MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

[kiko]

Very classy of Benedictine to partner with NCC on this.

Candidly, when I think of Benedictine, it is usually in the context of 'refuses to schedule us in football these days'.  Clearly this is an outlier (and the rationale is certainly understandable given the final margin in the last couple of meetings between the two), and it seems the two schools have a reasonably good relationship in the broader context.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

They do go and look at the criteria between the teams to determine the host - not just the ranking. Per Williams and CUA... Williams #3, CUA #2... but Williams had the better SOS. CUA's SOS is actually the reason they are #2 in the Mid-Atlantic Region despite just three losses.

[kiko]

Just asking, but if Wash U was ranked 2nd in the Midwest, and UWW 3rd in the West, why would UWW get to host if WU was ranked/seeded higher? What am I missing here?

The two schools' relative rankings in their respective regions are apples and oranges.  UWW was evaluated among the schools in the West, and Wash U among those in the Midwest.  Nothing says that a #2 in one region is necessarily better or worse than #3 (or #4, or #5...) in another.

Whether they were seeded higher in the bottom-right bracket is another question.  We can at best speculate as to which school was designated as the higher seed.  But because they are done among isolated, distinctly different populations, the regional rankings can't necessarily be compared between regions to draw conclusions.

[AndOne]

Another question for those more familiar with the inner workings of the NCAA............

Given that we are in the national tournament phase of the season, and game details are no longer controlled by the individual schools, would you not think that there would be conformity between game sites?

Specifically, why would tickets have been $8.00 at UWW yesterday, $7.00 at IWU, and only $6.00 at NCC?
Looks like NCC is the more fan friendly institution.     

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

Interesting - usually ticket sales are locked in by the NCAA.

[Pat Coleman]

Another question for those more familiar with the inner workings of the NCAA............

Given that we are in the national tournament phase of the season, and game details are no longer controlled by the individual schools, would you not think that there would be conformity between game sites?

Specifically, why would tickets have been $8.00 at UWW yesterday, $7.00 at IWU, and only $6.00 at NCC?
Looks like NCC is the more fan friendly institution.     

The NCAA only sets minimums. Used to be in the handbook but is not anymore.

[Titan Q]

Listen - they do the comparisons when it comes to hosting to be sure (Williams is hosting CUA over the fact Williams was #3 and CUA was #2)... and I know they look at the regional rankings to determine match-ups and even forecast them. However, I don't believe they take two regions, combine them, and then rerank them for this process. It is more individualistic in nature.

Dave, it would be worth asking Mike DeWitt this next time he is on Hoopsville. 

I just seems hard for me to believe that they would construct a "pod" of 4 teams across two regions (example - Wash U, NCC, UWW, IWU) without attempting to determine a seeding order across the 4.

[Pat Coleman]

Listen - they do the comparisons when it comes to hosting to be sure (Williams is hosting CUA over the fact Williams was #3 and CUA was #2)... and I know they look at the regional rankings to determine match-ups and even forecast them. However, I don't believe they take two regions, combine them, and then rerank them for this process. It is more individualistic in nature.

Dave, it would be worth asking Mike DeWitt this next time he is on Hoopsville. 

I just seems hard for me to believe that they would construct a "pod" of 4 teams across two regions (example - Wash U, NCC, UWW, IWU) without attempting to determine a seeding order across the 4.

I believe they do when there are four teams at one site. This year could be different.

[SevenTen]

Or Whitewater and WashU both win (I know... shouldn't even mention the possibility on the CCIW board) and then the next game is at WashU and our questions are answered.  Maybe it's as simple as they had the order NCC, WashU, UWW, IWU and avoided the conference matchup second round.

[cardinalpride]

What I am saying Bob is that they look at the individual match-ups and try and forecast future match-ups... they don't take two regions and re-rank with them combined! And I was just saying that since Wash U was 6-4 vRRO and UWW was 5-3... it would be a win in that criteria for Wash U... that is all I am saying.

I guess you could say 6-4 is an edge over 5-3, but not enough to treat Wash U as a higher seed than Whitewater you when factor all the numbers in...

- UW-Whitewater (W): 22-4 (.846)/.588/5-3
- Washington U (MW): 19-5 (.792)/.559/6-4

Whitewater is the team getting screwed here - they deserve to host two games (as does NCC).

Does the women's tournament bracket/host sites have anything to do with bracketing/hosting for the men or vice versa?

[Mr. Ypsi]

What I am saying Bob is that they look at the individual match-ups and try and forecast future match-ups... they don't take two regions and re-rank with them combined! And I was just saying that since Wash U was 6-4 vRRO and UWW was 5-3... it would be a win in that criteria for Wash U... that is all I am saying.

I guess you could say 6-4 is an edge over 5-3, but not enough to treat Wash U as a higher seed than Whitewater you when factor all the numbers in...

- UW-Whitewater (W): 22-4 (.846)/.588/5-3
- Washington U (MW): 19-5 (.792)/.559/6-4

Whitewater is the team getting screwed here - they deserve to host two games (as does NCC).

Does the women tournament bracket/host sites have anything to do with bracketing/hosting for the men or vice versa?

In normal years, yes.  One site cannot host both men's and women's pods the same weekend.  This year, with just single games for the men, schools are allowed to host both.

[SevenTen]

What I am saying Bob is that they look at the individual match-ups and try and forecast future match-ups... they don't take two regions and re-rank with them combined! And I was just saying that since Wash U was 6-4 vRRO and UWW was 5-3... it would be a win in that criteria for Wash U... that is all I am saying.

I guess you could say 6-4 is an edge over 5-3, but not enough to treat Wash U as a higher seed than Whitewater you when factor all the numbers in...

- UW-Whitewater (W): 22-4 (.846)/.588/5-3
- Washington U (MW): 19-5 (.792)/.559/6-4

Whitewater is the team getting screwed here - they deserve to host two games (as does NCC).

Does the women tournament bracket/host sites have anything to do with bracketing/hosting for the men or vice versa?

Normally yes, but this year it wouldn't.  Since it's not a 3 game pod on the men's side, you can have both groups there at the same time.  Happened a few times this past weekend.

[cardinalpride]

Here is an article describing last nights NCC/Centre game according to Centre's HC Greg Mason:

http://www.centralkynews.com/amnews/sports/amn-centre-basketball-centre-men-fall-to-north-central-6650-in-ncaa-division-iii-first-round-20130302,0,5365598.story

[SevenTen]

Here is an article describing last nights NCC/Centre game according to Centre's HC Greg Mason:

http://www.centralkynews.com/amnews/sports/amn-centre-basketball-centre-men-fall-to-north-central-6650-in-ncaa-division-iii-first-round-20130302,0,5365598.story

Very kind words from Centre's coach.  I thought he showed a lot of composure last night.  When your team is getting physically dominated inside (cleanly as he mentions in the article) a coach often starts whining to the refs trying to get some phantom calls.  He never did.  He recognized it as good solid basketball and just encouraged his team each time to keep their heads up and keep playing.

Coach Mason was a guest on a recent Hoopsville and I thought he seemed like a wonderful person to have your son play for and his actions last night and comments in this article only strengthen my feelings on this.  I look forward to seeing his team grow in the years to come.

[Gregory Sager]

That SNC @ WC game was sure fun to watch ... right down to the final buzzer. Given the fact that he's a 39% shooter from downtown, if Paul Appleton had had enough time to square up for that final trey it could've been St. Norbert that advanced rather than Wheaton.

As well as Brayden Teuscher played last night, I think that Nathan Haynes was the key to the ballgame. SNC dominated the game in the paint in the first half, but Haynes just completely took over the inside in the second half. To give credit where credit is due, I think that the much-maligned Michael Berg came up with some big boards in the second half as well. It was just a terrific comeback by a team that plays with a lot of composure and confidence on its home floor.

Unfortunately for WC, this will most likely be it. I don't see the Sonic Atmospheric Disturbance having much of a chance next Saturday up in the Twin Cities. I've seen a couple of St. Thomas webcasts, and I think that the Tommies are the class of the tournament field this year. Doesn't mean that Wheaton won't give it everything it has, and upsets are always possible -- that's what makes this time of year so much fun -- but I just don't see it happening against the Tommies.