MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

[iwu70]

Congrats to all the All-CCIW honorees.  I don't have a big beef with the selections at all -- all are very deserving.  I had Overstreet over Zman on first team, but not a big deal.  I share Q's sentiments about Victor Davis and am extremely delighted to see Vic on the First Team.  Richly deserved.   I look forward to another monster year next year from Mssr. Overstreet. (and Sodemann and Nelson and Dolan!).  Many breakout potentials on the Titans, including some guys who have been injured or mainly playing JV time. 

I'll think about the officiating issue.  Sure seems the beauty and flow of the game was very infrequently enhanced this year by the new rules and the way most games were called this season.  Wonder if it was any different in other conferences, settings around the country.  I'm sure the league and the coaches will have some conversations about all this and see what they can do to improve the situation.  It's not a very satisfactory situation.

Congrats again to Coach Rose, Coach of the Year two years running.  Great job.  Keep it rolling . . . why not 10 years of 20+ win seasons?

IWU70

[USee]

I think it's a serious conflict of interest to have an official doing a game at which his own offspring attends, let alone plays a sport.  It should have nothing to do with that officials ability to remain objective, it should be a no brainer rule.  You just don't want the appearance of a conflict.  Not sure what the league rules are in this but I am shocked it was allowed to happen. Doesn't matter of ot impacted the game or not, it's a senseless issue to even entertain. 

Congrats to Tyler Peters for his MOP award. I thought he was the best player on the floor in every game he played and deserving of the award. Congrats too to Teuscher and Haynes. Two great players who worked hard to get where they are this season.

[blue_jays]

Big ups to Tyler Peters for his MOP award, totally deserving and All-American honors to come. He is the latest in a line of outstanding performers from Wheaton in recent years, from Kent Raymond to Ben Panner to Tim McCrary to Peters. I'd put that run of players against any team out there in Division III.

[kiko]

I think it's a serious conflict of interest to have an official doing a game at which his own offspring attends, let alone plays a sport.  It should have nothing to do with that officials ability to remain objective, it should be a no brainer rule.  You just don't want the appearance of a conflict.  Not sure what the league rules are in this but I am shocked it was allowed to happen. Doesn't matter of ot impacted the game or not, it's a senseless issue to even entertain. 

Congrats to Tyler Peters for his MOP award. I thought he was the best player on the floor in every game he played and deserving of the award. Congrats too to Teuscher and Haynes. Two great players who worked hard to get where they are this season.

I agree with this.  I have no dog in this fight and couldn't care less if the Wheaties or the Wezzies host the conference tournament.  But the optics on this are really really horrible.  Assuming the CCIW office knew of this conflict, there is absolutely no excuse for enabling this scheduling.

And I'll put some of this on the official as well -- if he was officiating the late game, it would show really poor judgment to be socializing with parents from that school's team during the first game.  Even if his child is on the team.

Did it impact the game?  I have no idea and it doesn't really matter -- that's not the point.  The point is that the appearance of a conflict would be easily avoidable with some basic guardrails in place.

[John Gleich]

I believe the MIAA has a ref whose brother plays on a league teams varsity squad, to my knowledge he did not ref any of his brothers games but did ref a couple of his brothers rivals games.  Refs can actually be quite professional when you aren't looking for a reason to hate them. 

The WIAC had a player (Mike Shaw from UW Platteville) a few years ago whose father (Dave Shaw) was a WIAC ref, and a pretty good one at that.

As far as I know, as soon as his son stepped on the floor in a Platteville jersey, he didn't ref another WIAC game. I'm pretty sure that he attended all of UWP's games from that point on, which makes sense. Not sure if it was his decision (likely) or the league's... but even if he was reffing an opponent's game, it could have an impact on UWP's standings in the league.

He may have simply retired, though... I haven't seen him ref any games or his name on any stat sheets since the early 2000's when I was playing at UWSP.

[havej]

John - unrelated to your last post, but was this the Dave Shaw that played at Carroll?

[AndOne]

ON OFFICIATING

Over the course of the just completed CCIW regular season, quite a number of posters representing several of the teams have both commented on, and questioned the level of officiating within the conference this season. My personal opinion is that it definitely needs improvement. Without blowing my own horn, and just basing my feelings on the comments I've read, I'd say the majority of posters agree.

While nothing can be done about calls that have already been made, I think its important to do all that is possible to insure that the highest possible number of calls are made equitably and correctly. With that objective in mind, here is a rather interesting set of events that occurred in conjunction with the Wheaton-IWU game this past Saturday. PLEASE BE ASSURED THAT IN RELATING THIS INFO, I"M MAKING ABSOLUTELY NO JUDGEMENT WITH REGARD TO ANY OF THE CALLS MADE IN THE GAME. I had no horse in the race, and am just relating an interesting set of circumstances.

It seems that one of the spectators at the Wheaton/IWU women's game that preceded the men's game was one Jim O'Boye. A member of the IWU women's team is Kaitlyn O'Boye who I've come to understand is Mr. O'Boye's daughter. Its understandable that a father would want to watch his daughter's team play. Its also perfectly understandable that not only the same father, but any father would have an affinity for his child's school. However, in the men's Wheaton/IWU game which followed shortly after the completion of women's game, it seems that one of the referees was Jim O'Boye. The same Jim O'Boye that sat with fellow IWU fans in the opening game of the night, the same Jim O'Boye whose daughter is a member of the IWU women's game, and the same Jim O'boye that celebrated IWU's win after the night's first game.

I don't know which of the refs who worked the game was Mr. O'Boye. Furthermore, since I really didn't have a horse in the race and was just there as an interested fan, I didn't pay close enough attention to voice an opinion as to whether any of the refs seemed to make many more calls that favored one team over the other. However, it does seem inappropriate at best that the CCIW would assign a ref who has a daughter on the IWU women's team to work a IWU men's game.   
What does everyone else think?

4) Officiating.  It always has been inconsistent at this level and I think many officials try hard, but I think the new rules made what was already inconsistent officiating seem much more inconsistent this year.  The Carthage-Dubuque game was an officiating trainwreck.  The thing that bugged me was often times the officials seem to 'let them play' only to start calling the game more in line with the new rules after letting everyone slug it out for a half.  The other thing that bugged me was calling handchecks on the floor after the ballhandler was mostly past the defender and had taken an advantage.  I think this needs to be addressed in a way that makes sense (maybe a rating by the coaches or clinics on how to handle new rules better), but I'm not sure what will work best.

I'll think about the officiating issue.  Sure seems the beauty and flow of the game was very infrequently enhanced this year by the new rules and the way most games were called this season.  Wonder if it was any different in other conferences, settings around the country.  I'm sure the league and the coaches will have some conversations about all this and see what they can do to improve the situation.  It's not a very satisfactory situation.

IWU70

I think it's a serious conflict of interest to have an official doing a game at which his own offspring attends, let alone plays a sport.  It should have nothing to do with that officials ability to remain objective, it should be a no brainer rule.  You just don't want the appearance of a conflict.  Not sure what the league rules are in this but I am shocked it was allowed to happen. Doesn't matter of ot impacted the game or not, it's a senseless issue to even entertain. 

I did a little more checking, and through several sources some additional details about this situation have come to light.

It seems that after the women's game a Wheaton staff member observed Mr. O'Boye hugging a young woman in the hallway. Although that staff member had no way of connecting the relationship between the two at the time because he wasn't aware the refs daughter plays on the IWU iwomen's team (she didn't play in the game so she did not really come to the attention of anyone on the Wheaton staff), it turned out the young lady was indeed O'Boye's daughter. Additionally, one of the Wheaton men's team members allegedly shortly thereafter saw O'Boye exchanging greetings (high fives?) with an IWU captain or captains. And, beyond occurring in the hallway, these exchanges may have actually occurred on the court prior to the men's game and may have even included quick hugs, beyond high fives. Some form of physical contact for sure. After the game a couple of Wheaton fans remarked that one of the officials seemed "chummy" with some IWU players before the game, but thought nothing of it at the time.

It also seems that CCIW By-Laws require that officials must notify the assigning supervisor if they have a paying student at any CCIW school.

And yesterday, the assigning official reportedly told Wheaton head coach Mike Schauer that he would have stopped the game from happening if he had confirmation that O'Boye does indeed "have a paying student" at IWU. However, conference officials indicated that as of tipoff time, nobody from Wheaton had definite knowledge of the connection.

Currently, the most recent revelation that has surfaced is that while the relationship wasn't previously known to the Wheaton staff, it was definitely known to the IWU staff. Apparently, Coach Schauer was livid yesterday, seemingly rightfully so, over the fact that the IWU staff had prior knowledge of the situation but that Coach Rose or anyone else from IWU, chose not to say anything about it prior to the game.

As was mentioned in previous posts, the situation appears a serious conflict of interest at best, and a willful disregard for the conference By-Laws at worst.
Questions remain as to whether Mr. O'Boye will face anything like suspension or dismissal from the league or whether Coach Rose or anyone else from IWU will be reprimanded in any way for failing to report the relationship they assuredly knew existed.

* Lastly, I think its important to note that as a spectator at the WC/IWU game, despite the obvious conflict of interest  with one of the refs having a child attending IWU, at no time during the game did I see a preponderance of calls being made that obviously favored IWU. In fact I remember Andrew Ziemnik being erroneously whistled for a foul for coming within two feet of a WC player. IWU played great. They had more players making more significant contributions than did Wheaton. IN NO WAY WAS THE WC LOSS ATTRIBUTABLE TO ANY OFFICIATING FAVORING IWU. As with many CCIW games this year, AS MANY POSTERS HAVE EXPRESSED, there were a number of blown calls both ways that it seemed were pretty evenly distributed between the two teams.

It was interesting and kind of funny to hear an exchange that occurred just a few feet in front of me when Ron Rose complained about a call and the follicly challenged ref retorted with "Just let us work." 

[USee]

Here is who I like for All Conference:

COY: Rose/Schauer(Whomever wins Saturday)
MOP: Tyler Peters (Wheaton)

1st Team:
Malcom Kelly (Carthage)
Vince Kmiec (NCC
Dylan Overstreet (IWU)
Tyler Peters (Wheaton)
Andrew Zeimnik (IWU)

2nd Team:
Victor Davis (IWU)
Landon Gamble (NCC)
Hunter Hill (Augie)
Nathan Haynes (Wheaton)
Brayden Teuscher (Wheaton)

3rd Team
Juwan Henry (NPU)
Deavis Johnon (Millikin)
Tayvian Johnson (Augie)
Nick Sanford (Elmhurst)
Marlon Senior (Carthage)


If Wheaton beats IWU I could see Teuscher and Overstreet switching places and I could see Gamble on the 1st team w Kmiec on the 2nd team as well. That really depends on who Coach Raridon nominates.

Here is my 2014 CCIW All-Conference Team...

1st Team
Tyler Peters (6-4 Sr, PG), Wheaton   20.1 ppg, 4.6 rpg, 3.4 apg   
Victor Davis (6-5 Sr, F), Illinois Wesleyan   11.8 ppg, 7.1 rpg
Dylan Overstreet (6-3 Jr, PG), Illinois Wesleyan   10.1 ppg, 3.9 rpg, 4.1 apg
Malcom Kelly (6-0 Sr, SG), Carthage   20.2 ppg, 4.1 rpg
Landon Gamble (6-6 Sr, C), North Central   15.7 ppg, 5.3 rpg

2nd Team
Andrew Ziemnik (6-5 Sr, F), Illinois Wesleyan   11.9 ppg, 5.8 rpg
Brayden Teuscher (6-3 Jr, SG), Wheaton   16.6 ppg, 2.9 rpg, 2.7 apg
Hunter Hill (5-9 So, PG), Augustana   14.6 ppg, 2.6 rpg, 2.1 apg
Nate Haynes (6-6 Sr, C), Wheaton   10.5 ppg, 9.0 rpg
Vince Kmiec (6-4 Sr, SG), North Central   15.0 ppg, 4.4 rpg, 2.5 apg

3rd Team
Deavis Johnson (6-7 So, F), Millikin   14.9 ppg, 10.0 rpg
Juwan Henry (5-10 Fr, SG), North Park   19.8 ppg, 2.8 rpg, 2.5 apg
Jordan Nelson (6-1 Jr, SG), Illinois Wesleyan   11.8 ppg
Nick Sanford (6-5 Sr, F), Elmhurst  11.6 ppg, 8.0 rpg
Marlon Senior (6-5 Sr, F), Carthage   13.6 ppg, 6.2 rpg


* Fred Young Most Outstanding Player - Tyler Peters, Wheaton

* Coach of the Year - Ron Rose, Illinois Wesleyan

* Freshman of the Year - Juwan Henry, North Park

Not that I want to brag but I did beat Q's predictions for All conference! I got 15 out of 15 correct and he got 14 out of 15. I was 3-5 on 1st and 2nd team and 4-5 on the third team. Q went 4-5,3-5,3-5. Not bad for a football guy!

[iwumichigander]

Week 3 Regional Rankings are out
Midwest - NCAA data sheet Through games of Sunday, Feb. 23.
1   Washington U.   22-2   22-2
2   Illinois Wesleyan   22-3   22-3
3   Wheaton (Ill.)   17-8   17-8
4   Augustana   19-6   19-6
5   St. Norbert   21-1   22-1
6   Carthage   15-8   16-9
7   Rose-Hulman   20-5   20-5
8   Chicago   14-9   15-9

UChgo getting ranked appears at first glance to help vRRO - WashU, IWU, WC and Augustana.  And if these eight survive in the final rankings, the resumes from the Midwest region seem to have improved when the Pool C discussions take place. I have not had the time to dive into the NCAA Data sheets nor compare Midwest to other regions.

[huckleberry]

Thot I had to share this one...

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/02/26/video-of-basketball-games-conclusion-is-the-worst-ending-to-a-basketball-gameever/

[John Gleich]

John - unrelated to your last post, but was this the Dave Shaw that played at Carroll?

I wasn't sure, but this proves it:



They are the same Dave Shaw.

[havej]

Thanks John - the guy scored a ton for the Pioneers

[sac]

Thot I had to share this one...

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/02/26/video-of-basketball-games-conclusion-is-the-worst-ending-to-a-basketball-gameever/

The key is the third official on the grassy knoll.

[iwu70]

Congrats Usee.  You the man!  Q did pretty well too.  Only I was silly enough to suggest Mike Mayberger.     Jordan Nelson will have to wait.  Mayberger graduates.  When I saw Tayvian Johnson play in the Shirk in a high school All-Star game I said he had the potential to become an All-CCIW player, and it has happened, Third Team this year.  Congrats to all the All-CCIW honorees. 

A great tournament upcoming at The Shirk. Wish I could be there.  Let's hope "home court" is all it's cracked up to be this weekend.

AndOne, you better get on down there and be sure to interview every single official, score-keeper and time-keeper to be sure none has a student, none is paying tuition at any of the competing schools! 

My prediction:   IWU over CC, Augie over WC, then IWU over Augie for the AQ.  WC and AC get bids, Carthage stays home.  IMHO.  Of course, I hope Q is right with his usually correct, annual calculations and the CCIW gets four teams in.  That would be grand.

A great, safe basketball-filled weekend to all.

IWU70

[toooldtohoop]

ON OFFICIATING

Over the course of the just completed CCIW regular season, quite a number of posters representing several of the teams have both commented on, and questioned the level of officiating within the conference this season. My personal opinion is that it definitely needs improvement. Without blowing my own horn, and just basing my feelings on the comments I've read, I'd say the majority of posters agree.

While nothing can be done about calls that have already been made, I think its important to do all that is possible to insure that the highest possible number of calls are made equitably and correctly. With that objective in mind, here is a rather interesting set of events that occurred in conjunction with the Wheaton-IWU game this past Saturday. PLEASE BE ASSURED THAT IN RELATING THIS INFO, I"M MAKING ABSOLUTELY NO JUDGEMENT WITH REGARD TO ANY OF THE CALLS MADE IN THE GAME. I had no horse in the race, and am just relating an interesting set of circumstances.

It seems that one of the spectators at the Wheaton/IWU women's game that preceded the men's game was one Jim O'Boye. A member of the IWU women's team is Kaitlyn O'Boye who I've come to understand is Mr. O'Boye's daughter. Its understandable that a father would want to watch his daughter's team play. Its also perfectly understandable that not only the same father, but any father would have an affinity for his child's school. However, in the men's Wheaton/IWU game which followed shortly after the completion of women's game, it seems that one of the referees was Jim O'Boye. The same Jim O'Boye that sat with fellow IWU fans in the opening game of the night, the same Jim O'Boye whose daughter is a member of the IWU women's game, and the same Jim O'boye that celebrated IWU's win after the night's first game.

I don't know which of the refs who worked the game was Mr. O'Boye. Furthermore, since I really didn't have a horse in the race and was just there as an interested fan, I didn't pay close enough attention to voice an opinion as to whether any of the refs seemed to make many more calls that favored one team over the other. However, it does seem inappropriate at best that the CCIW would assign a ref who has a daughter on the IWU women's team to work a IWU men's game.   
What does everyone else think?

4) Officiating.  It always has been inconsistent at this level and I think many officials try hard, but I think the new rules made what was already inconsistent officiating seem much more inconsistent this year.  The Carthage-Dubuque game was an officiating trainwreck.  The thing that bugged me was often times the officials seem to 'let them play' only to start calling the game more in line with the new rules after letting everyone slug it out for a half.  The other thing that bugged me was calling handchecks on the floor after the ballhandler was mostly past the defender and had taken an advantage.  I think this needs to be addressed in a way that makes sense (maybe a rating by the coaches or clinics on how to handle new rules better), but I'm not sure what will work best.

I'll think about the officiating issue.  Sure seems the beauty and flow of the game was very infrequently enhanced this year by the new rules and the way most games were called this season.  Wonder if it was any different in other conferences, settings around the country.  I'm sure the league and the coaches will have some conversations about all this and see what they can do to improve the situation.  It's not a very satisfactory situation.

IWU70

I think it's a serious conflict of interest to have an official doing a game at which his own offspring attends, let alone plays a sport.  It should have nothing to do with that officials ability to remain objective, it should be a no brainer rule.  You just don't want the appearance of a conflict.  Not sure what the league rules are in this but I am shocked it was allowed to happen. Doesn't matter of ot impacted the game or not, it's a senseless issue to even entertain. 

I did a little more checking, and through several sources some additional details about this situation have come to light.

It seems that after the women's game a Wheaton staff member observed Mr. O'Boye hugging a young woman in the hallway. Although that staff member had no way of connecting the relationship between the two at the time because he wasn't aware the refs daughter plays on the IWU iwomen's team (she didn't play in the game so she did not really come to the attention of anyone on the Wheaton staff), it turned out the young lady was indeed O'Boye's daughter. Additionally, one of the Wheaton men's team members allegedly shortly thereafter saw O'Boye exchanging greetings (high fives?) with an IWU captain or captains. And, beyond occurring in the hallway, these exchanges may have actually occurred on the court prior to the men's game and may have even included quick hugs, beyond high fives. Some form of physical contact for sure. After the game a couple of Wheaton fans remarked that one of the officials seemed "chummy" with some IWU players before the game, but thought nothing of it at the time.

It also seems that CCIW By-Laws require that officials must notify the assigning supervisor if they have a paying student at any CCIW school.

And yesterday, the assigning official reportedly told Wheaton head coach Mike Schauer that he would have stopped the game from happening if he had confirmation that O'Boye does indeed "have a paying student" at IWU. However, conference officials indicated that as of tipoff time, nobody from Wheaton had definite knowledge of the connection.

Currently, the most recent revelation that has surfaced is that while the relationship wasn't previously known to the Wheaton staff, it was definitely known to the IWU staff. Apparently, Coach Schauer was livid yesterday, seemingly rightfully so, over the fact that the IWU staff had prior knowledge of the situation but that Coach Rose or anyone else from IWU, chose not to say anything about it prior to the game.

As was mentioned in previous posts, the situation appears a serious conflict of interest at best, and a willful disregard for the conference By-Laws at worst.
Questions remain as to whether Mr. O'Boye will face anything like suspension or dismissal from the league or whether Coach Rose or anyone else from IWU will be reprimanded in any way for failing to report the relationship they assuredly knew existed.

* Lastly, I think its important to note that as a spectator at the WC/IWU game, despite the obvious conflict of interest  with one of the refs having a child attending IWU, at no time during the game did I see a preponderance of calls being made that obviously favored IWU. In fact I remember Andrew Ziemnik being erroneously whistled for a foul for coming within two feet of a WC player. IWU played great. They had more players making more significant contributions than did Wheaton. IN NO WAY WAS THE WC LOSS ATTRIBUTABLE TO ANY OFFICIATING FAVORING IWU. As with many CCIW games this year, AS MANY POSTERS HAVE EXPRESSED, there were a number of blown calls both ways that it seemed were pretty evenly distributed between the two teams.

It was interesting and kind of funny to hear an exchange that occurred just a few feet in front of me when Ron Rose complained about a call and the follicly challenged ref retorted with "Just let us work." 

WOW!