MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

From this year's handbook: "Results versus ranked Division III teams as established at the time of selection."

Agreed, I got myself confused on previous year's regionally ranked information... it had to be a regional game for your team for it be a vRRO. I am sorry as I got myself confused there as well.

However, since all games count in Division III now (as long as you play 70% of your games in-region), then all games against a regionally ranked opponent are considered.

[Titan Q]

From this year's handbook: "Results versus ranked Division III teams as established at the time of selection."

Agreed, I got myself confused on previous year's regionally ranked information... it had to be a regional game for your team for it be a vRRO. I am sorry as I got myself confused there as well.

However, since all games count in Division III now (as long as you play 70% of your games in-region), then all games against a regionally ranked opponent are considered.

And this is what bopol was getting at...this is a very significant change (for the better). 

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

Well it is a change they had to make since all games count now in Division III.

Of course, if a team doesn't meet the 70% threshold and didn't get a waiver, only their in-region games will count... but I do not think anyone of significance fits into this scenario.

[bopol]

Well it is a change they had to make since all games count now in Division III.

Of course, if a team doesn't meet the 70% threshold and didn't get a waiver, only their in-region games will count... but I do not think anyone of significance fits into this scenario.

Didn't Hope not get the waiver?  That'd be significant.

[sac]

Well it is a change they had to make since all games count now in Division III.

Of course, if a team doesn't meet the 70% threshold and didn't get a waiver, only their in-region games will count... but I do not think anyone of significance fits into this scenario.

Didn't Hope not get the waiver?  That'd be significant.

Hope is over 70% in-region games. 

[Mr. Ypsi]

sac beat me to it.  Although Hope applied for the waiver, and was denied, it turned out to be a moot point.  They qualified anyway.

[petemcb]

I have watched a lot of Carthage games this year, and from half to half I just never know what I'm going to see from the Red Men.  They are a really hard team to figure out.

It's almost as though they're a character from, oh, I don't know, a Robert Louis Stevenson novella or something.

+k

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

sac beat me to it.  Although Hope applied for the waiver, and was denied, it turned out to be a moot point.  They qualified anyway.

Yeah... they were denied for several reasons, but were able to get an 18th game and thus are fine. Some others didn't get the waivers, but none of them are factors.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

I got clarification... as in years past, there will be no vRRO in the first week. My previous information indicated the national committee would make adjustments with the new data they get (like they do on the last regional rankings), but this is indeed not the case.

[mwunder]

I have watched a lot of Carthage games this year, and from half to half I just never know what I'm going to see from the Red Men.  They are a really hard team to figure out.

It's almost as though they're a character from, oh, I don't know, a Robert Louis Stevenson novella or something.

Made my Monday!  Thanks Greg!

[carthage guy]

carthage lost pool c leverage with the loss to augie.... augie moves ahead of us in region which is a killer.  too bad

[jtsmith231]

Obviously, things are leading toward a Wheaton-IWU finale at King Arena in a couple of weeks for the right to host the tournament. Clearly, things can change with any number of unexpected losses, but it got me reading up on some of the tiebreaker rules, and I wondered if someone could confirm or correct this possible scenario:

Wheaton beats NPU, loses @NCC, beats IWU
IWU beats @NCC, beats Carthage, beats NPU, loses @Wheaton

From what I read, Wheaton would still take the tiebreaker by virtue of sweeping Augie vs. IWU's split with the Vikings. The only tiebreaker info I could find was from 2010 (http://www.cciw.org/sports/2010/6/29/Gen._0629100226.aspx?id=616), and it indicates that when the head-to-head is split, tiebreakers are determined by "Record vs. team or teams in 3rd place. If still tied, go to the next place for determination, et cetera."

So, that's what I came up with... unless Augie were to somehow fall behind NCC in the standings, which seems unlikely, to say the least. What do you think, is this accurate?

[Titan Q]

Obviously, things are leading toward a Wheaton-IWU finale at King Arena in a couple of weeks for the right to host the tournament. Clearly, things can change with any number of unexpected losses, but it got me reading up on some of the tiebreaker rules, and I wondered if someone could confirm or correct this possible scenario:

Wheaton beats NPU, loses @NCC, beats IWU
IWU beats @NCC, beats Carthage, beats NPU, loses @Wheaton

From what I read, Wheaton would still take the tiebreaker by virtue of sweeping Augie vs. IWU's split with the Vikings. The only tiebreaker info I could find was from 2010 (http://www.cciw.org/sports/2010/6/29/Gen._0629100226.aspx?id=616), and it indicates that when the head-to-head is split, tiebreakers are determined by "Record vs. team or teams in 3rd place. If still tied, go to the next place for determination, et cetera."

So, that's what I came up with... unless Augie were to somehow fall behind NCC in the standings, which seems unlikely, to say the least. What do you think, is this accurate?

This is accurate.  Wheaton wins just about every tie-breaker with IWU at this point based on the sweep of Augustana.  The exception, of course, is a tie that involves IWU winning @ King Arena on the final night of the regular season - an IWU sweep over Wheaton would give the tie-breaker to the Titans obviously.

[mwunder]

Obviously, things are leading toward a Wheaton-IWU finale at King Arena in a couple of weeks for the right to host the tournament. Clearly, things can change with any number of unexpected losses, but it got me reading up on some of the tiebreaker rules, and I wondered if someone could confirm or correct this possible scenario:

Wheaton beats NPU, loses @NCC, beats IWU
IWU beats @NCC, beats Carthage, beats NPU, loses @Wheaton

From what I read, Wheaton would still take the tiebreaker by virtue of sweeping Augie vs. IWU's split with the Vikings. The only tiebreaker info I could find was from 2010 (http://www.cciw.org/sports/2010/6/29/Gen._0629100226.aspx?id=616), and it indicates that when the head-to-head is split, tiebreakers are determined by "Record vs. team or teams in 3rd place. If still tied, go to the next place for determination, et cetera."

So, that's what I came up with... unless Augie were to somehow fall behind NCC in the standings, which seems unlikely, to say the least. What do you think, is this accurate?

I believe Carthage is still in 3rd place in the conference at this point in time.  If IWU beats Carthage at home, then both teams would have split with Carthage.  Augie would have to win out and hope for a Carthage loss (the aforementioned IWU game) to tie for third.  In that instance, Carthage is 3rd in the league since they would have split with both teams above them in the standings.  I don't think NCC can sneak into 3rd in the conference at all and probably won't factor into the decision.

[iwu70]

Congrats to Vince Kmiec on CCIW Player of the Week. Some great performances this past week.  (IWU's Colleen McMahon very deservedly won on the women's side). 

Yes, seems hosting the tourney all comes down to WC and IWU winning out and then meeting on the final game of the regular season at King.  A championship game and the home court for the tourney all in one.  Could happen.  Lots of tough tests before then.

I see Point did remain #1 in the new D3hoops poll, as some of you predicted -- but only by a whisker -- 14-11, with many first place votes shifting to Cabrini.  Cabrini seems not to have played last week at all, due to postponements given weather conditions, I assume.  IWU still at #5 with Wash U at #4.  Frankly don't understand that one, given the early season head-to-head.  Whitewater the big winner, rising to #3 on the merits of their win over Point.  Augie dropped out as many of us thought and Wheaton now just outside the top 25 at #27 in the voting.  Not that all this matters all that much. Gotta win games at this time of year, get to 20+ wins and burnish the resume for getting higher at the table for Pool C.  There it is -- it is what it is. 

IWU70