point, which is that the game has evolved into something more resembling rugby on the hardwood, is spot-on. It's a very physical game now, characterized by pushing, shoving, leaning, and bull-rushes that would've been unheard-of a generation ago. Whereas the Bridges-era Wesleyan teams always looked as though they were allergic to the weight room, they're now as muscled-up and as physical as anybody around (including this year's Augie team).

Evolve or perish: That's the way of the world in the animal kingdom, and it's the way of the world in college basketball as well.

[D-3 watcher]

Greg, I was referring since Ron Rose took over. Sorry

[Gregory Sager]

Oh. Since you made an old-guy reference to Nate Frank -- yes, folks, the early '90s were a million years ago, sad to say  -- it seemed to me that you were continuing in old-guy mode when you talked about how the Titans used to play.

Perhaps this is why old people are so easily confused: They've lived through more history, so it's not always easy for them to distinguish how far back into the past any non-specific reference is trying to go.

It seems like a good idea to me to figure out the foibles of old age prior to arrival ... although some would say that my arrival is more imminent than I'd like it to be.

[D-3 watcher]

Cardinalpride, if iwumichigander would have done minimal homework he/she would not have put words in your mouth.

[Gregory Sager]

Now that the NPU bus has left for Bloomington, I can reveal Tom Slyder's strategy for tonight:

1) He had all of his players take naps this afternoon prior to boarding the bus.
2) An hour before tipoff, he will inform Ron Rose that, much to his chagrin, the Vikings left their uniforms back in Chicago.
3) He will make a great show out of trying to find someone to drive back to Chicago to get the unis. But, given the minimal number of NPU folks who will be traveling down to Blo-No tonight for the game, it will take some doing before Tom finally finds a willing uniform courier.
4) By the time the blue road unis finally arrive at Shirk late this evening, the Titans will be visibly yawning. Meanwhile, the nap-refreshed Vikings will be ready to go, no matter how late the refs toss up the ball for the opening tipoff.

Fingers crossed that he pulls this one off.

[Titan Q]

Well, no regional rankings yet here a little past 5:00pm CST.  But we do have the data sheets...

http://web1.ncaa.org/champsel_new/exec/pdf/staticpdfrank?doWhat=publicrankings&sportCode=MBB&region=35&division=3

The Midwest numbers are a little off from what KnightSlappy had, and that I used in my projection.  I added the actual numbers from the data sheet in bold below.

Midwest Region ranking projection (through Sunday, February 3)
1.      Ill. Wesleyan  .833 (15-3)/.546  .560
2.      North Central  .842 (16-3)/.519  .525
3.      Rose-Hulman  .900 (18-2)/.485  .502
4.      Transylvania  .789 (15-4)/.563  .565
5.      Wheaton  .737 .722 (14-5) (13-5)/.549  .577
6.      Washington U  .789 (15-4)/.547  .544
7.      Augustana  .750 (15-5)/.558  .549
8.      Grinnell  .824 (14-3)/.475 .471
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9.      St. Norbert  .789 (15-4)/.516  .525

[Titan Q]

Wheaton's 13-5 in-region record looks right to me.  I'm not sure where we were off in arriving at 14-5.