MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

Any technical foul called on a player is a personal foul as well. The only time technical fouls are not assessed to players personal foul totals is when there are procedural (delay of game, book issues, etc.). And all technical fouls are added to team fouls whether they are personal or procedural.

[TitansIWU]

I think part of the confusion came in when the announcer calling the game had no idea what the rules were.

I missed the Victor Davis technical because UStream decided to insert a random commercial for me to enjoy during that exact moment in the game.

[Rafi]

Any technical foul called on a player is a personal foul as well. The only time technical fouls are not assessed to players personal foul totals is when there are procedural (delay of game, book issues, etc.). And all technical fouls are added to team fouls whether they are personal or procedural.

I don't believe all technical fouls are added to the team total.....the rules seem to make distinctions in different types of technicals.

Art. 3. The team-foul total shall consist of a combination of the following fouls:
a. (Men) Personal fouls (includes player-control fouls) and CLASS A
technical fouls.

[A Lover of the Game]

Thanks guys.

Dave, that is the way I understand personal fouls to work.  I was a bit perplexed when the refs decided that Rosenberg's (thanks for telling me his name, Rafi) tech would not be considered as a fifth PF as well a TF but later upheld the rule on Davis. 

TitansIWU, Davis bounced the ball hard on the floor out of frustration over the ref's call.  Those commercials were killin' me. 

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

Yes... Class B technical fouls do not count towards the team total.. for your reading enjoyment... here is a breakdown of Class B technicals:

Section 6. (Men) CLASS B TECHNICAL INFRACTIONS
Art. 1. A technical foul shall be assessed to a player or a substitute for the following infractions:
a. Purposely obstructing an opponent's vision by waving or placing hand(s) near his eyes.
b. Climbing on or lifting a teammate to secure greater height.
c. Knowingly attempting a free throw to which he is not entitled.
d. Possessing or using tobacco.
e. A team member dunking or attempting to dunk a dead ball before or during the game, or during any intermission.
f. Grasping either basket in an excessive, emphatic manner during the officials' jurisdiction when the player is not, in the judgment of an official, trying to prevent an obvious injury to self or others.
g. Intentionally slapping or striking the backboard or causing either the backboard or ring to vibrate while the ball is in flight during a try, or while the ball is touching the backboard, is on the basket ring, in the basket net or in the cylinder.
h. Placing a hand(s) on the backboard or ring to gain an advantage.
i. Touching a ball outside the cylinder (goaltending) during a free throw.
j. Reaching through the throw-in boundary-line plane and touching or dislodging the ball while it is in possession of the thrower or being passed to a teammate outside the boundary line as in
k. Deceptively leaving the playing court for an unauthorized reason and returning at a more advantageous position.
l. Purposely delaying his return to the playing court after being legally out of bounds.
m. After a team warning has been issued, attempting to gain an advantage by interfering with the ball after a goal or failing to immediately pass the ball to the nearest official after the whistle had been blown.
n. A team member entering the playing court without reporting to the official scorers or a substitute entering the playing court without being beckoned by an official (unless during an intermission).
o. Participating after changing his uniform number without reporting the change to the official scorer and a game official.
p. Opponents of the thrower-in shall not repeatedly have any part of their person beyond the vertical inside plane of any boundary line before the ball has crossed that boundary line.

Art. 2. A technical foul shall be assessed to a coach and all bench personnel for the following infractions:
a. Entering the playing court to attend an injured player unless done with permission of an official.
b. Possessing or using tobacco.
c. Refusing to occupy the team bench to which the team was assigned or to occupy the locations for a timeout or for the start of any period as defined in Rule 4-7.2.
d. Using electronic transmission (including but not limited to headsets, telephones, television, radio, audio or video Internet broadcast, heart monitor devices, computers), or knowledge gained resulting from thereof, for coaching purposes, to communicate to and/or from the bench area or using replay equipment at courtside for coaching purposes.
e. When there is evidence that the head coach or bench personnel instructed that the scorebook be removed from the scorer's table.
f. All bench personnel shall remain seated on the bench while the ball is live, except as follows:
     1. The head coach may stand but must remain completely and clearly in his coaching box. One warning shall be issued to the head coach before any subsequent infraction is penalized.
     2. To spontaneously react to an outstanding play, immediately sitting down on the bench afterwards.
     3. A team member reporting to the scorer's table.
     4. The head coach to point out, at any time, a scoring or timing mistake or to request a timeout to ascertain whether a correctable error needs to be rectified or to request a monitor review for a flagrant 2 contact technical foul.
     5. To seek information from the official scorer or official timer during a timeout or an intermission.
g. The head coach shall replace a disqualified or injured player within 20 seconds when a substitute is available.
h. Delaying the game by preventing the ball from being promptly made live or by preventing continuous play, such as bench personnel entering the playing court before player activity has been terminated. In such a case, when the delay does not interfere with play, it shall be ignored.
i. Using a laser pointer.
j. Bench personnel leaving the bench area when a fight may break out or has broken out. The head coach may leave the bench area in this case to prevent the situation from escalating.

PENALTY: Article 1 and Article 2.a through i. Two free throws shall be awarded to any member of the offended team. All infractions count toward ejection but do not count toward the team-foul
total or disqualification.

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[cciwrabblerouser]

please tell me it's the camera ...

'the camera adds 10 pounds.'  since i have a great deal of respect for iwu and its basketball program, i am looking for confirmation that indeed it IS the camera.  watching andrew ziemnik (#35) of the titans on the  video feed last night, it appears that andy is extremely overweight, with flabby arms and a 38" waist.  i assume this is NOT the case, but it's only the camera that is adding girth.  it just looks very unwesleyanlike (hey i've created a new word) to have an out-of-shape player on the court.

can others confirm that andy is in great shape?  i'd prefer to hear it from non-iwu fans since i know they look at everything through green-colored lenses.

that game last night was a classic.  i do believe that there is such a thing as a 'good' loss, and that wesleyan, playing at home this weekend, will be better than ever because of the setback.  i know i wouldn't want to be an augie fan trying to beat iwu after that tough loss.  and north central having such an emotional win will benefit wheaton in the other semi-final.

thanks -- no criticism of mr. ziemnik because i know he is effective -- but watching on video has its definite disadvantages.

[Rafi]

It will be very interesting who will be at the top of the regional rankings after this weekend's conference tournament.  I know the final regional rankings aren't published, but I'm wondering if this will be a situation where the winner of the conference tournament is ranked #1 in the region.

As long as the unexpected doesn't happen and IWU beats Augie, I think there is a very good case for NCC to be ranked #1 if they win it. 

Since last night's game won't be considered for this week's rankings, when the final rankings are finalized, they would have won 2 out of 3 head to head against both Wheaton and IWU.......they would have increased their regional win percentage (and widened that gap on Wheaton and IWU).....and they would have 3 more wins against regionally ranked opponents.

I'm not completely sold on Wheaton being #1, and passing IWU if they win it because they would have only beaten IWU 1 out of 3 times.

I will be interested to see what today's rankings will be because I think for this to play out, Wash U has to drop below NCC.

The only way we might know how this ends up is if one of these teams hosts more games in the national tournament than the others.

[sac]

i. Using a laser pointer.

Has this been an issue in the past?

[Kovo]

What a FANtastic game last night at NCC. I hope the NCAA sets the tournament up so it's possible that IWU and NCC could meet in Atlanta. I thought the refs had an incredibly hard game to officiate with so much contact, especially underneath. Gamble was the difference in OT and Kmiec kept NCC from losing in regulation. The 25'+ 3 by Zimmer to tie the game at 79-79 with 3:58 in OT was the most amazing shot of the game. I thought IWU missed a great opportunity to win at the end of regulation but NCC's defense was very good in that last 26 seconds. IWU settled for a driving off-balance shot by Overstreet after a timeout with 2.2 seconds left.

Merner Fieldhouse is a horrible place to watch a game if you are a visiting fan. I go to any other CCIW fieldhouse on the road and I can sit wherever I want (except for the student or band sections). There are no reserved seats. But at NCC, all the decent floor seats are reserved for NCC alums. Next year, I'll buy a NCC sweatshirt and sit in those seats. I sat in the end zone and missed so much of the critical action at the other end of the court. I don't know who the incompetent architect was who drew up the plans for the worst basketball venue by far in the CCIW.

I couldn't find any information on the architect.  However, Merner was dedicated in 1931, after the original facility (Nichols Gymnasium) burnt to the ground in 1929.  The NC website says that the original structure remains the unchanged (no kidding!).  No doubt that Merner needs an upgrade/face lift, but I suppose that architect commissioned to render the plans in 1930 didn't consider the vantage points and comfort of D3 Hoops fans some 83 years later.

I hope Merner is around another 80+ years----just with permanent seating, air conditioning and some of the other comforts that fans routinely enjoy in this century, and the past 20-30 years of last century.   

[thunder38]

Third Regional Rankings are out

Midwest
1 Illinois Wesleyan 18-3 21-3
2 Washington U. 18-5 19-5
3 Wheaton (Ill.) 16-5 19-5
4 North Central (Ill.) 19-3 21-3
5 Transylvania 18-5 19-6
6 Rose-Hulman 21-3 22-3
7 St. Norbert 18-5 18-5
8 Augustana 16-7 17-7

[WUPHF]

i. Using a laser pointer.

Has this been an issue in the past?

This was a big issue for a year or two when laser pointers became very cheap and easy to obtain.  Fans would use the laser pointer to distract free-throw shooters.

[keith45]

please tell me it's the camera ...

'the camera adds 10 pounds.'  since i have a great deal of respect for iwu and its basketball program, i am looking for confirmation that indeed it IS the camera.  watching andrew ziemnik (#35) of the titans on the  video feed last night, it appears that andy is extremely overweight, with flabby arms and a 38" waist.  i assume this is NOT the case, but it's only the camera that is adding girth.  it just looks very unwesleyanlike (hey i've created a new word) to have an out-of-shape player on the court.

can others confirm that andy is in great shape?  i'd prefer to hear it from non-iwu fans since i know they look at everything through green-colored lenses.

that game last night was a classic.  i do believe that there is such a thing as a 'good' loss, and that wesleyan, playing at home this weekend, will be better than ever because of the setback.  i know i wouldn't want to be an augie fan trying to beat iwu after that tough loss.  and north central having such an emotional win will benefit wheaton in the other semi-final.

thanks -- no criticism of mr. ziemnik because i know he is effective -- but watching on video has its definite disadvantages.

He is a big boy, and my players (I had a 12u team with me) said he "doesnt look like a basketball player". We were sitting behind the basket by IWU's bench, so we got some close views. the other big man, maybe number 41 looks even more out of shape

[sac]

i. Using a laser pointer.

Has this been an issue in the past?

This was a big issue for a year or two when laser pointers became very cheap and easy to obtain.  Fans would use the laser pointer to distract free-throw shooters.

The technical foul list made it seem like a player using one

[robertgoulet]

please tell me it's the camera ...

'the camera adds 10 pounds.'  since i have a great deal of respect for iwu and its basketball program, i am looking for confirmation that indeed it IS the camera.  watching andrew ziemnik (#35) of the titans on the  video feed last night, it appears that andy is extremely overweight, with flabby arms and a 38" waist.  i assume this is NOT the case, but it's only the camera that is adding girth.  it just looks very unwesleyanlike (hey i've created a new word) to have an out-of-shape player on the court.

can others confirm that andy is in great shape?  i'd prefer to hear it from non-iwu fans since i know they look at everything through green-colored lenses.

that game last night was a classic.  i do believe that there is such a thing as a 'good' loss, and that wesleyan, playing at home this weekend, will be better than ever because of the setback.  i know i wouldn't want to be an augie fan trying to beat iwu after that tough loss.  and north central having such an emotional win will benefit wheaton in the other semi-final.

thanks -- no criticism of mr. ziemnik because i know he is effective -- but watching on video has its definite disadvantages.

He is a big boy, and my players (I had a 12u team with me) said he "doesnt look like a basketball player". We were sitting behind the basket by IWU's bench, so we got some close views. the other big man, maybe number 41 looks even more out of shape

Was he the one that looked like one of the guys from the Capital One "What's in your wallet?" commercials? If so, yes, he did not look like a bballer! He did can a HUGE 3 towards the end of the game though.

[cardinalpride]

What a FANtastic game last night at NCC. I hope the NCAA sets the tournament up so it's possible that IWU and NCC could meet in Atlanta. I thought the refs had an incredibly hard game to officiate with so much contact, especially underneath. Gamble was the difference in OT and Kmiec kept NCC from losing in regulation. The 25'+ 3 by Zimmer to tie the game at 79-79 with 3:58 in OT was the most amazing shot of the game. I thought IWU missed a great opportunity to win at the end of regulation but NCC's defense was very good in that last 26 seconds. IWU settled for a driving off-balance shot by Overstreet after a timeout with 2.2 seconds left.

Merner Fieldhouse is a horrible place to watch a game if you are a visiting fan. I go to any other CCIW fieldhouse on the road and I can sit wherever I want (except for the student or band sections). There are no reserved seats. But at NCC, all the decent floor seats are reserved for NCC alums. Next year, I'll buy a NCC sweatshirt and sit in those seats. I sat in the end zone and missed so much of the critical action at the other end of the court. I don't know who the incompetent architect was who drew up the plans for the worst basketball venue by far in the CCIW.

Well become a NCC Tip off club member and you can sit wherever you want in Merner....