MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

[AndOne]

Apparently you missed him being on the show two weeks ago...

No, its just that with another round gone by, and the slant now being the upcoming battle between NCC and IWU, it seems like another "cycle"/discussion has begun. If Rose/IWU is up in the top of the 2nd, it seems Raridon/NCC should get their ups in the bottom of the frame. 

[Pat Coleman]

Apparently you missed him being on the show two weeks ago...

No, its just that with another round gone by, and the slant now being the upcoming battle between NCC and IWU, it seems like another "cycle"/discussion has begun. If Rose/IWU is up in the top of the 2nd, it seems Raridon/NCC should get their ups in the bottom of the frame. 

There are still 16 teams left, so you'll need to wait your turn again.

[veterancciwfan]

It will be interesting to see what NCC does with its floor level seating for Round 3. Will NCC be able to limit the really good seats to NCC alums (other than the end zone seats) as they did in the regular season? Or will IWU be given half of those seats? And who makes the decision, NCC, as the host school, or the NCAA? I have a suggestion. Get rid of the risers and chairs and install some aluminum bleachers with 10-15 rows on the balcony side and divide them up 50/50 to each school. I bet NCC could sell 3500 tickets for the game if capacity was not an issue. NCC has a great b'ball program and Todd Raridon is a class act and one of the best D3 coaches in the country. Too bad he can't convince the NCC administration that it's time to build a new fieldhouse.

[SevenTen]

It will be interesting to see what NCC does with its floor level seating for Round 3. Will NCC be able to limit the really good seats to NCC alums (other than the end zone seats) as they did in the regular season? Or will IWU be given half of those seats? And who makes the decision, NCC, as the host school, or the NCAA? I have a suggestion. Get rid of the risers and chairs and install some aluminum bleachers with 10-15 rows on the balcony side and divide them up 50/50 to each school. I bet NCC could sell 3500 tickets for the game if capacity was not an issue. NCC has a great b'ball program and Todd Raridon is a class act and one of the best D3 coaches in the country. Too bad he can't convince the NCC administration that it's time to build a new fieldhouse.

Seating was the same in the first round game against Centre college as it always is so I assume nothing will change this weekend.

[veterancciwfan]

Recent (all depends on how one defines it) history of IWU in Round 3 road games:

1) Lost to Wooster 53-58 in 2004 (Trost's 3rd year)
2) Beat Lawrence (#1) 71-68 in 2006 (Trost's last year)
3) Beat Wooster 69-67 in 2012

[kiko]

One final note regarding Saturday's game:  thank you again to Benedictine for the partnership and good neighborliness that enabled the Cardinals to host the game.   It was very much preferred to a scenario that involved traveling to the other side of the Cheddar Curtain.

(And as a small consolation to Whitewater fans, their runners placed fourth in the men's track meet that pushed the game off campus.  The U-Dub hyphens swept the team hardware, with LaCrosse, Oshkosh, Eau Claire, and Whitewater taking the top four spots.  Oshkosh and LaCrosse were also in the top four on the women's side.)

[AndOne]

ANDONE, any idea what caused the "near fight" in the final seconds of the game last night?  I didn't see it.  Thankfully two officials and teammates from both schools kept it from getting ugly.

I only caught the final seven minutes or so of the game at Benedictine last night.  That the score was still in the 40s with six minutes left was not a surprise.  It didn't seem like any of the points came easily for either team.

- My favorite moment came in the waning seconds.  Whitewater missed a potential game-tying three (which was  shot early in the sequence and probably was not the best look they were going to get), and Jack Burchett (in on defense lest Gamble pick up his fifth) grabbed the board with :06 left.  He had the presence of mind to quickly hot-potato the ball to Derek Raridon before Whitewater could foul him.  We all know that free throws are sort of an Adventures with Jack experience, and there was a very real chance that had he been fouled, Whitewater would have gotten a second shot at the game-tying three.  Instead, Raridon hit the back end of his two shots to seal the win.

Kiko's observation leads to the answer to Naperick's question. I realize others may have a different view of the situation, but the play occurred only about 5 feet in front of me.

Rory Cotter had been inserted into the game with only 17 seconds remaining when Eric Bryson fouled out.
Given that the stat sheet indicated he had only played 22 minutes all season, it seemed an odd choice. The reasoning among the other fans I was sitting with was that either Coach Miller subbed him in due to his being a senior possibly playing his last game or that he entered the fray to deliver a (hard?) foul. UWW trailed by 3 at the time.
With 6 seconds left, Darnell Harris missed a three attempt to tie. NCC's Jack Burchett tracked down the long rebound just in bounds, free throw line extended left. Cotter charged hard at Burchett who flicked the ball to the nearby Derek Raridon as Kiko advised. The ball was just out of Burchett's hands when Cotter hit Burchett in the chest with both palms. Raridon caught the short pass a fraction of a second before Burchett was hit, and Derek was immediately fouled. However, Burchett took exception to the blow to the chest and said something to Cotter, who then gave Jack another little shove. A stare down resulted, and it was at that point when the principals were separated by other players from both teams.


 

[emma17]

ANDONE, any idea what caused the "near fight" in the final seconds of the game last night?  I didn't see it.  Thankfully two officials and teammates from both schools kept it from getting ugly.

I only caught the final seven minutes or so of the game at Benedictine last night.  That the score was still in the 40s with six minutes left was not a surprise.  It didn't seem like any of the points came easily for either team.

- My favorite moment came in the waning seconds.  Whitewater missed a potential game-tying three (which was  shot early in the sequence and probably was not the best look they were going to get), and Jack Burchett (in on defense lest Gamble pick up his fifth) grabbed the board with :06 left.  He had the presence of mind to quickly hot-potato the ball to Derek Raridon before Whitewater could foul him.  We all know that free throws are sort of an Adventures with Jack experience, and there was a very real chance that had he been fouled, Whitewater would have gotten a second shot at the game-tying three.  Instead, Raridon hit the back end of his two shots to seal the win.

Kiko's observation leads to the answer to Naperick's question. I realize others may have a different view of the situation, but the play occurred only about 5 feet in front of me.

Rory Cotter had been inserted into the game with only 17 seconds remaining when Eric Bryson fouled out.
Given that the stat sheet indicated he had only played 22 minutes all season, it seemed an odd choice. The reasoning among the other fans I was sitting with was that either Coach Miller subbed him in due to his being a senior possibly playing his last game or that he entered the fray to deliver a (hard?) foul. UWW trailed by 3 at the time.
With 6 seconds left, Darnell Harris missed a three attempt to tie. NCC's Jack Burchett tracked down the long rebound just in bounds, free throw line extended left. Cotter charged hard at Burchett who flicked the ball to the nearby Derek Raridon as Kiko advised. The ball was just out of Burchett's hands when Cotter hit Burchett in the chest with both palms. Raridon caught the short pass a fraction of a second before Burchett was hit, and Derek was immediately fouled. However, Burchett took exception to the blow to the chest and said something to Cotter, who then gave Jack another little shove. A stare down resulted, and it was at that point when the principals were separated by other players from both teams.

In defense of Rory, it turns out I was sitting right behind his incredibly nice parents. I found that out when I said out loud "who the heck is this" coming off the bench for the first time in the game - in such a crucial time. His parents explained he is a dead eye three point shooter.  If the first shot hadn't been rushed, I think Rory was the second option to take the shot.
I'm sure the hard foul was nothing more than sadness and frustration mixed together.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

Apparently you missed him being on the show two weeks ago...

No, its just that with another round gone by, and the slant now being the upcoming battle between NCC and IWU, it seems like another "cycle"/discussion has begun. If Rose/IWU is up in the top of the 2nd, it seems Raridon/NCC should get their ups in the bottom of the frame. 

Well... I talked to Coach Rairdon on Match-Up Monday's show... also talked to him at the D3hoops.com Classic... since I had already had Ron Rose on the show once, I thought this even it up tonight .

Win and get to Salem... we will be talking to someone from NCC .

[Titan Q]

I think Klimek and Burnett should have been prohibited from shooting from outside.  That three point attempt was one of several bad decisions down the stretch.

Well you'd hope in game #27 they'd just know what their role is, and what it is not.  In a "season on the line" possession, I just can't imagine, say, Kevin Reed deciding that taking a 3-point shot was in the best interest of the team. 

I've watched Chris Klimek have some huge games this year, but I've also watched him do some things that make me scratch my head - particularly @ Chicago, @ NYU, and last night.  I'm not quite sure what to make of him as a player.

[AndOne]

Dave,

I'm sure you and Coach Raridon can team up to make a great show. 

[Titan Q]

Last night I forgot to mention the crowd -- it was way bigger than I expected (listed at 1711, which sounds legit).  And it was a charged up/electric atmosphere in there.

Wash U partisans will have to check me on this, but I think it's fair to say the gym was 50/50?  That means IWU had somewhere in the neighborhood of 850+ on the road.  What a showing by IWU fans. 

[AndOne]

Last night I forgot to mention the crowd -- it was way bigger than I expected (listed at 1711, which sounds legit).  And it was a charged up/electric atmosphere in there.

Wash U partisans will have to check me on this, but I think it's fair to say the gym was 50/50?  That means IWU had somewhere in the neighborhood of 850+ on the road.  What a showing by IWU fans.

On Tuesday night, the Naperville City Council will vote on, and undoubtedly pass, a new ordinance prohibiting the assembly of any group of persons dressed primarily in green, to no more than 250.        

[AndOne]

ANDONE, any idea what caused the "near fight" in the final seconds of the game last night?  I didn't see it.  Thankfully two officials and teammates from both schools kept it from getting ugly.

I only caught the final seven minutes or so of the game at Benedictine last night.  That the score was still in the 40s with six minutes left was not a surprise.  It didn't seem like any of the points came easily for either team.

- My favorite moment came in the waning seconds.  Whitewater missed a potential game-tying three (which was  shot early in the sequence and probably was not the best look they were going to get), and Jack Burchett (in on defense lest Gamble pick up his fifth) grabbed the board with :06 left.  He had the presence of mind to quickly hot-potato the ball to Derek Raridon before Whitewater could foul him.  We all know that free throws are sort of an Adventures with Jack experience, and there was a very real chance that had he been fouled, Whitewater would have gotten a second shot at the game-tying three.  Instead, Raridon hit the back end of his two shots to seal the win.

Kiko's observation leads to the answer to Naperick's question. I realize others may have a different view of the situation, but the play occurred only about 5 feet in front of me.

Rory Cotter had been inserted into the game with only 17 seconds remaining when Eric Bryson fouled out.
Given that the stat sheet indicated he had only played 22 minutes all season, it seemed an odd choice. The reasoning among the other fans I was sitting with was that either Coach Miller subbed him in due to his being a senior possibly playing his last game or that he entered the fray to deliver a (hard?) foul. UWW trailed by 3 at the time.
With 6 seconds left, Darnell Harris missed a three attempt to tie. NCC's Jack Burchett tracked down the long rebound just in bounds, free throw line extended left. Cotter charged hard at Burchett who flicked the ball to the nearby Derek Raridon as Kiko advised. The ball was just out of Burchett's hands when Cotter hit Burchett in the chest with both palms. Raridon caught the short pass a fraction of a second before Burchett was hit, and Derek was immediately fouled. However, Burchett took exception to the blow to the chest and said something to Cotter, who then gave Jack another little shove. A stare down resulted, and it was at that point when the principals were separated by other players from both teams. 

In defense of Rory, it turns out I was sitting right behind his incredibly nice parents. I found that out when I said out loud "who the heck is this" coming off the bench for the first time in the game - in such a crucial time. His parents explained he is a dead eye three point shooter.  If the first shot hadn't been rushed, I think Rory was the second option to take the shot.
I'm sure the hard foul was nothing more than sadness and frustration mixed together.

I can fully understand that the initial blow delivered with outstretched arms was an attempt to foul Burchett before he could get rid of the ball. The 2nd contact, to which Jack took more exception, very well could have been that mixture of sadness and frustration to which you refer. I didn't mean to imply Mr, Cotter is a dirty player. Heat of the moment thing.

[SevenTen]

I think Klimek and Burnett should have been prohibited from shooting from outside.  That three point attempt was one of several bad decisions down the stretch.

Am I the only one who read this quote and at first thought it was a joke about the IWU student announcers pronouncing North Central players names again?    Who would have though that there was a Burnett and Klimek on WashU and also a Burnett (Jack Burchett) and Klimek (Vince Kmiec) on North Central... but of course the latter pair only plays in the Shirk Center.