MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

[diehardfan]

OK, as of today, here is the skinny as to what is what regarding the seating for the NCC/IWU game Sat. Please note that all seating arrangements have been coordinated with the NCAA after consulting the Playoff Host Handbook.
With regard to "fan friendly" pricing, it is noteworthy that, with a $7.00 charge, the price being charged at NCC for a third round game is the same as what IWU charged for a first round game. 
Besides, as has been highly publicized in the last few days, a large percentage of IWU fans will only be paying the senior rate of $4.00 anyway.  8-)is

Does the $4.00 include a senior coffee?

It'd better. The fan bus contingent needs something to dip those funeral-home doughnuts into.

I had right clicked this, then gone on to read something completely unrelated, then came back to d3boards and was reading this and was like, wait, how did I start reading all the posts from 2012, hahaha.

Since we're pulling up old posts and confusing people, I just found this string of posts on my 1999 iMac.

Wed 4/24/02
Joe Hakes: Mike Schauer might be featured again soon on the d3hoops.com front page. One never knows what twists and turns take place in college basketball.
Wheaton C: Joe Hakes, nice choice! Mike Schauer is a great recruiter, a fine coach, and a class act. But I have two questions for you Joe, Where is Troy Justice headed? Is Wheaton's all time assist leader Matt Nadelhoffer joining Schauer? Matt and his wife were supposed to be in Pa a few weeks ago for an interview with Mike for the top assistant's job. For those if you don't know Matt, he was Don Klaas's top assistant at COD this year. The Chaparrals ended up winning the national JUCO championshp in Albany, NY. Once again, good choice in choosing Sager's buddy Schauer.
Joe Hakes: Sager's buddy? Maybe we better reconsider.

Now THAT is super funny in retrospect.

[NCF]

OK, as of today, here is the skinny as to what is what regarding the seating for the NCC/IWU game Sat. Please note that all seating arrangements have been coordinated with the NCAA after consulting the Playoff Host Handbook.
With regard to "fan friendly" pricing, it is noteworthy that, with a $7.00 charge, the price being charged at NCC for a third round game is the same as what IWU charged for a first round game. 
Besides, as has been highly publicized in the last few days, a large percentage of IWU fans will only be paying the senior rate of $4.00 anyway.  8-)is

Does the $4.00 include a senior coffee?

It'd better. The fan bus contingent needs something to dip those funeral-home doughnuts into.

Hahahaha-

[NCF]

OK, as of today, here is the skinny as to what is what regarding the seating for the NCC/IWU game Sat. Please note that all seating arrangements have been coordinated with the NCAA after consulting the Playoff Host Handbook.
With regard to "fan friendly" pricing, it is noteworthy that, with a $7.00 charge, the price being charged at NCC for a third round game is the same as what IWU charged for a first round game. 
Besides, as has been highly publicized in the last few days, a large percentage of IWU fans will only be paying the senior rate of $4.00 anyway.  8-)is

Does the $4.00 include a senior coffee?

It'd better. The fan bus contingent needs something to dip those funeral-home doughnuts into.

I had right clicked this, then gone on to read something completely unrelated, then came back to d3boards and was reading this and was like, wait, how did I start reading all the posts from 2012, hahaha.

Since we're pulling up old posts and confusing people, I just found this string of posts on my 1999 iMac.

Wed 4/24/02
Joe Hakes: Mike Schauer might be featured again soon on the d3hoops.com front page. One never knows what twists and turns take place in college basketball.
Wheaton C: Joe Hakes, nice choice! Mike Schauer is a great recruiter, a fine coach, and a class act. But I have two questions for you Joe, Where is Troy Justice headed? Is Wheaton's all time assist leader Matt Nadelhoffer joining Schauer? Matt and his wife were supposed to be in Pa a few weeks ago for an interview with Mike for the top assistant's job. For those if you don't know Matt, he was Don Klaas's top assistant at COD this year. The Chaparrals ended up winning the national JUCO championshp in Albany, NY. Once again, good choice in choosing Sager's buddy Schauer.
Joe Hakes: [/b]Sager's buddy? Maybe we better reconsider. Now THAT is super funny in retrospect.

Sager has buddies?  

[bopol]

Point #2---

I hear you loud and and clear with regard to the scheduling of the remaining teams, and agree fully. The chart previously furnished by TQ clearly illustrates the inherent inequity of the 3rd round bracket scheduling. Its very hard to understand how the NCAA can be OK with great teams in the middle of the country beating each other up in the Bracket Of Death yet placing 3 NESCAC teams in different brackets, AND allowing all 3 to play at home. And I know about the 500 mile rule and all the other stuff, but I wish someone could explain where the fairness is in forcing teams like IWU and NCC (Massey #s 2 and 5), both Elite Eight quality teams and possibly Final Four quality teams, to play each other when St Mary's MD (#10) gets to play the Massey #117 team, #23 Wooster gets to play #37, and #18 Middlebury gets #74? I mean this is the D3 National Tournament. Its important!
Just asking with the hopes that asking what seems a legitimate question is not grounds for crucifixion, but might bring an understandable answer as I'm pretty much lost here. Thank you. 

I'm going to blame this 'one game a weekend' format.  The committee showed a lack of willingness to have long travel times, which prevented a normal balance based on national rankings. 

There were 27 teams in the tournament from New England/Eastern NY/Eastern PA/NJ.  These teams can easily travel to each other and the balance was reasonable (as many top teams as bottom).  That's how you end up with the NESCAC dominance; there were enough teams for them to beat.

In the eastern Great Lakes regions (Ohio/KY/Western PA), only 8 teams, the best is Wooster and they aren't that great.  These teams would have normally balanced out the very strong Western Midwest, but that's too far to travel, so Wooster at home in the Sweet 16.

In the eastern South (GA/VA/MD), 7 teams, none particularly great, these guys got fed to the Northeast.

In the Western Midwest, IL/WI/MN/MO, you have 14 teams but some of the top teams in the country.  No one to balance with...bracket of death.

And then the odd balls (3 Texas teams and 2 West Coast).  Well, that's how you end up with MHB at Whitworth in the Sweet 16.

The fact is, if done properly, the teams in Ky and Ohio would have been mixed more with the teams in IL, WI and MN and there would have been more reasonably balance in the brackets and we wouldn't have a IWU/NCC in the Sweet 16.

[Titan Q]

D3hoops.com all-region team...

http://www.d3hoops.com/awards/all-region/2012-13/midwest-men


(Pat, lools like a little typo on Landon Gamble's name.)

[markerickson]

Typo police in addition to pronunciation police?

[Pat Coleman]

Thamks. Appreciate the motice.

[Gregory Sager]

I hear you loud and and clear with regard to the scheduling of the remaining teams, and agree fully. The chart previously furnished by TQ clearly illustrates the inherent inequity of the 3rd round bracket scheduling. Its very hard to understand how the NCAA can be OK with great teams in the middle of the country beating each other up in the Bracket Of Death yet placing 3 NESCAC teams in different brackets, AND allowing all 3 to play at home.

It's not that hard to understand, Mark. I can explain it without even having to resort to words:

$ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $

And I know about the 500 mile rule and all the other stuff, but I wish someone could explain where the fairness is in forcing teams like IWU and NCC (Massey #s 2 and 5), both Elite Eight quality teams and possibly Final Four quality teams, to play each other when St Mary's MD (#10) gets to play the Massey #117 team, #23 Wooster gets to play #37, and #18 Middlebury gets #74?

[Jim Mora voice]

Fairness? Don't talk about fairness! You kiddin' me? Fairness?

[/Jim Mora voice]

The primary consideration of the NCAA when creating any D3 tournament bracket, including this one, is most certainly not fairness. It's this:

I mean this is the D3 National Tournament. Its important!

Not as important as this:

Just asking with the hopes that asking what seems a legitimate question is not grounds for crucifixion, but might bring an understandable answer as I'm pretty much lost here. Thank you. 

It is a legitimate question. And here's the answer: D3 tournaments don't make money for the NCAA. They lose money. The only way that the NCAA can cover the expenses of all of the various D3 tournaments -- travel, lodging, staffing, etc. -- is to use some of the money that the networks pay the NCAA to televise the D1 men's basketball tournament. In other words, our March Madness is funded by the March Madness of the big boys. We get the crumbs from their table. And we are thus held hostage to the old adage that beggars can't be choosers. The NCAA is not going to spend any more money on D3 tournaments than it absolutely has to. Hence, the construction of brackets that are designed, first and foremost, to cut down on flights by keeping everyone within 500 miles of campus wherever possible.

(Also, the desire to keep teams relatively close to home in the tourney for financial reasons is simpatico with the D3 emphasis upon regionality and keeping teams close to home so that student-athletes don't miss class time. But don't kid yourself -- financial austerity is the primary motivating force behind the lopsided tourney brackets.)

Wed 4/24/02
Joe Hakes: Mike Schauer might be featured again soon on the d3hoops.com front page. One never knows what twists and turns take place in college basketball.
Wheaton C: Joe Hakes, nice choice! Mike Schauer is a great recruiter, a fine coach, and a class act. But I have two questions for you Joe, Where is Troy Justice headed? Is Wheaton's all time assist leader Matt Nadelhoffer joining Schauer? Matt and his wife were supposed to be in Pa a few weeks ago for an interview with Mike for the top assistant's job. For those if you don't know Matt, he was Don Klaas's top assistant at COD this year. The Chaparrals ended up winning the national JUCO championshp in Albany, NY. Once again, good choice in choosing Sager's buddy Schauer.
Joe Hakes: Sager's buddy? Maybe we better reconsider.

Now THAT is super funny in retrospect.

That is pretty funny. Thanks for dredging that one up, April.

Sager has buddies?  

I prefer to think of them as minions.

[AndOne]

I understand about the $$$$ now---probably more than I want to. LOL.      

[AndOne]

Daily Herald article on the NCC/IWU game Sat.

http://www.dailyherald.com/article/20130312/sports/703129586/

Wonder what role both schools being on spring break will have as far as crowd activism and vociferousness is concerned? 

[Greenguy]

Sager, if I could give you a +k I would.  The current tournement set-up is crazy!  Totally slanted toward the east coast.  $$$$ over common sense.

[veterancciwfan]

One stat from the Wash. U. media guide for the game on Mar. 9: "Wash. U. has outrebounded 22 of 26 opponents this season and leads NCAA D3 in rebounding margin (12.3)."

IWU won the RB battle in St. Louis. Titan fans are hoping history repeats itself Saturday in Naperville.

[joehakes]

I had to wait until I got to Millikin to hire Matt.  He is doing a tremendous job there resurrecting the program.  Right guy for the job and doing it the right way.  Matt, Mike and Bosko are three of my favorite people in the coaching world, all competing against each other in the same conference.

I would still question anyone who would claim Sager as a buddy, but young Gregory has grown well into his guru status. 

[Mr. Ypsi]

I had to wait until I got to Millikin to hire Matt.  He is doing a tremendous job there resurrecting the program.  Right guy for the job and doing it the right way.  Matt, Mike and Bosko are three of my favorite people in the coaching world, all competing against each other in the same conference.

I would still question anyone who would claim Sager as a buddy, but young Gregory has grown well into his guru status.

There are not many of us left who can (accurately) think 'young Gregory'!   Certainly there are you and Dennis (I miss the banter over who has more chins! ), but otherwise, off the top of my head, I'm straining to recall the age 60+ posters on what will always be 'CCIW Chat' to me.

The AARP solicitations didn't bother me (their membership begins at 50, and their records are sufficiently bad that my then 20-year-old son got a letter from them!), but getting my Medicare card on Monday was a downer!

[joehakes]

Prickle and I are probably the only ones on the board who would remember NPU student Greg leading the crowd chants from his spot in the metal bleachers at the end of the court. That was when the Crackerbox was full of crackers every night. Best atmosphere I have ever been a part of. I have locked GS into that time in what is left of my mind.